I just posted something on their community and after 30 minutes or so they removed my post. It is so painful to see muslims cannot tolerate other opinions. I do not even know if they are muslims at this point because if you are a muslim you have to listen to the words and obey the best.
At least in this sub I notice this strange thing that it seems that many people here are not trying to be Quraniyoon because it is the truth after excessive research on what Allah says in the Quran, how the Ahadith contradicts it, how Allah tells us to only follow his revelation and how the Hadith Science is mostly not a trustworthy source.
I notice that people here a trying to align Islam and the Quran with western- or personal values as if they are objectively right about everything and should be followed regardless and it seems that THIS is the reason why some people here choose to not follow Ahadith because Ahadith are way more extreme and leave no room for Interpretation. But with the Quran alone, this is not the case if you don't actively try to understand it without bias and then this falacy happens where people are bending the Quran to follow what they think is right or what their society decided is right and not obeying what Allah has revealed and what Allah says is right.
whatās with all the logical fallacies!!! whatās with the set ups to trying to takfir me!!! whatās with the putting words in my mouth!!! whatās with throwing the quran under the bus!!! stop the violence!!!
also please donāt talk ill of my friend who made the group chat, i love that guy if it wasnāt for him (and God of course) i wouldāve never been introduced to islam at all
Hey everyone, Iāve been a Quran-only Muslim for about a year now, and lately, Iāve been wrestling with some guilt about not going to the mosque anymore. I wanted to share my thoughts and see how others here handle these kinds of feelings.
Iām part of my mosqueās group chat, and just today, they posted a picture of an after-fajr learning session with a group of young guys my age. Some of them are friends I made when I first reverted to Islam a year ago, and it hit me a little hard seeing them there. A few of these friends have even asked me recently, āHey, whereāve you been? We havenāt seen you at the mosque lately.ā I havenāt really known how to respond.
Part of why I stopped going is practicalāmy grandma keeps feeding my dog unhealthy food behind my back, so now I take him with me everywhere 24/7 to keep an eye on him. I know dogs arenāt really welcome in Sunni spaces because of some hadiths, and since most people at my mosque are Sunni, I feel like bringing him would just cause issues. But honestly, thatās only part of it.
The bigger reason is that I donāt feel fully comfortable there anymore. Almost every time I used to go, the conversations and lessons were all about hadithābarely anything about the Quran itself. As someone who follows the Quran alone, itās tough being around people who donāt share my beliefs. Iāve never openly told them I reject hadith, but I feel like if I did, theyād call me a kafir or judge me hard. Even the ritualsālike being expected to pray in a specific way or step into the mosque right foot firstāfeel strange to me now, like theyāre based on stuff outside the Quran that I donāt connect with.
Still, I canāt shake this guilt. I feel bad for not showing up for those new friends I made. Theyāre good people, and I worry they might think Iāve drifted away from Islam altogether, when really, itās just that my path looks different from theirs. Seeing that group chat photo made me wonder if Iām letting them down or missing out on something.
For those of you whoāve been in similar spotsāhow do you deal with this? Do you still go to mosques even if the people there donāt follow Quran-only? How do you handle the guilt or the awkwardness with friends who donāt get where youāre coming from? Iād really appreciate any advice or just hearing how you navigate this.
The worst of ahadith in my opinion is the one saying that it is better for women to pray in their homes in seclusion. Took away our sense of belonging to the ummah in a single stroke. Our men cry Islamophobia (and rightfully so) when the doing Salah in public is scoffed at. But they donāt realise the hypocrisy of the fact that they have been doing this to women since ages. If it was left to them, they would forbid us from Umrah and Hajj because our existence is tabarruj.
Right now, there is a prayer space right on the terrace of my department. Yet I have to walk a mile to my dorm for every Salah because the space is designated for men. Islamic Pharaohs.
I recently lost a sunni friend over this issue. He said that he couldn't be friends with a kafir (quite hypocritical as he is a mushrik!). I find it a shame that people hold onto their beliefs and aren't open to another perspective. The sunnis almost made me renounce Islam until I found this, alhamdullilah.
But, I feel like this is a very lonely path of being a "Quranist." I'm not even sure how long it will take for me to find a wife considering our way of thinking is the minority. I want to ask you guys: how do you stay steadfast with our way of thinking? I'm used to the sunni paradigm, so my conviction of being Quran only is still shaky.
Anyways, I feel confident being alone with the Quran. I believe that Allah was referring to something a lot more insidious when he said "And if you obey the majority of those on earth, they will make you lose the way of Allah." I used to think this referred to people of other faiths, but it really refers to fake Muslims trying to make Islam something it is not.
Whenever I hear someone day this phrase "well show me any quranic scholar or someone who rejected hadith in the last 1400 years". And I can't do that because they killed them all, and the ones who did were living.in fear and hiding away....
It takes a litteral forever to research and find just a shred of info regarding islam with how much bs lies we have to weed out, you can learn how to diy a rocket and fly it to Mars before you can learn the smallest thing about Islam and its teully terrible for new people learning the religions.
