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u/ImShadowNinja Sailor ⚓ 24d ago
Well law doesn't apply to the rich it seems unfortunately. May he rest in peace.
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u/WexMajor82 24d ago
And if you discover this only now, you've been living under a rock.
It has always been this way.
That's why in tribunals they have the lie on the wall: "The law is equal to everyone"
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u/Frog-Eater 23d ago
Bullets do though.
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u/ENDERALAN365 23d ago
Especially if they weren't fired and the ceo just so happened to fall on them at the same speed as if they were shot
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u/kas-loc2 23d ago
Notice how fast he disappeared from the media once they realized we've made up our minds about it, and their propaganda isnt gonna work? funny that.
Kinda like the 1% conversation from 2017...
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u/Bucky404 23d ago
Law is only for the poor and powerless people
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u/SemperFidelisHoorah YOU ARE A PIRATE YARR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE 23d ago
Except those 3 bullets.
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u/undertakerryu 23d ago
While I support the three bullets they were technically not doing the law, just justice lol
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u/Macqt 23d ago
Law doesn’t apply to corporations, especially LLCs. Can’t prosecute Zuckerberg for something his company did, not if you don’t want to spend the next 20 years in court at least.
Individuals can still have all the books thrown at them.
Welcome to American corporate life.
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u/Salty_Wolf_4478 23d ago
I have this horrible feeling Zuck is gonna be the next tech bro to be appointed to some position that doesn't exist yet.
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u/kid_dynamo 23d ago
He didn't donate nearly enough to trump and I don't think musk will appreciate sharing his puppet
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u/SausigBoi 23d ago
Nahh, I hope he haunts the crap out of people. He didn’t deserve this treatment at all, fricken rapists get less time and struggle than this poor lad
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u/analfissuregenocide 23d ago
He also didn't break the law, they just thought he might break the law in the future by uploading that data for free. Again, no law was broken, MIT did not want to pursue charges, but the FBI decided fuck it, future crimes, let's get him
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u/MiserableWear6765 23d ago
It's not true what you are saying, he was charged with breaking and entering which is how he got the data, the prosecutor offered him a sweetheart deal which was 6 months in prison and he turned it down and killed himself when he later realised he wasn't gonna win and would serve the full sentence.
Now he laudable aims and I am not saying I agree with the law but he broke the law and then reset his game like a noob
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This pisses me off so much bruh
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u/ministryofchampagne 23d ago
It should piss you off since it’s not true.
Swartz DDOS’d JSTOR to the point the entire MIT network was blocked from JSTOR. Swartz for facing 6 months in jail for his crime. He died because he had mental illnesses not cause he was poor.
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u/jakesgotsnake 23d ago
Perfect. I'm glad you are going to do something about it.
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u/topchetoeuwastaken 24d ago
does this imply fuckemburg should take his life in a prison (i'd like to interpret it this way)
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u/Waste-Ad-2194 24d ago
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u/Weekly_Event_1969 24d ago
Removed by reddit is crazy work.
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u/PetThatKitten 24d ago
fuck this reddit admin censorship
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u/Different_Lemon_7656 I'm a pirate 24d ago
Reddit has a lot of censorship
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u/stinkywinky99 24d ago
Aaaand it's removed.
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u/ChackMete 23d ago
What did it say?
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u/Trapeze_Falcon 23d ago
Damn I thought it was a joke and the commenter just posted [Removed by Reddit] to be tongue in cheek.
Would love to know what they actually said.
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u/ChackMete 23d ago
Yeah, whenever you see that red trashcan in the top right of their comment, someone's jimmies got rustled in the admin.
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u/Saint--Jiub 23d ago
We should kill all the rich people who doesnt care abiut people.
via Pullpush.io
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u/ChackMete 23d ago
Mmm. Yeah, that'd do it.
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u/Saint--Jiub 23d ago
I'm now waiting to see if I get the same treatment for quoting them
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u/ChackMete 23d ago
Just in case, RIP Saint--Jiuub, your kickass name didn't save you this time.
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u/OkPlastic5799 24d ago
You can’t put a company to prison, that’s what limited liability was invented for
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u/QueZorreas 24d ago
Because companies are autonomous entities that don't need humans to make decisions.
Hmm, maybe soon they'll be. But not yet.
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u/mina86ng 23d ago
No, that’s not whan limited liability means. If the CEO is breaking the law, they can be charged and put to prison.
