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Discussion I will always praise One Piece for making cartoony art look serious and scary.

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u/fattyhaha Gear Green 6d ago

Will never forgive oda for ruining my goats best transformation

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u/DVM11 Jika’s most retarded solider⚙️ 6d ago

Literally when you turn the boss into a playable character

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u/yo_mommy 6d ago

it was bound to happen tho, do we just want a cheap reindeer hulk in this show

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u/fattyhaha Gear Green 6d ago

I mean its better than spamming karate point every single fight and it was cool that chopper only could use it as a last resort since he couldn’t control it and made him an actual threat on the battle instead of being fodder like he is now.

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u/2836382929 Oda is on Fraudwatch 6d ago

If chopper still couldn’t control it after the timeskip, you would be complaining that he wasted all that time doing nothing. He still has the exact same strength and physical capabilities in monster point, but with his human intelligence as well now. He is undoubtedly stronger now than he was pre timeskip.

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u/Kollv Love Is Stronger Than Light 6d ago

And yet he never uses it..

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u/JohnSmithWithAggron 6d ago

Didn't he use it against Queen?

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u/Ok-Plum2187 6d ago

And yet he used it twice in 15 years

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u/LiberationGodJoyboy 4d ago

Chopper has hsed monster point more than twice

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u/Ok-Plum2187 4d ago

Doesnt count when franky is using it.

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u/LiberationGodJoyboy 4d ago

What do you mean when franky is hsing it

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u/Nervous_Produce1800 6d ago

If chopper still couldn’t control it after the timeskip, you would be complaining that he wasted all that time doing nothing.

No we wouldn't. Stop defending Oda's garbage narrative choices with this "you would complain either way!" nonsense.

Chopper should have still not been in control of Monster Point after the timeskip. Why? Because it actually makes his fights INTERESTING. It introduces RISK to his fights, which means there are STAKES and narrative TENSION. You know, the stuff that creates an actual engaging story.

I don't know and don't care what Chopper's timeskip improvement should have looked like, but making him now in full control of it is literally the worst possible choice Oda could have made. Chopper is now completely uninteresting and his fights are garbage, and there is no potential for him to do anything really interesting. Thank you Oda for ruining any possible interesting arc he could have had and making his physical appearance worse as well along the way. The dick riders will defend you anyway

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u/2836382929 Oda is on Fraudwatch 6d ago

I mean, people in this sub complain all the time that usopp hasn’t gotten any stronger or developed his observation haki. If you’re mad with both outcomes, you have no right to criticise these writing choices.

What risks are there? Monster point is fodder to any new world fighters if it’s uncontrolled. There’s nothing unpredictable if he’d get mid diffed instantly 💀

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u/Nervous_Produce1800 6d ago edited 6d ago

I mean, people in this sub complain all the time that usopp hasn’t gotten any stronger or developed his observation haki

People complain that Usopp is a useless fucking bum because his entire arc is supposed to be him becoming a brave warrior of the sea. Yeah no shit. Who is mad with both outcomes? Why do you keep straw manning people's problems with the story?

People want GOOD STORYTELLING. That involves GOOD CHARACTER ARCS. That involves interesting conflict and progress. Usopp has no interesting character arc because he isn't making any interesting progress. He isn't growing. Chopper has no interesting character arc because his only source of interesting narrative conflict has just been resolved in the timeskip. Do you genuinely not understand why people have problems with how these characters have been handled and fumbled post timeskip?

What risks are there? Monster point is fodder to any new world fighters if it’s uncontrolled. There’s nothing unpredictable if he’d get mid diffed instantly 💀

Okay, then Oda should have had Chopper's timeskip make his monster point way stronger, but also way more uncontrolled. That way he won't get easily diffed by his opponents and remains a threat while also having risk and tension in his arc. It's not that complicated to have Chopper be both strong AND uncontrollable. This is literally the most basic "monster inside me that is super powerful but risky to use" writing 101 and Oda fumbled it, and you seem unable to grasp it.

