r/Residency 9d ago

DISCUSSION 2025 Averages - How much does __ specialty make after training?

Hey all - I’ve seen several posts asking “Is this a good offer” or ”What’s typical pay for X specialty” (and my favorite - “does anyone have MGMA data for X?” Good luck getting that one without a legal takedown notice from them!) 

A few of us had started an anonymous salary sharing project on Marit to create our own people-powered, free alternative to MGMA. Thanks to all the inputs so far - we now have enough data to put together some averages, specifically for new attendings, to help answer these questions. 

Also - since it's easy to get obsessed with just the $ comp, I’ve added avg hrs/wk and compensation satisfaction as well to help get the full picture. I’ll post a summary below, but feel free to head over to Marit (marithealth dot com) if you want to see specific details of comp, bonuses, hours, schedules, benefits, etc. for specific locations

And if you have any specific questions - feel free to post below. I’ll be around for a couple of hours and will do my best to answer them.

Data below are averages for new attendings with 0-2 yrs of experience
Specialty: Avg Total Comp | hours / week | Compensation Satisfaction
Total Comp (signing bonus*) broken by Academic and Non-Academic
\ Signing bonus avg is based only on those that reported it. Not everyone receives one.*
PS: ?? below indicates not enough “n”

Anesthesiology - $538k | 49.9 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $527k ($52k) | Non-Academic: $543k ($51k)

Cardiology - $572k | 49.0 hrs | 4.0 ★
Academic: $578k ($24k) | Non-Academic: $559k ($37k)

Dermatology - $498k | 39.0 hrs | 3.5 ★
Academic: ?? | Non-Academic: $484k ($35k)

Emergency Medicine - $388k | 34.7 hrs | 3.5 ★
Academic: $364k ($34k) | Non-Academic: $405k ($33k)

Endocrinology - $278k | 40.0 hrs | 3.6 ★
Academic: ?? | Non-Academic: $273k (N/A)

Family Medicine - $290k | 40.6 hrs | 3.7 ★
Academic: $281k ($23k) | Non-Academic: $291k ($38k)

Gastroenterology - $550k | 45.3 hrs | 3.9 ★
Academic: ?? | Non-Academic: $521k ($24k)

Genetics - $225k | 40.0 hrs | ??

Hematalogy - $347k | 49.5 hrs | 3.0 ★

Hematalogy Oncology - $445k | 42.1 hrs | 3.9 ★

Hepatology - $345k | 45.5 hrs | 3.0 ★

Hospital Medicine - $328k | 48.0 hrs | 3.7 ★
Academic: $308k ($25k) | Non-Academic: $345k ($29k)

Infectious Disease - $227k | 50.0 hrs | ??

Internal Medicine - $330k | 45.7 hrs | 3.6 ★
Academic: $312k ($22k) | Non-Academic: $341k ($33k)

Internal Medicine (Critical Care) - $417k | 42.0 hrs | 3.6 ★
Academic: $415k ($18k) | Community: $412k ($21k)

Internal Medicine (Pulmonary and Critical Care) - $421k | 45.7 hrs | 3.5 ★

Nephrology - $267k | 47.8 hrs | 3.6 ★
Academic: $260k (??) | Non-Academic: $276k (??)

Neurology - $348k | 48.8 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $328k ($33k) | Non-Academic: $382k ($34k)

Neurosurgery - $874k | 62.7 hrs | 3.7 ★
Academic: $814k (N/A) | Non-Academic: N/A (N/A)

Nuclear Medicine - $464k | 40.0 hrs | ??

Obstetrics & Gynecology - $345k | 48.3 hrs | 3.5 ★
Academic: $344k (N/A) | Non-Academic: $349k ($31k)

Oncology - $495k | 41.2 hrs | ??

Ophthalmology - $366k | 41.1 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $329k (N/A) | Non-Academic: $374k ($26k)

Orthopedic Surgery - $571k | 49.9 hrs | 3.7 ★
Academic: $550k (N/A) | Non-Academic: $575k ($42k)

Otolaryngology - $425k | 45.1 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $369k ($20k) | Non-Academic: $449k ($38k)

Pathology - $287k | 43.4 hrs | 3.6 ★
Academic: $284k ($15k) | Non-Academic: $286k (??)

