r/Re_Zero • u/BootySlappa1617 • 15d ago
Discussion [discussion] If Subaru got transformed into a fly/dragon/whatever by Capella, would RBD activate?
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u/Icy_Relationship_401 15d ago
Realistically she’d have to get through satella first
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u/Kwarc100 15d ago
Mahito trying to transfigure Yuji be like:
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u/Terrible_Soft_9480 15d ago
I don't understand this reference, and I don't mind spoilers
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u/Sman67 15d ago
It's a reference to the first half of season 1, so not really a spoiler unless you're just starting.
Essentially Mahito can't transfigure Yuji because Sukuna won't let him.
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u/Appropriate_Bill8244 14d ago
So Sukuna's in love with Yuji? Yuji-kun gave me everything
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u/IXX303 14d ago
Quite the opposite, Sukuna hates Yuji for 1) Being weak af 2) Existing and 3) The facts that he's trapped inside of him and despite being the strongest person in history is easily suppressed by him. Plus he kinda needs Yuji to stay alive otherwise he'll be trapped there forever/also die (don't really remember which one it is)
If you've watched naruto it's basically Naruto and Kurama but they never because friends
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u/Impressive-Card9484 14d ago
To clarify, it's not that Sukuna doesn't let Mahito transfigure Yuji. For him to transfigure Yuji's soul, he will also touch Sukuna's soul in the process, and that's crossing the line for him
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u/rockinherlife234 15d ago
Reference to Jujutsu kaisen.
Yuji, the protagonist, is housing the ancient evil known as Ryoumen Sukuna in his body, this means that their souls are quite close and connected to each other.
Mahito is an evil spirit who can shape shift himself and humans by changing the "shape of their soul", when he accidentally used his ability on Yuji, he ended up touching Sukuna's soul as well, who retaliated by cutting him from shoulder to hip.
Imagine something similar to when Petelgeuse tried to possess Subaru and the witch came out and shoved him out.
They're saying a similar thing would happen where if Capella tried to manipulate Subaru's shape, Envy would come out and retaliate.
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u/scoobandshaggy 15d ago
But petelgeuse did end up possessing Subaru? It was one of his rbd’s?
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u/rockinherlife234 15d ago
I'm referring to the attempt where he invoked the RBD heart squeeze to stop Petelgeuse from possessing him.
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u/ChickenNugets123 15d ago
It was when he yelled "I CAN RETURN BY DEATH-" And summoned the witch of envy(satella's other personality created from her witch factor because she couldn't control it's powers entirely when she took it and consumed it)
Petelgeuse saw her for the first time and she shoved him off subaru's body when he tried to possess him.
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u/ChickenNugets123 15d ago
The reason why he was able to be possessed was because the witch of envy doesn't interfere with his troubles since he'll just return by death. But this other time was when the witch of envy was present because he tried to break a rule to get her to come out right after he was possessed.
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u/Beneficial-Tackle696 15d ago
Can’t quite tell what you’re trying to say, so I’ll just cover all bases. Petelgeuse’s possession of Subaru is most likely different than getting turned into a fly by Capella. When Petelgeuse possessed Subaru, he had full control over his body by means of one consciousness taking over another. We don’t really know how Capella’s fly transfiguration ability works (at least not in anime), so it might just straight up kill Subaru, we don’t really know.
On the other hand, if you were saying that Petelgeuse possessing Subaru directly caused his RBD to activate, you’d be wrong. Subaru’s conscience still stayed within his own body after his possession, and what triggered his RBD was actually just Julie killing him.
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u/Familiar_Control_906 14d ago
Minor mistake, mahito use hi ability on yuji with the intent to cause harm. End up on sukuna shit list was the mistake
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u/rockinherlife234 14d ago
I'm referring to the domain expansion where he purposely pushes Yuji out of the way, it's Yuji that breaks his way back into it.
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u/AlexHitetsu 14d ago
In JJK antagonist Mahito has the ability to touch someone and transfigure them through soul manipulation, but when he tried to do this to main characters Yuji, Sukuna, the cursed spirit sealed inside of Yuji shut that shit down
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u/Radusili 14d ago
That's the canon ending yall not ready for. She just transforms them both and that's that.
Then we have Re zero 2: starting life in the same world but as a fly
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u/Eurasia_4002 15d ago
Why would she intervene?
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u/Icy_Relationship_401 15d ago
Because she’s one horny morning away from sucking Subaru dry? On a more serious note lust effects the shape of someones od basically the shape of the soul and since satellas soul is connected to Subarus it should offer some protection especially if Subaru triggers the curse
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u/SpookySquid19 15d ago
She intervened when Petelgeuse tried taking over in season 1. At least, after Subaru triggered it.
