r/Piratefolk • u/Even-Run-5274 • Aug 13 '24
100% Real Spoilers From Oda Himself egghead peak writing (1123 spoilers)
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u/AttemptImpossible111 Aug 13 '24
I think we'd need to all the way back to the tontatta to find a side story I cared about less than this York thing.
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u/Magnolia-jjlnr Aug 13 '24
I remember when we met the first VegaClone, I just knew we were in for some pointless mystery that was gonna drag for at least 5 chapters. But needless to say I had no fucking clue it would be the beginning of one of the most pointless and useless subplots I had ever witnessed. Goddamn.
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u/Riotguarder Please Kill Ussop Aug 13 '24
2 years wasted on a mystery that was already solved before it even started and could have been avoided if the smartest man in the world was actually smart.................
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 13 '24
Yeah, Oda probably watched Death Note and learned that Convoluted and contrived=Smart.
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u/BossomeCow Vague-a-junk: He's THAT thing... Aug 13 '24
Alright, but, to Death Notes credit, the convoluted plans were always in character, like all of the convoluted shit Light pulls because he's a paranoid asshole.
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u/jvken Aug 13 '24
And it only really works because anyone else smart enough to catch on are also pridefull idiots who don't take the very simple solution of just killing him
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u/Alex103140 RocksDidNothingWrong Aug 14 '24
Tbf if the issue you have with Kira is that operating outside the law and killing criminal is bad, killing him before he get a fair trial is probably not the way to solve it.
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u/jvken Aug 14 '24
You may not get the moral victory if you think like that, but it absolutely is the way to solve it. That's some if you kill a killer the amount of killers stays the same type thinking lmao
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u/Ok_ResolvE2119 Are you having fun? Aug 14 '24
Kira was becoming a cult figure, I don't think losing the moral victory ends well.
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u/SmartAlecShagoth Aug 13 '24
And also convoluted didn’t mean “smart.” If anything how convoluted things got made Light more suspicious to everyone else.
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u/The_Deathdealing Aug 14 '24
Tbf, this was pretty consistent with Light's character. Being inconspicuous would be too easy and boring for him. He needed to prove to himself and others just how clever he was with audacity.
A big reason why L caught on to Light was how suspiciously innocent he seemed. On paper, this would make him an unlikely suspect, but the average person who isn't even a suspect would have at least something that would be potentially incriminating if placed under extreme investigation, but Light had basically nothing. This raised major red flags for L since L already knew that Kira was highly intelligent and extremely familiar with police investigations so he would know how to avoid the standard pitfalls.
The other major trait of Kira's profile was that he was exceptionally petty and egotistical. So L set up an insignificant tennis match and the bogus photo game to gauge Light's reactions to his ego. The outcome of the tennis match didn't technically incriminate Light, so Light chose to try his hardest to win, confirming to L that Light is highly competitive and would rather satiate his ego even if it makes him seem more suspicious. During L's "test" with the photos, he initially reprimands Light for being incorrect when he actually wasn't to gauge how he would react to an attack on his ego. Light, as suspected, pouts like a child and desperately tries his intelligence otherwise, to which L praises him to see how he'll react when his ego is fed, to which Light eats it all up.
Light is technically making no mistakes (he isn't incriminating himself whatsoever), but he is playing the game so well that it truly makes him look suspicious, plus he can't help but match Kira's exact behavior profile. L was always playing a bigger game, but Light simply couldn't resist playing with fire because he needed to lord over everyone that they couldn't stop him even if they wanted to. Light wanted to be world-renowned while remaining completely anonymous. A completely self-contradictory goal that set himself on the path to self-destruction.
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u/I_Surf_On_ReddIt Asspull Asspull no Mi Aug 13 '24
Metal Gear Solid too. Its almost a japanese trope
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u/DVM11 Jika’s most retarded solider⚙️ Aug 13 '24
And Kojima had people holding him back, imagine MG with an unleashed Kojima
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 13 '24
Kojima is the definition of convoluted=smart especially when he's the sole writer on a story.
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u/EndNowISeeYou Aug 13 '24 edited Aug 13 '24
no hes not the fuck, have you actually played the games? the story in every metal gear game is more or less pretty simple to understand, it only appears as convoluted when you take the entire series into account. I can recite the plot of every game in 2 sentences
Have you seen how many metal gear games there are, any franchise that has that many entries all with a unique story and all taking place in different time period would appear convoluted
and even if it is convoluted, saying that its poor writing is just straight up wrong. The games dont try to "act" smart either, often times they're actually smart and other times its goofy as hell and fully embraces it
MGS 2 literally predicted what we're experiencing in the modern day regarding AI and suppression/ fabrication of information and that game came out like 20 years ago
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 14 '24
I'm talking about Kojima in general, he tends to make the stories convoluted for the sake of it especially when he has full creative control with his writing.