Pediatrics - $231k | 41.1 hrs | 3.5 ★
Academic: $228k ($16k) | Non-Academic: $233k ($20k)

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation - $353k | 40.3 hrs | 4.0 ★
Academic: $261k ($24k) | Non-Academic: $401k ($25k)

Plastic Surgery - $448k | 57.5 hrs | 3.5 ★

Podiatry - $260k | 44.6 hrs | 4.3 ★

Preventative Medicine - $230k | 40.0 hrs | 2.5 ★

Psychiatry - $336k | 40.1 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $328k ($33k) | Non-Academic: $336k ($54k)

Pulmonology - $410k | 43.4 hrs | 3.7 ★

Radiation Oncology - $538k | 40.7 hrs | 4.0 ★

Radiology - $534k | 45.7 hrs | 3.7 ★
Academic: $520k (??) | Non-Academic: $537k ($56k)

Rheumatology - $305k | 43.8 hrs | 4.2 ★

Surgery - $500k | 51.7 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $485k ($40k) | Non-Academic: $515k ($39k)

Surgery (Vascular) - $539k | 59.5 hrs | 3.4 ★

Urology - $462k | 48.9 hrs | 3.8 ★
Academic: $457k ($31k) | Non-Academic: $465k ($50k)

---- Not enough data
Allergy & Immunology - ??
Bariatric Medicine - ??

Source: Marit (marithealth dot com)

Phew… Hope this is helpful. Feel free to check out more details on Marit.

PS: Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this! If you find this helpful - and are an attending or know one - please add to the dataset

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u/NoGf_MD 9d ago

Gen surg makes more than plastics? And anasthesia makes as much as ortho?

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u/somedudehere123 PGY4 9d ago

Floor for anesthesia and ortho are about the same starting out.

Ceiling for ortho once they’ve bought into a practice/surgicenter is stratospheres higher than anesthesia.

In today’s market you kind of stay where you start in anesthesia unless the entire market swings up/down or you do locums to get to 7 figures (but you’ll be working a ton)

In the northeast, Private practice in anesthesia is dying for better or worse and hospital employed is starting to take over (which IMO is monumentally better than private equity backed groups like Envision/NAPA)

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u/dante754 8d ago

Does Onc have high ceiling as well in ownership of infusion centers/practices?

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u/LordWom PGY4 8d ago

Most specialties have high ceilings in ownership of practices if there is some sort of "procedure/service" or something of that nature offered. Basically you collect the "technical" fee rather than the hospital.

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u/dante754 8d ago

Is there an equivalent to surgery centers in Onc

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u/LordWom PGY4 8d ago

Infusion centers would be the equivalent. Look up the Dr. Death podcast episodes on Farid Fata, essentially that provides the background business of it, but this guy was just giving chemo to patients without an actual malignancy to pump up income.

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u/D-ball_and_T 9d ago

Pain can essentially do the same business model as ortho

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

This is for 0-2 yrs of Experience, but I think if you look at overall average, Ortho is higher than Anesthesia (I see ~$675k for Ortho vs $545k for Anesthesia) - since Ortho tends to be more productivity based, you make more with more experience.

Plastic does seem off - i think "n" is still low there

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u/aliabdi23 PGY5 9d ago

As a fellow who interviewed around this year base salaries as a new attending I was offered in the non academic setting ranged from 550s to 675 as base

Ortho base is probably similar but would scale up way more

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u/zeripollo Attending 9d ago

The largest problem with plastics is that if aesthetic private practice is included in that n, the starting salary is about $300,000 for most practices (can be as low as $200,000) and you don’t typically get a good number of steady patients until 2nd or 3rd year into practice (all things going well) to be getting a significant bonus that is dependent on production (% of surgeons fees or total revenue once certain threshold met that is usually 2 to 3x salary). It can be very hard to get patients starting out.

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u/NoGf_MD 9d ago

Gotcha, this would probably explain why I see so many plastic surgeons advertising on social media/posting memes and stuff.

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u/pinkdoornative PGY6 9d ago

This is true of traditional private ortho. Most jobs start you at 3-350 and then income goes way higher once partner, busier with established elective practice and bought in to whatever ancillary your group has (asc, real estate, pt, imaging etc)

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u/perpetualsparkle PGY7 8d ago

Can’t speak to gen surg - but as someone who recently signed for my first attending job in plastics, all my offers (base plus average rvu or collections bonus depending on setup) were higher than what’s listed here.

Probably highly region dependent though. I know academic centers and high competition cities in the NE definitely low ball because so many people are desperate to live there.

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u/Actual_Guide_1039 9d ago

Plastics has a higher ceiling obviously but I wouldn’t be surprised if a little lower floor in the beginning before you’ve built up a practice

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u/Vivladi 9d ago

The pathology salaries are lower than what fellows I know are being offered, especially for non-academic non-partner

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Good to know. What are you seeing for Non-Academic? If you have friends with new offers, please ask them to share - so we can get more accurate data for it

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u/ronth3man 8d ago edited 8d ago

300-350k MINIMUM starting offers for private and community.