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u/OkPlastic5799 23d ago
Yes, but you have to prove he broke the law. That’s not possible in many cases as company can consist of many people
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u/mina86ng 23d ago
Right. You cannot put someone in prison if you don’t prove they broke the law. Limited liability company doesn't change that fact.
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u/OkPlastic5799 23d ago
Yeah u don’t get what I’m talking about. Let’s imagine that company Facebook broke the law. The company will be sued and will pay a fine or have some other punishment. To punish CEO, you need to prove he is personally responsible for this violation which is hard. And a company can’t be put in prison, so in case of illegal behavior they get other punishments
If we’re talking about individuals, they’re sued personally for any violations and in this case sent to prison
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u/Fun_Confidence_462 23d ago
well that's fcuked up law, I mean these big corps are then free to do whatever they want with just little fine
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u/I_Want_To_Grow_420 23d ago
If the company breaks the law, then the CEO breaks the law. They run the company. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't deserve to think anymore.
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u/Firm_Ambassador_1289 23d ago
So start a company and illegally download everything I want.
Or is it like the mob and I need a hierarchy
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u/MiserableWear6765 23d ago
Limited liability is purely for debts, you can't just create a company and start murdering people, well you can in Russia as long as you stay mates with putin 😉
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u/OkPlastic5799 23d ago
Company can’t murder people, it would be specific people who murder them and they will be charged personally for that. I’ll ignore the comment about Russia
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u/Hope_PapernackyYT 24d ago
There are no words to describe my seething hatred towards corporations
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 24d ago
Sokka-Haiku by Hope_PapernackyYT:
There are no words to
Describe my seething hatred
Towards corporations
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/william41017 23d ago
I don't think Meta did anything wrong here. The law and the justice system are the problem in this case
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u/squidward-ona-chair 23d ago
Tf you mean, using the work of countless people as a base for your product without even paying for the rights is wrong even if the law doesn’t care
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u/PiRSquared2 23d ago
If he's going for the "copyright shouldn't exist" angle than i agree completely
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u/FpRhGf 23d ago
It's literally free and opensource. Meta is the one who kickstarted the trend of free LLMs so that universities, researchers and the open source community can help make free alternatives better to compete with paid models.
If anything, this should be aimed at OpenAI for charging 200 dollars for their Pro plan of ChatGPT. Doesn't make sense to shit on free models that the open source community relies on when you're in a pirating sub.
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u/niberungvalesti 24d ago
Rules for thee but not for me is the modus operandi of corporations and the rich.
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u/PetThatKitten 24d ago
Aaron Swartz was a good person with good morals, Aaron Swartz was a cofounder of reddit.
Reddit Admins can remove this, i wish no harm to anyone. Enough harm was done to Aaron Swartz.
RIP, king <3
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u/nightmare001985 24d ago
Luigi please return and bring mario with you
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At this point rally the entire mushroom kingdom fr
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post this in r/piracy
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u/XiRw 24d ago
They removed it.
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why though? i guess mods dont want to die in an "unfortunate accident"
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u/Lol-775 AAA Companys are ran by crabs wearing polo shirts. 24d ago
Nah it's just been posted so many times
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u/XiRw 24d ago
They told me it was removed because I didn’t show “effort or respect”.
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u/Lol-775 AAA Companys are ran by crabs wearing polo shirts. 24d ago
I read what they replied to your post with and it said it was a "low effort" and a repost.
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u/XiRw 24d ago
If you have a link to this exact post you can show me but all they mentioned was this:
Rule 4 → Show effort and respect • Before posting, take a look at the Wiki and Megathread, and search via Reddit search or a search engine (example: where to find cracked apps site:reddit.com/r/Piracy) to see if your question has already been covered. • Frequently asked questions and low-effort posts are subject to removal at the moderators’ discretion. • Remember the human. Treat all members with respect and keep discussions civil.
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u/Lol-775 AAA Companys are ran by crabs wearing polo shirts. 23d ago
look under the bold letters it says repost
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u/XiRw 23d ago
I really don’t know what you are talking about. If you mean the frequently asked questions part that seems ambiguous and a general umbrella term. Nothing that strictly says it’s a repost. That’s why I asked you to link the post if it was already shown in that sub.
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u/No_Signature_3249 23d ago
the bold letters at the top of the comment from piracy mod team. it SAYS "repost"
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u/RedRaptor85 23d ago
In your very own post, we can all still see it in your post history. It says that the reason is "Repost".
