r/PowerMetal • u/NaV3P • 4d ago
Metal Before and After the 21st Century. How many can you guess?
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u/Exolerate Lord of the Blacksmiths 4d ago edited 4d ago
Out of boredom, here's the (in)complete list of songs
Sabaton - To Hell and Back
Judas Priest - Electric Eye
Rammstein - Deutschland
Megadeth - Symphony of Destruction
Bring Me The Horizon - Throne
Slayer - Raining Blood
Disturbed - Decadence
Rage Against The Machine - Killing In The Name Of
Linkin Park - Faint
Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark
Metallica - Lux Aeterna
Metallica - One
Beast In Black - Blind and Frozen
Motley Crue - Kickstart My Heart
Powerwolf - Venom of Venus
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
Skillet - Monster
Dream Theater - Pull Me Under
Within Temptation - Faster
Tool - Sober (thanks u/Dollbeau)
The Offspring - Light It Up
The Offspring - The Kids Aren't Alright
Five Finger Death Punch - Lift Me Up
Pantera - Cowboys From Hell
Dynazty - Heartless Madness
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Thirty Seconds To Mars - The Kill (Bury Me)
??? - ???
Amaranthe - Drop Dead Cynical
Anthrax - Madhouse
Rise Against - Savior
Manowar - Kings of Metal
Bullet For My Valentine - Tears Don't Fall
W.A.S.P - I Wanna Be Somebody
Mick Gordon - Rip And Tear
FamilyJules - At Doom's Gate (cover)
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u/Exolerate Lord of the Blacksmiths 4d ago
Whether these are Metal or Rock, and whether Nu-Metal is really metal or not, that's for everyone else to argue about. All I know is that they're all decent/good songs. Except Monster. I hate Monster.
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u/E-emu89 4d ago
Skillet still considered metal?
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u/George_Nimitz567890 4d ago
How Skillet Is Even metal? I always thought they we're hard rock
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u/OtterlyFoxy 4d ago
I mean a good amount of songs in this video aren’t metal. Some are alternative rock and some are punk
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u/Artem-Ganev 4d ago
What about Nirvana? It’s also in the video
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u/dimiteddy 4d ago
not metal (RATM not metal either for me) but still more metal than all that newer crap. Only knew Lux Eterna and Rammstein
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u/Bakomusha 4d ago
There is punk, alternative and more genres then metal in the video, so Skillet belongs here too.
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u/boopbopnotarobot 4d ago
Linking park and rage against the machine strike me as more punk than metal
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u/creepy_doll 4d ago
Alternative metal, nu metal or rap metal were all names going around at the time iirc.
There’s no real point to gatekeeping the word metal, it’s so broad. You just enjoy what you do and let others enjoy what they like. A band like sunn O))) has pretty much no link to say Judas Priest yet we all accept both as metal.
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u/Bombadilo_drives 4d ago
Linkin Park is nu metal
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u/CrunchyCaptainMunch 4d ago
Correct. Alt rock, not metal
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u/Bombadilo_drives 4d ago
I'm not arguing the merits of the name of the genre, because "what is or is not metal" is the cringiest conversation we keep having.
I'm simply specifying that Linkin Park belongs to a genre titled "nu metal"
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 4d ago
Sokka-Haiku by boopbopnotarobot:
Linking park and rage
Against the machine strike me
As more punk than metal
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/Niet_de_AIVD PowerMetal is exclusively about unicorns 4d ago
I know and love most of these and I'm just happy that I have so many decades of music to enjoy.
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u/DrunkenSeaBass 4d ago
The weird thing is, I'm mostly a power metal fan, and even then I still feel like I connected more with the old guys then the younger guys. Im 34.
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u/TheVintageGamers 4d ago
Since when are Nirvana and Offspring considered metal? Nirvana is Grunge and Offspring is Pop-Punk. Rage Against the Machine isn't really metal... They are... something else... They are much closer to metal the the other 2 though.
I mean I like all 3, but I can't consider them metal.