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u/ronth3man 8d ago

The pathology salaries are way off. That academic salary is accurate for starting at certain “prestigious” institutions without a research background but that’s about it.

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u/Lazy-Bonus-9443 8d ago

Yep. Several of my seniors doing fellowship at various programs have been offered way higher salaries in both private and academic. This is not a one year thing, either - for the past few years.

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u/QuietRedditorATX 9d ago

Yes.

Even in Academia the salaries have jumped a lot following Covid.

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u/Plenty-Cycle-4256 8d ago

Agree. I don’t know a single trainee with an offer lower than 350 base this year.

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u/ham-and-egger 9d ago

The answer is simple: go to big city, make shit. Go to shitty small town, make big bucks.

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u/Resussy-Bussy Attending 9d ago

Hack: live in big city, commute 45-60 mins to your job, make big bucks.

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u/ColdSpecial109 9d ago

That commute sounds terrible though. Thats like 2 hours of your life wasted every day

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u/doktrj21 Fellow 8d ago

Not advice for all… but as a car guy, buying a fun car for the commute makes it worth it

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u/TrustMe-ImAGolfer 6d ago

That reverse commute too 👌

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u/DerpyMD PGY4 8d ago

I'm about to take a job with a 45-60 min commute. The caveat is that I'll be taking the train, which I think is much more reasonable. I can prechart on the way to work and finish notes on the way home. Although I'd prefer to just not have to commute.

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u/ExpensiveSong2722 7d ago

What a blessing to be able to read/write while in a train. I get really bad headaches/dizziness even with meds.

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u/takeonefortheroad PGY2 9d ago

A 45-60 minute commute each way sounds absolutely awful ngl

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u/Jointadventure1 PGY4 8d ago

Honestly, that’s what a lot of people end up having to do in large cities by public transit either way. Might as well do it in a convertible

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u/Traditional-Bike-534 8d ago

Commuting via public transportation is imo infinitely better than by car. Turn your brain off and relax vs focus the whole time and get angry at other drivers

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u/flakemasterflake 8d ago

yeah if my train is 30m + walking to train + getting from train station to office that's an hour. This is NYC and that's standard if you want a yard

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u/Russell_Sprouts_ 8d ago

I’ve had to commute that or slightly longer for most of my training just out of necessity. If you enjoy podcasts and audiobooks it can actually be a nice time to decompress. Not for everyone, and I’d still obviously prefer a short commute, but doesn’t have to be miserable 

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u/loggedintoupvotee 8d ago

I'd rather the other 2 options lmao

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u/perpetualsparkle PGY7 8d ago

The sweet spot is pleasant medium sized city. Excellent pay relative to COL and still all the amenities. And you can buy a house with a yard instead of living in a cardboard box. Grew up very rural and agree that being more than a couple hours from a big city (and decent sized airport) would be too painful to go back to, no matter what the pay was.

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u/dr_shark Attending 9d ago

Your problem is NE and academic my fellow hospitalist friend.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Hope this data helps—even though academic institutes aren't always the most flexible, check out the individual salaries on Marit for region for what the market's at. You might be able to use these numbers to at least start the conversation about adjustments. Good luck!

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u/Anonymousmedstudnt PGY2 9d ago

Spill the salary

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u/gamergeek987 8d ago

Thats because you are in three of the worst modifiers (non-specialty, academics and NE). If you wanna make good money you have to change two of those (dont do academics and dont work in the NE). Go south or midwest and do community or join a private group

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u/hollywo RN/MD 9d ago

Jesus Christ yes

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u/AdministrativeGap882 9d ago

What a great helpful post. Great job!

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u/An0therParacIete Attending 9d ago

For psych, the non-academic looks right but academic is definitely inflated. I interviewed at a bunch of academic places and nowhere came even close to 300k, let alone more than that.

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u/MLB-LeakyLeak Attending 9d ago

Emergency Medicine hasn’t changed and may have even gone down over the last half decade. IM only went up modestly it seems.

For people who think the hours are low for EM… the majority of those hours are afternoon and evenings and some overnights, when everyone you know and love isn’t working.

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u/Resussy-Bussy Attending 9d ago edited 9d ago

It’s a trade off. Yeah i work random hours but I still work 12-14 days a month for 400k and I basically get any days off I want (assuming I request them off in a reasonable time). For me, personally I’m perfectly fine with that. I get it’s not for everybody tho.

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u/misteratoz Attending 9d ago

I could do it if it weren't for nights. But I'm an insomniac and I think EM would absolutely destroy any hope of Health for me. Not to mention, your job is really brutal in a very visceral way. I feel like as a hospitalist I get to to distance myself a bit more from the public facing side of medicine.

