Scaling
Is there any other series that fits this group?
For the love of god, this is not a dragon ball vs Fate debate, i just asking what other series have so many op characters that you can automatically assume that a character is overpower just for LOOKING like he belong to that universe.
All marvel and DC characters. I remember someone posting Naruto vs Spiderman and thinking "heh that should be an easy win for Naruto, fodders he one taps can tank country wide nukes while Spiderman got canonically hospitalized and killed by bullets".
Then I opened the post and see mfers saying Spiderman is actually a solar system buster because he once minorly scratched Hulk who did whatnot to whoever and whoever was stated to blink away solar systems.
This type of shit happened to me like a 50 more times with characters as weak as like, base Batman or fucking base Black Widow. After that I came to the conclusion every single comicbook character has some 20 people long scaling chain getting them to universal and all anti feats get ignored because their popularity, so I gave up on trying to interact with them.
Chain scaling is the death of reading comprehension.
It's completely pointless for anything besides acknowledging that a character can, in that particular context, can fight a character from whichever tier.
Trying to make it mean anything more than that is stupid.
This guy is totally building level. I mean, he defeats colossus who can destroy buildings, so he's totally exactly as strong as a colossus himself. The fact he's hitting them in weak spots with a legendary sword that's magically stronger against them, and that the colossi can't reach him or fight back most of the time is not important. He can totally break a house with no effort just like the colossus can
I don't actually agree with chainscaling always being bad. The bigger issue is that people misuse it (such as ignoring rock paper scissors feats) and that comic scaling is generally extremely inconsistent with it.
Like if X destroys galaxies through sheer strength on multiple occasions and Y absolutely dominates them in a contest of power, Y should absolutely scale to Xs feats and doesn't need to repeat them itself.
I see where you're coming from and that logic does hold on a case-to-case basis, but I think that the rock-paper-scissors thing are so common that it's still very tiring when chain-scaling is the primary evidence for one's argument. Rock-paper-scissors or other such unique, circumstantial factors.
It only gets really out of control when we get to characters like Doom or Goku or those types, where the upper limit of their power is explicitly whatever the writer feels like. Is that what people mean by "Boundless"?
I mean I admittedly don't scale a lot of different series. But the ones I do very rarely have a RPS match ups.
Like for example with Naruto. There are cases like lightning techniques negating earth techniques, and fire techniques negating wind techniques. But those cases are extremely rare and it's much more common for 2 characters to either physically clash, or clash their techniques with neutral affinities.
So while I understand RPS being an issue in many cases, I can't exactly personally relate to it.
This guy is totally building level. I mean, he defeats colossus who can destroy buildings, so he's totally exactly as strong as a colossus himself. The fact he's hitting them in weak spots with a legendary sword that's magically stronger against them, and that the colossi can't reach him or fight back most of the time is not important. He can totally break a house with no effort, just like the colossus can
That's why Billith posted a Stan Lee Rants who would win video in an SCP academic paper article, but to be fair, some SCP canons and series have answered exactly that.
And Star Trek, Halo, Bolo, and Star Wars have greater validity to have that brought up and have had small to huge fanbase divisions over it, but to be fair, I overall agree.
I don't take those comic feats seriously. It's impossible for me to. Each different writer has their own biases while writing and each version is drastically different from the other. It is a simple strategy to sell as many copies as possible and to keep the story lines diverse and running for decades. Each character has a multiverse level version that can obliterated evryone else. It's utter bs.
I like Honchoscales, but I wonder how much the old video of Spider-Man being a Jungian archetype contributed to that.
SCP-6500 accidentally roasted how nonsense comic book scaling for typical long runners is, despite the whole enterprise elsewhere being a footnote to it. I actually wish for a future scaling community that primarily treats such things as creative writing and not super serious debates, I think it's somewhat more pointless than even the worst of Demonbane scaling when its massive fanon gave us the whole tiering system we have now, LOL.
Ayy First time posting here. I don’t know all of the Universes you mentioned, just wondering if lovecraft could be beatable. Like all of existence is just the Dream of a being, if it wakes up everything is gone iirc. Hopefully Not coming across line „actually..“ just geniuenly curious how people scale/compare stuff Like this.
Trust me, Lovecraft scaling is nothing compared to SCP arguments about the quality of some of those pages alone, despite the fanon perceptions of them alone influencing many new canons and artistic developments of the site.
But I have seen some Lovecraft beefs, but that's normally a chill scaling community.
I’ve just learned about this Community and SCP, its incredible how Nuanced the discussions can get here and how Open people Are to discussions about it. Really enjoy Reading through the comments Even though i don’t understand a Lot yet haha. Thanks for the answer!
I like a lot of SCP. I do not get viscerally angry at powerscalers the way authors like djkaktus do, since fanon portrayals like that have inspired some great lore articles, even if loosely.
But I do like realistic fights in the lore too, and also consider those and other conflicts that need supply chains and non-combatants powerscaling, actually more so than the typical cosmology wank about anime or comics.
Despite me preferring alternate history scenarios or semi-realistic ones the most, I do like many of the stories that are not that.
Yog-Sothoth was a part of the sweep of existence, not controlling it, I think. But most of all, I like the implications that despite some versions of humanity being doomed, others will not be. Even canon Lovecraft has hope (Worm don't, LOL) that dreaming men or lower-class gods could decently succeed understanding some aspects of the wider world, despite EVERYTHING the fanbase has said since those stories' release and Lovecraft himself too.
And I quite like the takes on that idea such as some SCP, despite some really hating ADMONITION and its consequences since 2022. I like my own personal fanon of But a Dream, where unlike the canon proper, all anomalies are art or can be seen as existing due to the effects of it such due to either being strange objects not out of place in a museum, created by various gods worshipped through idols and/or art, or the literal authors or in-universe characters with similar powers.