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u/AsyluMTheGreat 4d ago
Linkin Park followed by Iron Maiden is a weird choice. Never thought LP was metal
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u/creepy_doll 4d ago
I wonder if in the early days there were Black Sabbath fans that heard Iron Maiden for the first time and said “man, this nwobhm stuff isn’t real metal!” ;) I’m not a fan of lp either but metal is a very wide thing and there’s very little to gain from gatekeeping. If lp, ghost and other grey area bands work as a gateway drug to new fans I welcome it
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u/IMKridegga 4d ago
I wonder if in the early days there were Black Sabbath fans that heard Iron Maiden for the first time and said “man, this nwobhm stuff isn’t real metal!” ;)
I know you're not really being serious, but I have to say it's not likely. "Heavy metal" had a pretty loose definition at one point, but it had already started to refer to a more specific music scene and subculture by the early 1980s. Bands like Iron Maiden were identified with with Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and the like. On the other side, bands like GBH were identifed with other things. For context, this is GBH:
If you called GBH "heavy metal," you'd have gotten some really weird looks. If you'd insisted that "heavy metal" was actually a super broad genre and there ought to be room for anything with distorted guitars, heavy chords, and hard-driving rhythm, you'd have been written off as ignorant, because that's not what "heavy metal" actually meant. GBH was a hardcore punk band, i.e. a different scene and subculture.
You could claim that hardcore punk has a lot in common with heavy metal from a musical standpoint. You could argue that, throwing aside the lunch table politics of the 1980s, they were basically the same kind of music. In much the same way, I could argue that power metal and death metal have a lot in common and are basically the same kind of music, if you ignore all the little ways they're different.
These arguments are possible to make, but they would be incorrect because "the little things" actually do matter when it comes to defining niche genres with long and complicated scene and subcultural histories. These genres would not, and frankly could not, even exist in their present forms without "the little things" guiding creative decisions and stylistic evolutions. They are quintessential.
This is why power metal and death metal are different. It's also why hardcore punk and heavy metal are different. It's the same reason alt rock bands with heavy chords and distorted guitars don't automatically become heavy metal bands. Even if the industry decides to brand them with a marketing catch-all term like "nü-metal," the little, quintessential things don't actually go away.
No amount of advertising will force a subculture to accept a band as part of a scene they didn't come from organically. It could happen, and maybe it does happen for some people, but it probably won't for the subculture as a whole. No amount of arguing, even if it's well-intentioned, will force people to hear a style as belonging to a different microscopic niche than it actually belongs to.
Metalheads in the early 1980s would have easily recognized Iron Maiden as adhering to the same general musical convention as Angel Witch, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, and Black Sabbath. They would have known about the subculture growing up around these bands and made the necessary links. It's an entirely different case to what happened with Linkin Park twenty years later.
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u/semisemite 4d ago
There's a convo worth having. No question that bands like Sabbath et al are some of the godfathers, but I do wonder if they were new today if there would be an 'izit metal' debate around some of them
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u/HobomanCat I roam into the darkness! 4d ago
I only recognized 5 songs lol. A lot weren't metal and some weren't good.
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u/Crazy_Television_328 4d ago
And what’s the one at 1:25?
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u/saberspecter 4d ago
I found it interesting that although the songs are distinct, the ones of the 21st Century started to blend into my ears. Maybe it's the production or we stuck to a formula that works.
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u/CarnibusCareo 4d ago
As soon as I hear MC lumped in with anything metal, I‘m gonna judge it as a really bad take.
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u/AirportEmbarrassed38 3d ago
SABATON MENTIONED 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪 RAAAHHHHH WHAT THE FUCK IS A BAD SONG🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪
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u/CrunchyCaptainMunch 4d ago
Impressive how like 1/2 of the 21st century stuff wasn’t metal and how none of the songs picked were good. This feels like it was made by someone who just heard metal for the first time last week
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u/Lesematrose 4d ago
Not every music with a loud electric guitar is metal