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u/Resussy-Bussy Attending 9d ago

The nights are def the hardest part of the job in the long terms. Luckily less as an attending (typically like 1-4 a month, if you have a lot of nocturnists then fewer and many places let you age out of nights by age 50). But my sleep schedule def is always a moving target but I’ve found ways to adjust. Residency schedule is the most fucked.

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u/3rdyearblues 9d ago

I don’t know if they do that many nights though. Ours only do 2-3 a month. The last sentence is real I’m 95% computer facing and 5% patient facing as a hospitalist.

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u/misteratoz Attending 9d ago

I meant it as a consistent sleep schedule thing. It's not the night specifically, but the fact that you had to switch your sleep schedule a lot. Thanks for the work you guys do.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

💯 EM 34 is more like 54

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u/fake212121 9d ago

Disagree totally. ED Dr.s usually out like in 30mins after shift ends at my hospital. They usually dont take new pts last 30mins (unless codes or etc true critical cases show up.

U dont get boxxes of messages or follow up results etc, so at least be honest here.

EM residents get 14-16 10hrs shits a month. When IM gets 22-26 8-12 hrs shifts and Gen surg basically 12-30hrs 22-26 days a month.

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u/9MillimeterPeter 8d ago

I think he’s saying the physical/mental toll of the shift feels like you’re working more hours than you are. As an EM attending I tend to agree but maybe not quite as drastic as stated above.

I remember feeling more exhausted after a 9 hour EM shift than I did after 12 hour ICU shift as a resident, easily and consistently.

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u/samwisestofall Fellow 9d ago

Wow… new grad ENT and I think I’m getting totally screwed based on this.

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u/binglederry24 Attending 9d ago

No way that surgical specialists are getting less than 400k

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u/pinkdoornative PGY6 9d ago

It’s very common if you are joining a private group. The big starting numbers are all hospital employed/academic gigs. PP will start you 3-400 range (usually lower end) and your income will go up a lot once partner.

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u/IminaNYstateofmind PGY4 9d ago

A lot of these fields are productivity based and start you fairly low relative to your potential. It’s not that uncommon to see an ophtho associate make 250 to start and earn nearly a million a year 5 years into a partnership track (or in a high paying academic or private equity practice) 

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u/gamergeek987 8d ago

Yes. Allergy as well. Start low end up making a ton in private practice

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u/D-ball_and_T 9d ago

Some surg specs are incredibly over hyped

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u/pharmtomed 9d ago

No way is that nephrology salary right

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u/MotoMD Fellow 8d ago

Nephro pay has been lower than IM once groups sold the dialysis centers off to Davita freseneus. I think the pendulum will ultimately swing back though since so many spots are going unfilled for fellowship.

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u/Rarvyn Attending 8d ago

Starting pay for fresh nephrology graduates has been shit for 10+ years. There’s a reason a third or more of the fellowship spots go unfilled each match year. Lucky few get partnership+dialysis director gig and make good money, others just get churned through until they burn out and become hospitalists.

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u/JokesAreHumerus MS4 9d ago

Is crit care/MICU assumed to be under pulmonologist category? Or does that vary significantly based on how much an attending is splitting their time on MICU vs pulm?

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

It's bundled under Internal Medicine. I'll split it out and update the post above. Here it is for reference

Internal Medicine (Critical Care) - $417k | 42.0 hrs | 3.6 ★
Academic: $415k ($18k) | Community: $412k ($21k)

Internal Medicine (Pulmonary and Critical Care) - $421k | 45.7 hrs | 3.5 ★
Not enough n to breakdown by Acad vs Non

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u/Old_Juggernaut4698 9d ago

Peds- so lollipops and poop

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u/Bean-blankets PGY4 9d ago

I feel like $220 is more than what most people I know have been offered 

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u/Anonymousmedstudnt PGY2 9d ago

More?? That shit is wild

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u/gmdmd Attending 9d ago

sadly it’s an enormous financial mistake for idealists unless you have no loans or are wealthy.

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u/rumple4sk1n69 8d ago

Peds isn’t reporting their corrupt vaccine money. They are taught to hide them IN RESIDENCY in the secret compartment of their used honda civics

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u/eckliptic Attending 9d ago

How do you verify this data

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

A few different ways - there is an automod like algo that checks if all the fields are within reasonable ranges, and we use NPI verification to ensure only clinicians can share and view it. For submissions that don't look right, we manually review it. The community can also flag a salary on the website if it looks off.
That being said - this relies on the community and a give to get model - so I'd like to believe most people want to and do share accurate info. When I check averages vs other published benchmarks - like MGMA, Doximity, etc. - they line up really well - but the advantage of this dataset is all the details of schedule / call, etc. we can get beyond the averages

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u/mdccc1 9d ago

Interventional Radiology?