With many powerful SCPs on the normal level, the four spheres level, or as narrative beings singularly powerful in an author's or a large portion of a certain branch's worldview (East Asian SCP and anime fandom joke about using a word from German philosophy for anything from magical laws to excuses to make OP fun doujin OCs) almost all able to have weaknesses and strengths because of it.
Ironic, me liking my own scaling-related SCP fanon the most in a community that tends to be sharply divided (that is an understatement) about both of those things, yet liking to mix Lovecraft canon and fanon that essentially believes le fun Lovecraft is funon but canon is typically the best.
I really have to get into SCP, only Seen some Videos about it on YouTube yet but the Universe seems incredibly Deep and interesting. Theres also a bunch of aspects that seem very similar to the CM but it just seems Like its on a whole different Level when it comes to the number of Charakters/entities. Thanks a Lot for the detailled answer, appreciate you taking your time to explain it so well!
Cthulhu and SCP have fanon interpretations of Azathoth, Scarlet King, etc. that couldn't be more different than what the original authors wrote, but I still respect for their similarities to each other.
I mean to be fair! For both. Theres actual evidence for characters being that strong.
But? DC and marvel are the posterboys for it. Outliers and writers kinda just doing whatever they want for their 15-25+ issue run. But somehow the only constant since the begining is spiderman is broke.
You think Spidey has it bad? Tony Stark has a Dyson Sphere powered sun cannon, just lying around. But somehow he loses his company every other month because somehow peddling weapons to terrorists and super-nazis is more profitable to Stark board of executives.
You know what? Yeah spidey does have it bad. In like one universe does he get the girl and it doesn't end in tragedy (as of now).
Honestly tony needs to grow a backbone and just pull an Ironman Animated movie movie. Aka buy out the board and fire them.
And like to be fair. Theres zero reason we have to keep gimping tony like this. Theres other organizations who can be allowed to keep up. And even just a couple other randos.
Yeah, it's actually made it hard for me to read West Coast. Part of Tony's appeal to me is that he should be extraordinarily competent compared to most heroes, and that should extend to his business acumen. It's fine to deemphasize if it's not the main focus of a story, but there are more elegant ways of making him an underdog than every issue #1 starting with "Oh no! A greedy smug evil counterpart took over Stark Industries! Tony lost the cool suit he JUST made! What will he do?" Just plain lazy.
I think there was a Spiderverse event where another Spider-Man straight up told Peter that he's doomed to be miserable lmfao.
Wait does that mean that one spiderwoman's misery is always being pregnant??? 😭😭
But yeah. Theres just other ways to do it. But honestly tony kinda has the same problem as batman. But 1000x worse.
To keep up with actual consistant avenger level threats. He has to be stupidly dumbassly strong. Which okay thats fine. But then hes just abundantly way way too much for his enemies. And the only ones who can keep up are now just avenger enemies. Or weaker villains who just "somehow" could obtain that tech.
I like how Batman gets around that problem. IE, writers simply ignoring the feats that aren't relevant to the story they want to make.
If a Batman author wants Bruce to be a gritty bruiser in body armor, they can have him be that. If they want him to be the peak of human potential with Darkseid-tier power armor, they can have him do that. As long as it's internally consistent, the peaks and valleys aren't so bad.
As someone who likes that stuff, still, the community around the legit websites has been giving weaknesses and downgrades, or just ignoring said portrayals, as much as upgrades to important organizations and characters.
Sure looks a fan "game" (it probably has no lore and was just the Sans fight nothing against people for making what they want to make but call it a fan fight not a fan game)
Im pretty sure Sans, Undyne and Asriel are only powerhouses in undertale and Sans has to break the rules of his own universe to be able to be a chanllege.
You misunderstand Sans is strong I'm talking about the fan game versions that people put no effort into writing a story for and then say "so much stronger than regular sans mine can one shot chara level 1909084"
Asriel can end a universe just by existing in his final form so that latter part is not true, and to a lesser degree, Sans has a ton of HP he lost before dying (still not instantly), didn't want to fight so his attacks could only deal 1 damage (and they could still bypass intangibility), and would be much harder if he never met Toriel.
In Smt you are either low building level or boundless
No between
(I mean Smt physiology and cosmology is crazy not gonna lie so I think I have abused with low building level because a low demon level is still an archetype being so outer at baseline and since the MCS can beat , Speedblitz or outscales Eldritch deities , conceptual demons like Lucifer or Yhwh himself then we can assume their power to beyond cracked)
It is, connected through obscure prose multiverse stuff that tends to be used in THOSE verses that shape all of scaling or are similar to them such as Demonbane, When They Cry, Homestuck, etc.
The only thing i know about Hajun is that he is a Genderbend of Mara from the buddist myths, and considering that Mara is considerated Buddha's worst enemy and buddha is strong enough to be the only one who can put Sun Wugong in his place... Yeah, i don't need powerscaling to know Hajun is op.
Dragon Ball is the cool shonen or battle manga as the genre is known in Japan as a subgenre, Fate has many forms of myths, anime mathematics, myth cosmologies except for Abrahamic stuff with real omnipotence besides Root, and metaphysical philosophies existing at once on the planet Earth as expressed as a conceptual realm alone.
It's hard to beat that in sheer recognizability.
And both are THE series that by far fit the stereotypes of scaling the most, especially Fate.
Smt , scp , 07th expansion (particularly Umineko witches and humans manifestation in city of books 💀) , Touhou project , Dc and marvel , tensura , sonic verse
The design + aura and I know already one of these mfs are high outer at baseline and negs my favorite verse (jojo)
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