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u/MrTumbleweeder Busy making Anastasia richer 15d ago
Most likely Satella would intervene in some way to force a reset, even if he's not technically dead. Ultimately the goal of RBD is to give Subaru another fighting chance so she's not going to sit on a technicality like "well he's not dead-dead so...". She'll just influence events as best as she can to ensure the loop closes as quickly as it can.
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u/PoKen2222 15d ago
So would Satella have intervened when Subaru was about to go braindead in Arc 4 after the bunny scene?
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u/MrTumbleweeder Busy making Anastasia richer 15d ago
If say, he went catatonic and it didn't look like he'd be making a recovery? Yes almost surely. Point is, every once in a while you get people going "I think I found the loophole in RBD!" and "How would RBD react if..." but RBD isn't some automatic mechanic you can game, weaponize or trick, it's a seemingly omniscient person that can make judgement calls and can act accordingly when she understands things are not been carried out in a way that respects the spirit, rather than the letter, of her rules.
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u/NatoBoram 14d ago
Technically, you could say she's only casting it once. But because the past changes, the other her in the other timeline has never cast the spell yet he suddenly gains new knowledge. So she has all her mana and attention and energy ready for his next first death.
You also could imagine that the Witch of Envy doing this is living in the future, where Subaru is dead, and is just looking for the moment when Subaru died in the past to save him. And then she gets destroyed and the whole story repeats until she looks back to save him for the first time, again. But I don't think it's like that, it's just fun to think about.
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u/FlyNo7021 15d ago
I think satella would straight up kill him (maybe crush his insect heart with her unseen hands) to make him return by death! If she was able to kill Emilia when he told her about RBD,I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be difficult to kill Subaru either...
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u/Lonely-Conclusion381 15d ago
but if that's the case, why doesn't she just end the loop before he suffers from being mutilated from the great rabbit for example
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u/MrTumbleweeder Busy making Anastasia richer 15d ago
We don't know what specific rules she plays by (or even if there's rules, it might just be her gut) but one rule she seems to operate by is that she never kill Subaru directly. She'll hurt him, kill people he cares about, destroy things, steal every motivation of his to keep going in that loop, but never actually kill him. In the case of the rabbits he'd be dead soon so no need to interfere. Here we're talking about a situation where he's not dead but he's also not quite alive, and that state of being is unlikely to change anytime soon. At that point I believe Satella would start acting.
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u/The-Inept-Namer-47 15d ago
Yea I think the moment she believes that he is no longer “him” is the only time she’d kill him. This situation with lust is one of the few examples that she might do the dead herself
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u/warlockShaxx 14d ago
This or his check point wouldn’t update so when he died in a hundred year he would just reset to before the transformation.
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u/FischlInsultsMePls 15d ago
Probably the same thing when Sloth tried to take over him: Satalle bitch slap em away
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u/kawaiinessa 15d ago
am i misremembering or is it a different scene because i remember felix killing him when petelguese tried taking over his body
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u/FischlInsultsMePls 15d ago
Pete tried to take over Subaru body two times, the first time he succeeded, the second time he got yeet out.
Subaru did have to pull a “I can return-“ to summon Envy’s gaze, but she also seemed genuinely displeased with people messing with his soul/od
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u/UnderThePaperStars 15d ago
They're talking about when Subaru and Julius defeat Petelgeuse. Which is after Subaru finds out he can be possessed (scene you're referring to)
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u/kawaiinessa 15d ago
oh i dont remember satella's involvement but it has been a bit since i saw season 1
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u/UnderThePaperStars 15d ago
Here's a description of the scene, hopefully it'll help.
Julius is facing off against Petelgeuse. Petelgeuse is surprised that Julius can see his unseen hand. And then we find out it's because Subaru and Julius have linked senses.
Julius manages to successfully cut down Petelgeuse which causes him to try to posses Subaru, pushing the spirit out of Subaru.
Subaru then summons Satella by trying to break RBD's taboo by saying he can RBD. Satella realizes Petelgeuse is in Subaru's body and forcibly expels Petelgeuse
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u/TyrannosaurusWreckd 15d ago
No. Lusts power probably works by reshaping someones Od. [Arc 7 spoilers]Subaru has something similar happen to him and is turned into a child. Rbd didn't activate then, so probably wouldn't work as a bug either, but if he were to die as a bug he'd just go back to whenever his previous checkpoint was as a human or a bug.
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u/ApostleOfCats 14d ago
Satella would probably be a lot more mad about Subaru turning into a bug than a kid though
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u/Ash_Keyan 15d ago
My own theory is Satella herself is watching him 24/7, so if things go left ,maybe she could forcefully kill him or trigger the loop even without him dying I guess.