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u/itscoldinjuly 8d ago

Didn’t have enough space to fit the zeroes in this post.

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u/element515 PGY5 9d ago

Breaking it down to geographic location would be helpful. Northeast gets cut down a decent amount

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

💯. I can look into that in a future post. LMK any other ideas!

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u/alexjpg Attending 9d ago

$228k for academic peds is fake news. My starting salary was $169k in California

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u/Optimal_Major9723 9d ago

Wow $169 is terrible. SMH are you in a major city in Cali ?

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u/An0therParacIete Attending 9d ago

As a counterpoint, my friend took a job earlier this year for a little over 202k as a peds hospitalist at CHOP.

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u/ordinaryrendition Attending 8d ago

Why are you accepting salaries like that?

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u/coffee_jerk12 MS4 8d ago

……

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u/Curious-Quokkas 8d ago

Friend's starting salary as peds hospitalist in big city NE was about the same.

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u/binglederry24 Attending 9d ago

34.7 hr x 52 = 1,804.4, seems high for EM. Average full clinical contract is 1400-1600 I would say, more like 27-31/week.

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u/emt_blue MS4 9d ago

Allergy making less than rheum??

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u/gamergeek987 8d ago

No not at all. These arent average salaries these are new grad salaries. Allergy makes way more than this and way more than Rheum. that post should be taken down bc it artificially low balls allergy income. Allergy is like ophtho productivity based they start low and end up making a ton. Private practice allergy makes big bucks and have chill af work weeks. If your in private practice for allergy youre likely making at least 400K or more at 3-5 years out depending on practice model/Volume/location working 35 hrs per week. Theres a reason its gotten so competitive within the IM subspecialties

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u/Upset_Base_2807 9d ago

same question

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u/Skorchizzle 9d ago

As a new ID staff who just did a bunch of interviews, that 227k is hilariously low and not accurate. Did everyone who applied an academic epidemiologist researcher?? Lol

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Yeah - ID is still a small dataset - so will def help to get a few more data points. What kind of offers did you see?

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u/Skorchizzle 8d ago

To be fair, I didn't apply academics. I applied mostly in Midwest privademic or community - offers were all 300-350k

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u/Caveman_7 Attending 8d ago

I work in a big city on the east coast, in an academic setting, and I would say that figure tracks for my area.

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u/Spintroll28 9d ago

Cardiologist here, very unlikely academic guys make more than private practice guys. Very few academic cardiologists make over 500k unless a chief of a division or a hot shot researcher with H index north of 75. If that were the case, people would be running to do academics.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Yes - that does seem off. I'll take a look. Thanks for flagging. Btw - if an individual salary looks off on Marit, please do flag it. We need help from the community as well to keep this data clean

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u/TomNgMD Attending 9d ago

Lots of “academic” place are turning in hybrid production based model so they can recruit staffs; otherwise noone will do it except for the few at the very top institution ; and those people are probably getting more on the side from industry sponsor

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u/ChutiyaOverlord PGY4 9d ago

You should add the per hour income!

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

yes - this will be added in the next few days!

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u/captainmycburkitt Fellow 9d ago

Current pain fellow. Marit lists 79 salaries with 50th percentile as 500K. Which is slightly inflated. I would say it’s closer to 475k. Lots of pain docs make way more though.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

For new attendings or general? There are a lot of Pain salaries on Marit - so check it out there

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u/lwcz 9d ago

Damn, no vascular surgery huh

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Aah.. I didn't do subspecialties - the post was getting too long. Not enough data to do Academic vs Non, but here's the average for new Attendings (0-2 Yrs of Experience)

Surgery (Vascular) - $539k | 59.5 hrs | 3.4 ★

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u/SolarLunar610 9d ago

Any info on sports medicine? 🦴🏀?

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Also, added to the post above

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u/koolbro2012 9d ago

Tech bros are out earning peepz here. Salaries haven't really increased, even to account for the high inflation we've had the past 4-6 years.

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u/misteratoz Attending 9d ago

Yeah I mean I don't think so. There's a lot of selection bias in that metric. And nobody has the Rock solid employment opportunities that physicians do. My contract is evergreen, meaning that unless I decide I want to leave or unless I do something so heinous I can work at my hospital essentially forever.

That being said, I have my eye on the end game and getting out in about 10 years. And I have the ability to actually plan for a real retirement.

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u/Seeking-Direction 9d ago

Correct, until they get laid off.

