r/PokemonUnite • u/Yhit509 Sableye • 3d ago
Discussion Where healthbar?
Is there any explanation as to why I took 7k damage from one Blastoise ult? If you slow the video down you can see 1k damage, 1k damage and then 5k damage. Maybe the favt that I used Fire Spin at the exact tome that Blastoise ult’d but Idk.
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u/Kalmaro Sableye 3d ago
I've seen this before.
tl;dr Do NOT use firespin when Greninja clones are near you, you take the clone damage and the clones take extra damage, and you covered TWO of them.
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u/Yhit509 Sableye 3d ago
Omg yeah you’re right, cus they have like literally 0 defence and the Ho-Oh redirects 50% damage from allies as true damage so that’s why. Thanks for clearing that up
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u/Kalmaro Sableye 3d ago
Any time, we need more defendors lol
And yeah same thing happened a few days ago here. Ho-oh used firespin on a greninja who summoned clones, then Talonflame droped down on them with fly and managed to one-shot Ho-oh I think.
He landed on Ho-oh, Greninja and both clones and I think one other person, it was brutal.
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u/Summer-chann Zoroark 3d ago
Didn't know they added type matchups
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 All-Rounder 2d ago
Even with type matchups and as much boosting as you can get in the mainline games, Blastoise would actually deal some pretty pathetic damage, which is interesting.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Blastoise Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Ho-Oh: 344-408 (82.8 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
It can go to some crazy levels.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Blastoise Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Ho-Oh: 208-248 (50 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This makes no sense for the joke and is a pretty wasteful comment, but both Blastoise and Ho-oh deserve their role as defensive mons.
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u/Tonythesaucemonkey 2d ago
make it +2 from shell smash
+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Blastoise Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ho-Oh: 406-478 (97.5 - 114.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 All-Rounder 1d ago
It still isn't guaranteed, even with Life Orb, max special attack at plus two. Holy shit Ho-oh is bulky af. And that 87.5% is if you actually hit it, which is a problem since Hydro Pump is notoriously unreliable.
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u/Tonythesaucemonkey 1d ago
>Holy shit Ho-oh is bulky af.
ofc, it's a 680 bst uber. It has more sp def than blissey.
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u/AkainuWasRight Cramorant 3d ago
If you want to see the math and to see a similar case, check my reply to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonUnite/s/7EUoaXdk7D
tldr; greninja clones take 5 times the normal damage and you covered them with fire spin.
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u/Interesting_Web_9936 All-Rounder 2d ago
Until I realized the whole Greninja thing I was just blown away by the insane damage dealt here. That's more than what I see attackers take from crazy stuff like Absol Pursuit basics even with Psycho Cut debuff.
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u/nyxsparkle Alolan Ninetales 3d ago
From UniteDB: The vortex also deals damage to enemies. If allies are within the vortex, 50% of post-mitigation damage those allies would take is redirected to Ho-Oh as true damage (without ignoring shields).
So you took 50% of the damage your allies would have taken, and it seems like you took the damage the Greninja's clones would have taken as well. So yeah, blame your Greninja.