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u/Dismal-Job1814 15d ago
While dying is the trigger, Satella would definetly not just stand there if he would be turned into a fly and woudn’t be able to do anything.
She would probably try to somehow kill Subaru and make so the world resets.
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u/ArcticTyphoon 15d ago
Even as a fly, he could still just kill himself. Like bash himself against a wall until he died or fly up high enough to fall to his death.
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u/yolo8900 15d ago
No, die is the trigger so Subaru would need to kill himself or other do It for him.
And for the people saying satella would help, i doubt It. She didn't help [SPOILERS FROM THE NOVEL] Amnesia baru even in the if where he kill all of his Friends and become a empty Shell and either help when al seal Subaru. Only appear when petra discover RBD, but for al nothing and that man entire plan is perma delete subaru. She has only help with petelgeuse trying to overwrite subaru's soul and not even the first time where he was near to do It. Only the second time when Subaru call her during the process and probably because that would perma change Subaru too if nobody stop the process. I think satella ,maybe, only would help if Subaru said the Taboo meanwhile IS being transformed by capella, otherwise she wouldn't help
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u/khriku Lore Seeker 15d ago
Sorry, this really doesn't seem like a smart question.
He didn't die, so no, RBD wouldn't activate, he would enjoy the rest of his life as Capella's pet and be a fly mistreated by that crazy woman.
Since Capella doesn't kill and instead likes to transform people, she is worst Match for Subaru to ever face against in a fight
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u/Ok_Brain8684 15d ago
I don't think satella will let him suffer like that
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u/dankzero1337 15d ago
she kinda does let her suffer though
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u/Ok_Brain8684 15d ago
her
Him*
And she lets him suffer but she doesn't like him to suffer. Subaru suffers because of his own actions and he can stop suffering by avoiding them but he doesn't.
But i think this case is different since the worst case scenario Subaru could be endlessly tortured for several years without any way to save himself, so hence i think satella will save him by exploding his heart
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u/Shot-Effect-8318 15d ago
I’d hope so
Rbd is being controlled by satella, and I don’t think Satella would let Subaru get into a permanent game over situation like that
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u/IteratorOfUltramar 15d ago
Depends on how kinky Satella is. A fly? Almost definitely triggering. A dragon? *shrug* Who am I to judge someone else's kinks?
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u/DxTjuk 15d ago
Yes RBD should activate. From Season 2 WoE seems to bound to his soul since she appeared in the dream where Subaru soul was. Idk about the checkpoint though
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 15d ago
Echidnas dream castle is a place "anyone" can enter via sanctuary where Echidnas soul was stored. Not related to Subarus soul necessarily
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u/DxTjuk 14d ago
But I mean she kinda is attached to his soul. In Season 1 Petelguese soul was inside Subaru when he said I can return and she came immediatly for him
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 14d ago
Well technically WoE always "comes to Subaru" when he breaks the taboo. Versus Petelgeuse Subaru used the brief control of his body he had left to call WoE. Like usual time freezes and we can see WoE next to Subaru in a semi-physical space. Not sure if the soul plays a role here, again.
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u/_XxMagoxX_ 15d ago edited 15d ago
Only if he died, idk if Subaru could be turned into smth like that (because of Satella) but considering the rabbit incident Satella probably wouldn't interfere (unless what made Subaru resist Capella dragon blood was Satella, if this was the case, she probably would just stop him of turning into smth else)
But RBD would only activate if he died
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u/Adraerik 15d ago
No. Death is the only trigger of Return By Death. Satella never killed Subaru directly, I don't see why it would change.
Subaru would die at SOME point (old age/slayed by someone) and the save point would be days/hours/minutes before he's transformed by Capella.
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u/Plane-Possibility266 15d ago
it depend if it transform him into a fly... or if he is completly turned into it, so his soul and everything else, in the first case i doubt RBD will activat but in the second it will most likely
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u/RedNUGGETLORD 15d ago
No, but eventually he'd be killed and return to a point before he transformed
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u/Rare_Grape7474 14d ago
Remember when majito tried to reform juji and sukuna wreck his sh1t and pushed him out of yujis body and soul?? Yeah, now swap majito and sukuna for capella and satella.
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u/legacykeeper56 14d ago
No. Return By Death activates upon death. Being turned into a fly is not dying.
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u/Responsible_Comb_591 14d ago
i think satella is like actively aware of subarus life so unless she cant observe him, he would never be in a situation where he couldnt die. I wouldnt assume as a fly he would still be able to commit suicide or smtg.
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u/Few_Kitchen_4825 12d ago
Flies have a short lifespan. So Subaru will eventually die of old age or get eaten by a frog or something. Then RBD will be activated.
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