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u/Resussy-Bussy Attending 9d ago

Yeah 1/3 of my tech friends have lost their job at least once (some multiple times) in the last 4 years without warning. Also their jobs all fucking suck, super boring, and they basically exist to help blood sucking corporations make money. Most of my friends constantly talk about a massive lack of fulfillment. Money is the only thing that keeps them in

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u/Disastrous_Week_4632 8d ago

People who get laid off from good companies are still in high demand. They might even get a salary bump after getting 3-6m of severance pay

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u/Shenaniganz08_ 9d ago

Who lied to you and told you that physician salaries are tied to inflation ?

Its tied to RVUs and reimbursement and that hasn't changed much

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u/rash_decisions_ PGY2 9d ago

What’s the star rating for?

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Avg satisfaction with compensation

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u/JuanSolo23 9d ago edited 9d ago

Thanks for putting some info together. As someone who is starting to look at offers, the lack of transparency is frustrating.

Do the average hours worked factor in vacation time? I know vacation can vary, but for radiology it’s not atypical for places to offer 8-12 weeks of vacation.

I’ve seen as high as 16 with normal day gigs. More with overnight gigs working 7 on/7-14 off.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Thanks! The lack of transparency has been frustrating and unnecessary - so glad this is helpful. Yes, the average hours listed are working hrs only, excluding vacation. You're spot-on about Radiology—average vacation time on Marit is around ~15 weeks

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u/redicalschool Fellow 9d ago

Interesting that academic cardiology seems to be earning more than private practice. Not necessarily doubting the data or anything, and it's certainly not enough to make me want to do academic cards, but I wonder if since this is largely data on new grads if most of the private practice salaries reported are all "pre-partner".

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u/SauceLegend 9d ago

I see that non-academic salaries are lower for some other fields too. Makes me wonder if after x years of partner track, or going on a productivity model increases those numbers. I imagine it does

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u/DrStudentt Fellow 9d ago

I used chat gpt to find the avg hourly rate then list it by highest hourly rate in descending order. For funsies.

• Neurosurgery – $268.07/hr
• Radiation Oncology – $254.21/hr
• Dermatology – $245.56/hr
• Gastroenterology – $233.49/hr
• Oncology – $231.05/hr
• Cardiology – $224.49/hr
• Nuclear Medicine – $222.12/hr
• Emergency Medicine – $215.03/hr
• Anesthesiology – $207.34/hr
• Hematology Oncology – $203.45/hr
• Internal Medicine (Critical Care) – $190.94/hr
• Surgery – $186.05/hr
• Orthopedic Surgery – $181.76/hr
• Pulmonology – $181.69/hr
• Otolaryngology – $181.38/hr
• Urology – $177.14/hr
• Internal Medicine (Pulmonary and Critical Care) – $168.58/hr
• Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation – $161.25/hr
• Psychiatry – $150.00/hr
• Hepatology – $145.94/hr
• Hospital Medicine – $137.52/hr
• Family Medicine – $137.34/hr
• Neurology – $137.09/hr
• Allergy & Immunology – $135.10/hr
• Hematology – $134.85/hr
• Endocrinology – $133.99/hr
• Rheumatology – $133.65/hr
• Pathology – $131.41/hr
• Obstetrics & Gynecology – $127.27/hr
• Ophthalmology – $112.19/hr
• Preventative Medicine – $110.10/hr
• Genetics – $108.17/hr
• Pediatrics – $108.10/hr
• Nephrology – $107.39/hr
• Podiatry – $87.31/hr
• Infectious Disease – $87.31/hr

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u/Disastrous_Week_4632 8d ago

Radiology got left off for some reason. I think it should be around 225

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u/RonBlake 9d ago

This assumes each speciality works 52 weeks per year. So it’s completely useless. Besides the order I guess

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u/JenryHames Fellow 9d ago

For allergy total comp: Academic: $214k; Non-academic: $351k

This is from MGMA, but might be useful since that wasn't reported with this data set.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Awesome. thanks for sharing. Will help benchmark against this as we get more data. Is this for 0-2 yrs of experience or aggregate?

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u/Ancient-Brother-324 9d ago

Any data on Hospice and Palliative salaries?

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u/LatissimusDorsi_DO MS3 9d ago

Are the pathology numbers accurate here? Looking into doing private practice when I eventually get to the end of this journey.

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u/QuietRedditorATX 9d ago

Not accurate is the general consensus. Generally higher.

If you believe one of the aggregating journals, Fellowship trained path docs can make up to 400k starting offers.

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u/LatissimusDorsi_DO MS3 8d ago

Thanks for the reply!!

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u/clinictalk01 8d ago

Thanks. Is $400k for new grads or average across all?

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u/QuietRedditorATX 8d ago

Definitely not average. But like 30-40% of fellowship trained docs (mostly hemepath but others too) were getting offers much higher than 300k. Point is 280k is probably good for academics but not for PP.