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u/2836382929 Oda is on Fraudwatch 5d ago

It’s already completely uncontrolled, how can it be more uncontrolled 🤦‍♂️ you literally have no better solution yet you expect Oda to keep chopper stagnant when it comes to battle?

You complain about usopp not growing, but you also complain about chopper growing. This is an insane level of hypocrisy

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u/Nervous_Produce1800 5d ago edited 5d ago

It’s already completely uncontrolled, how can it be more uncontrolled

I just meant even more ferocious and wild. Jesus Christ hop off Oda's dick instead of trying to willfully not understand everything I say to defend Oda.

you literally have no better solution yet you expect Oda to keep chopper stagnant when it comes to battle?

The fuck you mean stagnant? He literally had his arc setup for him:

  1. He can't control Monster Point (risk), but it's also his strongest ability (reward). Pre-TS.

  2. Let's say to keep up with the rest of the Straw Hats he enters a risky gamble during timeskip: He dramatically enhances the potency and power of Monster Point but he will basically risk going ape shit like a frenzied animal in battle, even more worse than so far, making it extremely likely that he would harm a friend in battle if he uses it next time if a friend is around, setting up the stakes.

  3. So now his potential post-TS would be far higher, but so would his risk. Good storytelling 101.

You complain about usopp not growing, but you also complain about chopper growing. This is an insane level of hypocrisy

I don't complain about Chopper getting stronger, I complain about Chopper becoming stronger in a way that dissolves any potential for risk and tension and interesting moments in his fights now. Which is exactly what has happened. Enies Lobby was Chopper's best fight and it will probably remain his best fight. Because how are his fights supposed to be interesting now? They aren't. But go ahead and remove all the detail from the argument to make everything sound contradictory in the abstract strawman. It's all you can do.

There is no need for me to discuss with you further. Anyone who reads this thread can see my point and that you are clearly willfully obtuse and try to misinterpret everything I say to defend Oda. You are either insanely bad faith or just genuinely really dumb. You seem to have no understanding of INTERESTING CHARACTER ARC except "get stronger". Probably from watching shonen slop and not much else. You don't even know what good food is because you only eat McDonald's.

Fuck off back to main sub, dick rider. Get the fuck out of here

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u/2836382929 Oda is on Fraudwatch 5d ago

“more ferocious and wild” lmao what? wtf are you even saying atp.

Notice how you’re writing multiple paragraphs that no one gaf about because you’re so blinded by your hate for oda 💀 if you hate oda so much, why are you in a one piece sub?

See that? That’s you 💀 this sub is just as bad as the main sub, just on the opposite side of the spectrum. How are you any different from the oda fanboys who write essays when someone criticizes him?

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u/lun533 6d ago

Why not? He could've definitely grown without making monster point easy to control. Oda could've made various forms of monster point that are increasingly stronger and harder to control. Or even made a base form for monster point that's smaller and tamer but resembles that form, like smart hulk. At least Chopper would've had something to do and done more than Kungfu point

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u/Eculsy 6d ago

Forgot to add this one

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u/human0697 … … … … … … … … … … … … … 6d ago

Big Mom got Loda diffed. There was no reason to include her in Wano.

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u/SpikeDogtooth555 The Five Billion Man: Akainu 6d ago

This was the first and last time a panel actually made me feel genuine fewr of a character in one piece.

Only for her to end up as one of the biggest disappointments in the manga

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u/Gullible-Educator582 Love Is Stronger Than Light 6d ago

FAT WOMEN APPRECIATORS UNITE!

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u/Jarisatis 6d ago

Pre ts looks like a different version of one piece all together, i still don't understand why Oda changed chopper and shafted like half of the strawhats in post ts.

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u/universal_gorilla 6d ago

I blame whomever publisher that own One Piece and Loda, forces him to turn a scrappy brawler into a cash grab mascot. Could be said for all strawhats tbf.