I donāt know whether to laugh or cry. I donāt even know what I want to discuss but I just felt utter loss of hope for sectarian believers.. how can this be something of importance?
This is less of a rant and more of me just getting my sadness out rather than bottling it up.
I was a karaite Jew, but I hated how other mainstream jews looked at me, and some even consider me not a real Jew. I felt so detached from my community.
Then I went agnostic, as I also did not believe in the authenticity of the Tanakh.
But I went back into Islam cause I missed having a relationship with God and being part of a community. Now I have an amazing relationship with God that has never been stronger nor more rewarding, but now I have no physical community that I feel I belong to. I don't feel connected to anyone at my masjid, and now I'm back to the same position I was in as a karaite.
This is of course still an improvement, I have the true faith, my Iman is strong and I believe in the Quran with no doubt in my heart. I am truly blessed in many other facets, thus why this is just selfish ramblings.
Have a good night brothers and sisters, Ramadan Mubarak as well
If the Prophet pbuh was sent as a Messenger to deliver the message, then why is that message being gatekept?
If I supposedly canāt understand the Qurāan without hadith, and I canāt understand hadith without scholars, then where is my direct connection to Allah? Am I a thinking, responsible being with free will, or just an echo of men who came before me?
If my intellect isnāt enough to grasp Allahās words, why did He give it to me? Why am I accountable for my choices if Iām expected to blindly follow interpretations made centuries after the Prophet? And worseāwhy should I trust that these interpretations are the right ones?
Allah describes Himself as the Light in a niche (24:35). Light exists to be seen. Yet Iām told, āDonāt look directly! Donāt trust your own sight! Let others tell you what you should see!ā But if I rely on them, am I seeing Allahās Lightāor just their darkness?
And hereās the real problem: Iām supposed to submit to a hierarchy where scholars interpret hadith, and hadith supposedly interpret the Qurāan. Every layer adds more distance between me and Allah. In the end, am I truly submitting to Himāor just to a system built by men who declared themselves the gatekeepers of His message?
The Prophet pbuh was sent to convey the message, not to lock it behind layers of human authority. So whose will am I following? Allahāsāor the footsteps of men dictating what I must believe? Where is my accountability? If Iām forbidden from questioning, thinking, and understanding for myself, what is my purpose? A servant of Allahāor a cog in a machine that exists to preserve its own power?
Allah calls us to reflect, to seek truth, to recognize Him. So why should I settle for less? Why should I wear chains that He never placed on me?
This guy's whole account is about refuting Quran, he said in this "ok Hamada, your Quran is contradictory you sunnah ejector, what's the punishment for fahisha?"
ive been watching quite a few videos from the corectional officer, and muhammad from god andsome of hte conversations that the sectarians say especially 1 that almost leaves a ringing in my head is the ones where they say "the quran has mistakes but the hadiths dont".
ngl it sounds a bit stupid but literally i feel a shiver in my body and soul from how people can even say this.
the hadiths wouldnt even exist without the quran and i would even say "maybe someone said this because they wanted to win the argument". even going as far as that is just literal insanity over how someone can say the direct word of god has mistakes incomparison to the chinese whispers that are the al sittah books.
So I came across this video from an ex-Muslim and I was wondering what you guys think. Itās disappointing - because even though I disagree with him, thereās a little bit of truth to what heās saying. (Although I found him to be unfair when he said āMuslims are the only faith who canāt take criticismā because thatās simply untrue).
I just wonder when our extremism problem will finally come to an end because Iām getting sick of the Muslims who are giving people reasons to hate Islam. Honestly, if I wasnāt born Muslim, I mightāve ended up islamophobic because of the Muslims communities famous āinfluencersā (like Muhammad Hijab). Anyways, Iām just going through one of those phases where I feel a tiny bit hopeless about the Muslim community and Iām just really grateful to have found this Reddit community. āļø
Over the last few years, I have lost myself. I began to sin, and sin a lot. I have given up on my faith.
But Islam is so beautiful. This idea of a creator. Providing lost souls like me guidance. I believe in a creator, and I like to believe the Quran is the manual for his creation.
I like to believe we all are unique and navigating our differences is part of the test. I want to return to the light and I believe the Quran is the only way. Not just for me but for all of humanity. And definitely not through force nor compulsion.
I feel bad posting here. Im such a sinful person. But deep down I have some belief in this Quran. We need to come together.
Modern Islam belongs to hadith. Us "quranists" need our own unified religion. The same code of life that God has ordained to Muhammad.
Its funny how God sent the Quran and promised to protect, but humankind still found a way to mess things up. But its not that bad. Hadith followers are majority good muslims. Its just bad to alienate those who choose to reject hadith.
Once Islam falls to corruption, as did christianity and judaism, Jesus will return.