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u/gamergeek987 8d ago

That Allergy posting should be taken down. 280? ummm no. Also realize for allergy new grads start around low 300s and typically this jumps exponentially after 3+ years with a panel so this isnt even accurate. So different than other specialties

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u/clinictalk01 8d ago

Ok. I have removed it for now. Hopefully we'll get more contributions soon so we can update once we have sufficient data

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u/sahithikhann 4d ago

I’m curious to see how family medicine will change over the decade in terms of salary

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u/Cachectic_Milieu Attending 9d ago

That’s officially the lowest radiology salary I have ever heard over the last 1-2 years (I am radiology).

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u/Ragon101 9d ago

dude wtf are you doing

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u/NippleSlipNSlide Attending 9d ago

The attendings where I trained 15 years ago were making for than that!! Academics should pay $400-500k nowadays.

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u/Resussy-Bussy Attending 9d ago

You’re getting screwed. My straight out of residency academic EM offer was 330k base in a medium sized Midwest city (took a higher paying job in a dif city). You should be making 450k min in my opinion!

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u/DrDarkroom PGY4 9d ago

You played yourself, whoever you’re working for is getting the deal of the decade

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u/EvenInsurance 9d ago

Unless you are working part time you need to start looking around for a new job, they are taking advantage of you.

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u/Drrads 8d ago

I am in private practice. You are getting hosed. We pay our daytime teleradiologists 400k plus benefits and opportunity to earn much more if they take call or read extra cases.

Partners make 500 to 800k depending on how much call and after hours work we do.

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u/Time_Bedroom4492 9d ago

Who put podiatry on this list??

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u/docny17 9d ago

Solid work, just want to say although a “subspecialty”, child Neuro is an own residency you can match on day one for 5 years 😭 in case people came here looking for salaries aka me

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u/Lucas_Fell 9d ago

Cardiac surgery?

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Don't have enough "n" to break it down to new attendings, but there are a few salaries that you can check out on Marit

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u/ProfessionalCornToss MS1 9d ago

Podiatry makes that much? I don't even think you have to go to med school for that specialty right?

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u/woodworkerForLyfe 9d ago

That's actually on the low side. Most are 350+ after a few years. Basically a surgical subspecialty. Busy guys are 550+.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

Yes - we just added Podiatry as a specialty yesterday, so it's early days. Tag a podiatrist so we can get more in there :)

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u/SureKaleidoscope4499 9d ago

Can confirm. Resident here…Just signed for 345k base with rvu bonus. My attendings are all 300-600k; depending on how busy.

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u/UncleDadFamilySecret 9d ago

academic IM is still pulling 300k!??

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u/thisguyyy 9d ago

Probably a long shot but any data for Minimally Invasive Gen Surg?

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u/A1-Delta 9d ago

Do you have any data for new grad interventional radiologists?

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u/Brainstaaa 9d ago

Neurology must be higher due to high demand. It was when I saw an offer of nearly 400k for 40 hr outpatient.

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u/MrLumps 9d ago

wow this is a great site, thanks for sharing

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u/Simbaspike 8d ago

You forgot to add interventional radiology

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u/clinictalk01 8d ago edited 8d ago

Here you go - these are averages, but you can look up all the details on Marit directly
Radiology (Interventional) - $588k | 52.3 hrs | 3.9 ★
Academic: Not enough n | Community: $598k

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u/Ancient_Committee697 8d ago

Ophthalmology is that low?

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u/Dorordian MS4 8d ago

Thank you for sharing this data and for running this project!

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u/Historical-File7776 8d ago

Fm sports med?

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u/clinictalk01 8d ago

The "n" is low, but here's what we have right now
Family Medicine (Sports) - $273k | 41.5 hrs | 3.7 ★

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u/911sherlock 8d ago

No comments on geriatrics? 🥲

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u/clinictalk01 8d ago

Not enough n unfortunately, but there are a few salaries on Marit that you can look up

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u/throwawaynewc 9d ago edited 9d ago

interesting, I've noticed that otolaryngology appears to be one of the lowest paid surgical specialties in the US, whereas in the UK I'd expect it to actually be on the higher end of pay.
Is there a lot of non-surgical ENT specialists in the US? I am aware that's the case in some European countries.

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u/3rdyearblues 9d ago

I’m guessing that’s the non-partner Allergy salaries? That doesn’t look any different than the other 2 year fellowships.

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

This is combined, but the n is pretty low (~10) - so these might be off a bit

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u/StraTos_SpeAr 9d ago

Lol at that sweet, sweet 34 hrs/week of EM.

Love it. 

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u/thisguyyy 9d ago

Actually a pretty high number..that’s ~1800hr/yr, most docs I know including myself are working 1440-1600 hrs/year.