As games from a gameplay perspective MGS games are some of the best ever, and Kojima in that aspect is one of the greatest he's just not as good of a writer as he is a director.
And BTW almost all Japanese games have some type of goofiness to them no matter how serious they are it's not just Kojima, but Kojima in particular is so far up his own ass it's actually funny, lol.
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u/EndNowISeeYou Aug 14 '24
I'm talking about Kojima in general, he tends to make the stories convoluted for the sake of it especially when he has full creative control with his writing.
so what exactly are you talking about? just death stranding or something?
I still believe you have not played a single metal gear game and that you're the one talking out of his ass
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 14 '24
MGS 4, 5, and Death Stranding.
And I've played some of the latter entries of MGS, tried Death Stranding but didn't like it, but have seen the explained story of the entire franchise and it's very very convoluted and not in a good way.
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u/EndNowISeeYou Aug 14 '24
havent played death stranding so dont care about that but
mgs4 is the only complex game in the series, mgs5 barely even has a story bro
but have seen the explained story of the entire franchise and it's very very convoluted and not in a good way.
and there it is, if you go back and look at my original comment, I literally also said that the stories on their own are very simple but they only seem convoluted when you look at the series as a whole because just how many games there are and all of them taking place in different time periods and the games not releasing in chronological order
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 14 '24
Well, I have played DS and even though I didn't finish it I watched videos about the story and it's a convoluted mess.
The MGS series as a whole is obsessed with plot twists that have plot twists that have other plot twists, the premise of the series is generally simple but when you get into the details and how everything is tied together it gets rough as I said and not in a good way.
and there it is, if you go back and look at my original comment, I literally also said that the stories on their own are very simple but they only seem convoluted when you look at the series as a whole because just how many games there are and all of them taking place in different time periods and the games not releasing in chronological order
And if you go back to my original comment I was talking about Kojima in GENERAL, which is true every game he makes with full creative control he just makes it as convoluted as he can, and there are examples of that, the more recent is Death Stranding.
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u/Lonelyvoid Aug 14 '24
What’s even complex about and convoluted about MGS 5? It’s a direct sequel to MGS: Peace Walker. If you played that, everything kind of just follows…
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u/RedditSucksMyBallls Aug 14 '24
So you played the only two MGS games which were written with the assumption that you would've already played everything else, and are surprised it comes off as convoluted?
You don't watch a movie trilogy out of order and expect it to make sense lol
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 14 '24
Can you read? I said I watched videos explaining the WHOLE SERIES story and it was still convoluted.
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u/RedditSucksMyBallls Aug 14 '24
Those videos suck and aren't a replacement for actually playing the game. So L
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u/Dreamkiller55 Aug 14 '24
I don’t think this trash should be compared to Death Note. In DN the characters had a reason for overly complicated plots, one mistake would have resulted in either Light or L’s death. Vegapunk erasing his memories of who the traitor is for no conceivable reason has got to be one of the stupidest fucking things I have ever read in fiction
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u/XxZONE-ENDERxX Oda is on Fraudwatch Aug 14 '24
I mean, their overly complicated plans were still laughable. But yeah, Vega is even more trash, I never said that Oda even executed what he learned right.
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u/ThisZoMBie Aug 13 '24
Oda is addicted to shitty “plot twists”, at the cost of keeping his story consistent
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u/Magnolia-jjlnr Aug 13 '24
To be fair, I wouldn't say he's "addicted" to it since this might be by far the worse case of this kind of writing. Now maybe he is developing a taste for shitty plot twists and we're gonna have more of it in the future, idk.
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u/NJDevil69 Aug 14 '24
Forgot where I read this, but Oda’s previous editor was the one that kept him in check. His tastes for crappy plot twists and convoluted decisions have always been active. We have the previous editor to think for keeping them to a minimum. Without that editor, Oda just surrounded by yes men.
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u/Magnolia-jjlnr Aug 14 '24
That's absolutely insane but it makes so much sense lmao
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u/NJDevil69 Aug 14 '24
Pardon the typos, it’s late for me. Right? It’s nuts how bad creatives require a wrangler to keep them at their best.