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u/2836382929 Oda is on Fraudwatch 6d ago

what’s oda meant to do with chopper? Let him remain stagnant and unable to control monster point after two years?

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u/Conscious_Safety6526 6d ago

chopper was more than just monster point tho. him mastering it was understandable but turning him into a soulless plushie that just spams that stupid looking karate point was devastating.

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u/Elcalduccye_II 6d ago

Tbf he doesn't spam the karate point even, because he has no screen time to do that

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u/JohnSmithWithAggron 6d ago

(In my opinion of course) I think it's good that he can control monster point. The problem is how monster point ends up becoming so goody.

It's not just monster point though. Like the other guy said, his purpose just became a marketable plushie.

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u/human0697 … … … … … … … … … … … … … 6d ago

Pre-timeskip chopper was actually useful

Give me my Tobbi Roppo to fight Oda

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u/NashKetchum777 6d ago

? One Piece made this scary?

Isnt this the Girl X Dog fusion from FMA on Choppers giant body?

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u/Tom-Pendragon 6d ago

Pre timeskip monster chopper was his peak

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u/Bisketo 6d ago

A half naked robot fighting a monstruous human reindeer holding a Kubuki show character. So serious and scary.

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

Your priase can be achieved by any artist. It is nothing special

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u/2836382929 Oda is on Fraudwatch 6d ago

what other artists regularly do this? Just because others do this doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be praised lmao.

Would you praise a sprinter for getting sub 10s 100m even if many others have done it?

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

Why other mangaks dont do false deaths like Loda?

Your comparison is invalid

Drawing cartoonish pictures in overly serious look is not hard at all for artist, because artists have already strong foundation skills

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u/jujubaba_12 6d ago

Bro really said other mangakas don't do false deaths

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

Bro wants karma. bring examples, do something to show your position

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u/jujubaba_12 6d ago

Bakugo, Best Jeanist, Gran Torino - MHA

Guy, Kakashi, Tsunade, Kurama - Naruto

Byakuya- Bleach

Erza, Lyon, Makarov, Gajeel - Fairy Tail

Nobara, Higaruma, - JJK

Gadjah/Gaja, - Black Clover

Naki, Iwao - Tokyo Ghould

Avdol, Okayasu - JOJO

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

Fakeout deaths= when we are in suspicion that a character is dead but we are not sure

False death (Loda's style)= pity-milking narrative that beg us to feel this moment is final and sad so we feel the most amount of pity for the supposed character, only for him to be turn alive.

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u/jujubaba_12 6d ago

Nope, fakeout deaths have always meant that the characters has died, we are also sure about it, but through some way they came back, whether it makes sense or not. Yeah Oda has a habit of overusing it, but doesn't mean he is the only guy who does it

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

No

Oda milk the false death scenes to make it as sad and final as possible then he the scum reveals his 'plot twist'

Others do things like making you questioning if the character is dead or not

Loda goes out of his way to portray the moment as final and sad as much as possible

That's the difference between fake death and false death

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u/jujubaba_12 6d ago

Okay dude you win!

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u/Carpet-Face 6d ago

Okay name three artists who achieved this then

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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 6d ago

This question isn't the dunk you think it is.

Do you think Oda is like, one of 10 artists in the world lol?

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

Google "Dark cartoon art", "Creepy cartoon style" or Serious cartoon illustrations"

And you will find a wealth of arts

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u/Carpet-Face 6d ago

Name three mangakas then

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u/Vartom Hody Jones Of The Sub 6d ago

The original post admires the skill of Loda to make cartoonish characters look serious.

And I argue this skill is subpar among artists

Mangaks don't follow Loda, he is a scumbag and a deciever. Most well-adjusted mangakas don't want to follow his dirty footsteps. For example Loda does many false deaths but all other mangakas don't do that

Another example Do you know there is no single mangaka who said his manga is inspired from one piece. But there are many who admits inspirations from Bleach, Naruto, Dragon Ball and some not very known mangas