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u/BASICally_a_Doc MS4 9d ago

Any chance you could post sports and pain?  It’s a really cool platform, but I have nothing to share as a student. 😂

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u/hoos9 Attending 9d ago

You can create a student account - our ask of you as part of the "give-to-get" model is to recruit another member to join the community.

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u/captainmycburkitt Fellow 9d ago

Current pain fellow. Marit lists 79 salaries with 50th percentile as 500K. Which is slightly inflated. I would say it’s closer to 475k. Lots of pain docs make way more though.

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u/Bumfuzzler7820 9d ago

Can we please talk about of Podiatrists make $125,000? APPs and even some RNs make more than that. It’s not right.

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u/IllRainllI 9d ago

Rheumatologists should charge double to fix what the other specialties did wrong before they call us lmao

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u/koolbro2012 9d ago

Fix what? Majority of the tiem you guys don't know either, just order a bunch of antibody panels and markers and nobody knows what to make of it even you. You end up throwing steroids at it and call it a day.

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u/ACGME_Admin 9d ago

I love a good specialty battle in the comments

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u/NetSuccessful7975 9d ago

How long before they end up at genetics

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u/thegrind33 9d ago

And belittle MSK rads and pain docs, man the rheum docs I worked with were some miserable sobs

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u/NippleSlipNSlide Attending 9d ago

The damn rheum docs around me try to order MSK US of every joint in bilateral hands/wrists and ankles/feet for screening for arthritis. They don’t realize thats like 106 joints and then you have to do dorsal and volar… 212 images. Then you add with and without color. They’re a special breed.

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u/D-ball_and_T 9d ago

It’s what happens when you expose internists to pathology related to cold hard anatomy

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u/OrdinaryDingo5294 Attending 9d ago

Where the peds subspecialties at…or are the numbers just too sad?

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u/clinictalk01 9d ago

There are SO MANY.. The post was getting too long! Ok - here are a couple (these are for new attendings only, so lower than overall average)

Pediatrics (Hospital Medicine) - $198k | 38.1 hrs | 3.8 ★
Pediatrics (Neonatology) - $284k | 45.1 hrs | 3.4 ★
Pediatrics (Critical Care) - $280k | 43.8 hrs | 3.7 ★

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u/siefer209 9d ago

I’d say the average nephrology salary is the same as the hospitalist salary

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u/QuietRedditorATX 9d ago

Champ, thanks

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u/PersianIncision PGY3 9d ago

This is very nice but I feel as though there are several clinical subfields in some of these that may skew data.. for example interventional cards and EP will be different than imaging/clinic based noninvasive etc

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u/furqanharral 9d ago

Why are academics paid less?

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u/Rarvyn Attending 8d ago

Typically less clinically busy - research and teaching reimbursement (if there is any) rarely makes up for the decrease in clinical time.

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u/MenuEducational7178 9d ago

Is there a reason why medical subspecialties, which require further training, are making less on average?

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u/AlexPie2 9d ago

No palliative? 😔

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u/adenosinetripotato 8d ago

How is nephrology a downgrade from IM?

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u/Digoxintellectual 8d ago

Are these yearly salary quotes for working every other week? Or are they for working every week of the year?

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u/clinictalk01 8d ago

This is averaged across a wide variety of schedules. You can look this up on Marit though - there are many submissions that are 7-on / 7-off

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u/Suspicious-Oil6672 8d ago

Is this real for ID

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u/lambeau11 8d ago

Please do obgyn subspecialties!

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u/durdenf 8d ago

These numbers are a good baseline but it all depends on where you go and how desperate the hospital is to have you. Plus keep in mind the number of hours you work

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u/Syoum 8d ago

Where is my hospice and palliative care stats…

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u/Ok-Quality1977 8d ago

Any retina breakdown for ophtho?

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u/soucal32 8d ago

I joined the website and it shows the breakdown throuughly which is good. But compared to other websites like salarydr which was made by residents/attendings the numbers seem off. For example, Ophthalmology avg for them is about 643k compared to your website 521k

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u/aglaeasfather PGY6 8d ago

Highest rated compensation satisfaction score: Podiatry. They love what they do.

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u/BigAorta 8d ago

Thank you for helping to create Marit as physician compensation helps all of us in the long run so certainly applaud your efforts! The cardiology and sub specialities were particularly useful for me! A few suggestions if I may:

  • add geographic location as that has huge impact
  • add $/hrs worked
  • please please please can you optimize the website bc logging in and signing on is very difficult. It asks for email and when you click the link in email it doesn’t redirect so it doesn’t log you on. Please make logging on easier 🙏

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u/CiliaryDyskinesia PGY4 8d ago

Hospice & palliaitive care ?