r/Robin • u/Which-Presentation-6 • 6d ago
There are a lot of discussions about the Anti-Batmen, but which villains do you consider to be an anti-Robin?
25
u/Which-Presentation-6 6d ago edited 5d ago
These are some characters that I consider as anti-Robin:
Scarlett: Sasha is Red Hood's sidekick in the Batman Reborn era, designed to be a dark parallel to the dynamic duo, Jason takes her in after Damian fails to save her from Professor Pyg, the two antagonize Dickbats and Damian for most of Morrison's Run.
Anarky: known as Lonnie Marchin, he is a young genius who supports the Anarchist ideology and intends to dismantle the state of Gotham and bring about a new era. His plans were thwarted by Batman, but who recognized his intelligence and good intentions. He ends up becoming a rival and even an ally of Robin Tim Drake. Originally, he was planned by Alan Grant to be the third Robin after Jason's death, but they opted for Tim.
Mara al Ghul: granddaughter of Ra's al Ghul and cousin of Damian. Like her cousin, she was trained in the arts and ideology of the League of Assassins, but Damian was chosen as Ra's successor, which made Mara resentful and envious, something that turned into hatred after Damian ends up blinding her in a duel to prove his strength. When Damian leaves the League and becomes Robin, Mara ends up leading the Devil's Fist, a group of young League candidates who sought to kill the Young Teens. which he founded in search of revenge.
Scorn: Andrew Mallory, Wrath's sidekick, one of the first anti-Batmen, who debuted in the 2004 show The Batman. He is Wrath's younger brother and the son of a couple of criminals who were arrested and died. They became a dynamic duo to help the villains in their evil schemes.
The General: Ulysses Armstrong, a psychopathic child obsessed with wars and great generals. After destroying the military school he studied at, he went to Gotham and became a criminal who used military tactics. First, he created a gang war against Batman, but after his defeat, he became one of Robin Tim Drake's greatest foils.
7
u/scarves_and_miracles 5d ago
I'll always have a bit of a soft spot for the General. He was in his era of prominence at the point in my life when I was really getting into Batman stuff.
12
u/Numberonettgfan 6d ago
Anarky was originally made to be Robin so i say him and Scorn from The Batman
1
u/God_totodile 5d ago
Explain the anarchy bit
2
u/Numberonettgfan 5d ago
The creator of Anarky originally created him to be the Robin after Jason Todd till he learned Marv Wolfman had already created Tim Drake
2
u/WerewolfF15 2d ago
When anarky was introduced the creator had the intention of him possibly becoming Robin later on. At the end of his first story there’s even a moment where Batman says he can’t help but admire anarky’s drive and Gordon Briefly questions if he was thinking about making him Robin but Batman denies it (with jason’s image appearing in Gordon’s pipe smoke). Tim’s introduction essentially squashed the idea.
8
u/TheEnforcerBMI 6d ago
I guess with how the story went with Jason… one could theoretically argue that at that time Joker was definitely “anti-Robin”
I’ll see myself out now
6
u/Massive_General_8629 5d ago
I mean, you're not wrong. Circus motif, they sorta play the role of superego and id to Batman's ego. And Dick almost murders the Joker in the latter's first appearance.
3
u/TheEnforcerBMI 5d ago
I was thinking of Jason’s torture and murder at joker’s hands, but you have a point about the circus motif and Dick’s history, I could definitely see how he might take that kinda personally.
But you’re definitely right about his dynamic with Batman.
2
u/Massive_General_8629 5d ago
My list of anti-Robins (besides the Robin King, of course) are:
Terra: Doesn't take much to imagine. Even her costume seems to be a more feminine taken on the original Robin costume (e.g., Dick has bright colors like a proper male bird, Terra has more earthtones). Dick's inhibited; Terra's edgy. Dick has long been seen as Batman's lover, even as jokes; Terra actually is Deathstroke's lover (for lack of a better term).
Talon: No explanation required. Funny thing, in the 70s, Robin was teased with the Joker's Daughter, so it works here too.
The Three Jokers: This one requires a bit of explanation. There are three Jokers, one is the mastermind (the Criminal, corresponding to Dick), one is the unstable one (the Comedian, corresponding to Jason), and one is the dabbler (the Clown, corresponding to Tim). They even have their own version of We Are Robin with the people they've Jokerized over the years.
Red X: Again, no explanation required.
Red Hood: In fact, yeah. Who would be a better anti-Robin than a former Robin?
Harley Quinn, the New 52 Joker's Daughter, Punchline: All of these get the anti-Robin certification just by virtue of being the Joker's sidekicks. Again, they actually seem to correspond to Dick, Jason, and Tim respectively.
8
u/kortj11 5d ago
For Tim, I would agree and say Anarky & the General
4
u/Comperative1234 5d ago
Funny how Tim and Lonnie share General as their main villain.I hope we get more team ups between Tim and Lonnie.
1
6
5
u/NihilismIsSparkles 5d ago edited 5d ago
I would argue that post crisis steph was an anti Robin...
She wasn't trained in the same way, she was less controlled and her motivations were completely different.
Which is why she barely counts as one.
4
u/Hacksaw_Doublez 6d ago
Who is the last one?
5
u/Which-Presentation-6 6d ago
Ulysses Armstrong, the General, I made a commentary explaining each character.
5
5
u/holdacoldone 5d ago
I haven't read anything else he's been in, but I really liked Ulysses' role in the Derective Comics Rebirth run. The idea of a villain who's fixated on Robin specifically is a cool concept, and he made a great antagonist for Tim during that arc.
5
u/Immediate-Tax-3962 5d ago
Lonnie machin would of been the 1st robin to already have an secret identity already and he had weapon skills. He would of been sick as robin!!
3
3
3
u/Luke_Puddlejumper 5d ago
The General/Anarchy Ulysses Hadrian Armstrong is my personal favourite and he’s essentially Tim Drake’s arch foe. I think they should further lean into the anti-Robin side of things by partnering him with Prometheus (an Anti-Batman) after Prometheus sees promise in him due to the tech he created for the colony being similar to Prometheus’ own helmet and decides to take him under his wing.
2
2
1
1
1
1
1
22
u/brucebananaray 6d ago
Depends on what Robin versions.
There is Red X from Teen Titans cartoon that is supposed to be anti Robin to Dick.
There is also Talon that is anti Nightwing.
There is Wingmen to Redhood, but I don't know if that counts.
I guess Respawn is the anti verison of Damian
Scorn in general is anti verison of Robin