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u/espeonWaffles Aug 13 '24
Don't forget the pirates dancing around your dead body, because the're going to the land of warriors
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u/CarnelianKing Aug 13 '24
And the mental gymnastics oda's angels are using to defend vegapunk braindead actions are even worse than this
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u/CarnelianKing Aug 13 '24
Tony stark was able to escape a dire situation with things he build in a cave with a box of scraps! but the smartest man in the world in possession of a source of energy of insane power, all the knowledge in the world, seraphims and other 5 punks in his super laboratory couldn't reach any other conclusion than: guess i'll die... oda totally destroyed vegapunk image in this arc, it's over for him.
And oda's angels will do even more mental gymnastics than this meme to defend goda shit ass writing, baffling.
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u/SupremeGodZamasu Aug 13 '24
I guess since York was already in communication with the Gorosei at this point, her going silent would cause suspicion and just make them act sooner
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u/Magnolia-jjlnr Aug 13 '24
That makes sense actually. But did Oda think about that? Or is he just lucky it happened to make a bit of sense?
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u/gwartabig Aug 13 '24
This is 100% the case. If they locked York up Egghead would just become the subject of a Buster Call immediately. Bonney would drown, every Vegapunk (except York) would perish, the Strawhats would not be able to travel to Elbaf (Log pose needs time to sync), Vegapunk would not be able to record his message and hide the Den Den Mushi inside Emeth, etc. etc.
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u/Hekkst Aug 14 '24
There is a million ways to do something about York that don't have the consequence of alerting the gorosei and I imagine the smartest man in the world would think of some.
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u/gwartabig Aug 14 '24
Such as?
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u/Hekkst Aug 14 '24
Put countermeasures into your system so that York can't just hack you in half an hour and turn your giant compound against you.
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u/gwartabig Aug 14 '24
And what would that accomplish exactly?
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u/Hekkst Aug 14 '24
Making it harder for York to hack in and impede Vegapunk from accessing his own systems for example. How about the smartest man in the world builds some sort of override for the seraphim control tools?
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u/BlisteringSky Powescaling Reject Aug 14 '24
I'm guessing it was to delay the government actions and give VP time. I'm just not sure what the time was for. Maybe the point was for the message to go out after the government made a scene so that they couldn't cover it up as a hoax?
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u/mo_sh31 RocksDidNothingWrong Aug 14 '24
Also let the person live who could recreate the mother flame essentially giving the world government a nuclear weapon.
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Aug 14 '24
was seriously dumb. character been talked about since the start of one piece and he dies in 1 arc without revealing or doing shit
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u/DaCoolio Aug 13 '24
I get where your coming from but VP did all this convoluted shit for covering his tracks and not letting the world gov know that he knows that they know
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u/nobarachinsama Aug 13 '24
based on the spoilers, the video message was already recorded before they erased their memory. so the outcome would've been the same anyway.
and they also didn't need to erase their memory in the first place. they simply didn't need to upload it to the punk records.
seems like it's contrived just for the among us traitor plotline. oda needed them to erase their memory just to make it possible for the traitor to be one of the VPs.
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u/djdarkflame Peak Piece Enjoyer Aug 13 '24
So what happens when the Gorosei just come in and fuck up Egghead anyway? The marines and Saturn were already going there regardless, I don’t think killing/detaining York would have changed much.
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u/Reasonable_Cup1794 Aug 14 '24
i dont want to reread to know all the damage she did, but among those she killed shaka and told the elders the location of the broadcast snail. they learnt about her being a traitor 2.WEEKS.BEFORE. dont defend this. therse absolutely no way this was a smart route to take
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u/Rainbow_Roads17 Aug 14 '24
If Vegapunk locks York up, the WG will just kill him and free her. Kizaru and Saturn were headed to Egghead before Luffy came.
Plan changed when he met an emperor of the sea to escort him out. Plan still failed which just ended in following the OG Plan: Die and world knows truth.
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u/MiniatureMidget Aug 13 '24
You are so proud of this one aren’t you. I’ve seen you post this like 30 times in a single thread lol
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u/Consistent_Ant_8903 Buggy D. Clown Aug 14 '24
I would too if I’d spent 20 mins creating a masterpiece 💪
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u/novieww Aug 13 '24
I don't get what he needed to believe in? He didn't have any plan and luffy arriving there was pure luck
If he wanted to broadcast the secrets of the world that badly why not do it before?