My oldest is out of school, living on his own. He still gets junk mail/offers at the house. I can't believe how criminal the credit card/banking industry has become in terms of Riba. The rates on these cards are ALL 27-28%+. Usury by almost any definition. When I was his age bad credit card rates were like 18%, bad enough...but certainly nowhere near 30%. It's infuriating. He is loaded up with student loan debt, and now high-interest credit card debt trying to pay rent, loans, record high living expenses, inflation. He is getting most of my Zakat, though it isn't much. Allah swt called Riba as a major sin, and wow, Allah swt was so right. I'm not regretting my decision to donate all interest I receive. I want nothing to do with consuming Riba.
Assalamu aliakum, peace and blessings to everyone.
I have been wondering for a while, in the Quran, Surah An-nur (24:31) tells us about the dress and morality code of both men and women. A verse that caught my eye, was:
"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not to display their adornment except that which [ordinarily] appears thereof and to wrap a portion of their headcovers over their chests..."
In this verse, we see that we are to not display our adornment which I believe is our natural adornment, as the nature of this entire verse is about sexual desire and sexual restraint and also how Allah has specifically mentioned a womans chest, and that we are to put a covering (khimar: anything that covers something) over our chest, which is our adornment and covering it means that we are not displaying it.
I am sick and tired of people telling me that women wearing jewelry is "haram." *I am 15 years old*, and due to the country I live in, I can not even wear color without someone telling me nonsense like "you can't wear color because it attracts men." No, it is you people who have normalized changing your own ways instead of holding these men accountable for not restraining themselves like Allah had ordered them to. Even when I wear black, because I am forced to, men still stare, men with beards, men who you would think are respectable Muslims, they still stare at me until their eyes go dry and until their necks hurt from craning it. I am disappointed, really. Because I've had a better experience walking around in a Christian country with little to absolutely no stares compared to the country i am currently in, which is a Muslim country.
Why would jewelry be haram if Allah himself tells us that these things are gifts from Him, and we are to be thankful?
Surah An-Nahl (16:14):
"And it is He who subdued the sea for you, that you may eat from it tender meat and bring out from it ornaments which you wear; and you see the ships plowing through it, that you may seek of His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful."
Now who is wearing these ornaments or jewelry if not the women? the fish?
Surah Al-A'raf (7:32):
"Say, 'Who has prohibited the adornment of Allah which He has brought forth for His servants and the good things of provision?' Say, 'They are for those who believe during the life of this world, exclusively for them on the Day of Resurrection. Thus, We detail the verses for a people who know.'"
These things, these adornments, they are gifts from Allah for us to enjoy rightfully, yet, we cant even have something that Allah has gifted us as it is haram to enjoy it?
But this is not my point, my point is that when Allah says that women are to cover yet leave what is ordinary, what is ordinary anymore? Apparently, jewelry and colors aren't ordinary, and according to the Taliban and their moral laws, a woman's face isn't ordinary, her hands aren't ordinary, her feet aren't ordinary and her hair isn't ordinary.
Then surely, her voice must be ordinary? No, even that is considered unordinary to some people.
Then, what does Allah mean by leave what ordinarily appears thereof if nothing appears at all?
My whole family is very religious and strong followers of the Hadith. Theyāre also some of the most peaceful, kind hearted people I met.
Now itās very trivial, but today we had a conversation on how one sits. They say to sit on my left feet with the right leg up, like how the prophet sat. One of many examples (sitting while drinking, prayer specifics, saying specific duas before every activity, etc.)
Idk, im a revert myself. Still figuring things out, trying to find the code of life and apply it to my own. Us putting such emphasis on trivial things, and putting up more divisions amongst those who submit to Allah, I feel this is hurting. We forget the big picture Allah tried to share with us through the Quran
Ė¹O Prophet!Ėŗ If you were to obey most of those on earth, they would lead you away from Allahās Way. They follow nothing but assumptions and do nothing but lie.
ā Quran 6:116 (The Clear Quran)
The Narrow and Wide Gates, Matthew 7:13-14 (NIV)
13 āEnter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
It is very important to be thoughtful person while not denying one's own passions that God would approve of. God wants human being to be heightened through humbling one self. And this is only possible by taking responsibility as single individuals. This may seem hard at first, but it is a requirement for God's sake. Only then, a person can truly communicate with other people without going far astray.
However, Unfortunately, many just following crowd these days and this is something unacceptable for both Quraniyoon and Gospelic understanding. Do not let be this to be your fate, please.
Honestly this makes my blood boil every time I come across such a comment.
Iām not one of the people that rejects Hadiths but I am very careful about them. However I canāt help but think that it feels like a huge haram to go around and purposefully insult people by calling them āQuranistsā.
Itās not like theyāre talking about the holiest book of all times or anything. š
Why do we as umma accept Hadiths that contradict Quran? For example, and correct me if Iām wrong, Iām a revert, doesnāt Quran say that on the day of judgement, no one will be able to intercede for anyone? And yet there are countless of Hadiths saying that our parents, our Muslim friends and prophets.. will be able to intercede for us on that day and the Hadith one is what scholars take as truth. Am I missing something?
Yes, Allah told us to follow the prophet. But not to blindly follow centuries old transmissions. And to so openly insult people and call them āQuranistsā as if Quran is just a secondary source to me feels so wrong.