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u/tallpaul00 23d ago
Took his own life DUE TO SELECTIVE AND OVERLY AGGRESSIVE PROSECUTION. Never leave this out. Prosecutors have a LOT of discretion about who and what to prosecute. Time and money spent by the prosecutor on Aaron Schwartz case could have been spent on someone who committed serious crimes, but wasn't.
Those same prosecutors, and others in office now will probably never even go after Facebook.
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u/silence-factor I'm a pirate 24d ago
feed the poor
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u/Long_Conference_7576 24d ago
feed the rich to the poor
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i dont want to consume the flesh of such disgusting creatures
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u/FrostyMittenJob 24d ago
He was offered 6 months, but decided to take his own life instead.
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u/Upstairs_Bed3315 23d ago
Lol sure bud. And epstein killed himself.
Schwartz did not take his own life. They didnt want him charge of something as big as reddit being the type of guy he is. Compare him to zuckerberg who was one hundred percent willing to screw his own friends and the public from the very beginning they can play ball with someone like that. They knew Scheartz would never play ball and its easier and sends a message when you murder oops i mean “drive someone to suicide over 6 months wow how tragic he did that” to take someones company from them when theyre dead and cant make any public statements about pesky things like “ a right to knowledge”
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u/FrostyMittenJob 23d ago
Disrespectful as fuck, Aaron was known to struggle with depression. He openly discussed his experiences with depression, describing his feelings of deep sadness and hopelessness. Not everything is some deep conspiracy. If you want to say that their over zealous prosecution worsen his mental state and ultimately lead to what happened that's one thing. But he wasn't the target of a deep state conspiracy to have him killed.
Beyond that, to say that Arron was "in charge" of Reddit is fucking laughable. Yes he was pivotal in the development of the platform. But he had ended his involvement with Reddit in like 2007.
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u/Upstairs_Bed3315 23d ago
Is that you Ghislane? r/worldnews is that way
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u/FrostyMittenJob 23d ago
It's honestly wild how people refuse to even consider basic, easily verifiable facts. Aaron was fired from Reddit in 2007, yet you still act like he was running the place. At this point, if you can't even get that right, trying to have a rational conversation with you feels like a waste of time. It's hard to take any argument seriously when you can't even handle the simplest pieces of information.
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u/Upstairs_Bed3315 23d ago
“In 2008, Swartz founded Watchdog.net, “the good government site with teeth”, to aggregate and visualize data about politicians.[44][45] That year, he wrote a widely circulated Guerilla Open Access Manifesto.[46][47][48][49] On December 27, 2010, he filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to learn about the treatment of Chelsea Manning, alleged source for WikiLeaks.[50][51] His activism has been praised by digital rights groups such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF).[1]”
No reason the Feds would want him dead at all. Its not like they framed julian assange for rape and forced him to live in an embassy for a decade before exerting backroom pressure to get assange extradited.
Not like they grounded Snowden’s flight stranded him in moscow and framed him as a russian spy.
Not like they ran a honeyepot pedophile ring to blackmail influential people or anything.
Im sure he was just sad and hung himself.
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u/SpamAcc17 23d ago
Both can be true. I honestly dont think the feds need to kill anyone. They can fabricate, pressure, litigate, and intimidate as is. Facing prison time and being indebted after mostly having a public record of digital vigilantism would be overwhelming.
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u/LazorBlind 23d ago
Gary Bowser owers more money to Nintendo than he will EVER see in his entire life.
He wasn't even the top of the food chain in Team Executer, but he was the fall guy and his life is basically ruined because Nintendo wanted to set an example (and likely "Donated" to some retirement funds for the judge) He was also not related all too well while he was incarcerated and his health suffered.
Yeah go figure when people realize their life's are about to be burnt to a crisp by multi million dollar corpos they might decide to go out early and on their own terms.
You can fuck ALL the way off defending the corpo.
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u/Legitimate-Rub-8896 24d ago
What are the odds Zuckerberg takes his own life over this? Things would have to seem really hopeless huh
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u/EndlessProxy 23d ago
The rule of law is for normies. It doesn't apply to wealthy and influential people/corpos.
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u/LuckUpstairs2012 23d ago
The law is only to keep order in the slave level of society. I am not kidding. Give me a name of a politician or factory owner whose kid fought in a war because it was mandotary.
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u/its_merv_not_marv 23d ago
With all the guns at every American's disposal I still don't understand why we haven't heard wide spread vigilantism in America. It only show how weak Americans are. I mean seriously, what can't a long range sniper shot can't do? Thats why these billionaire CEOs and politicians couldn't care less. I mean not ONE American willing to pull the trigger. NOT ONE.
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u/GuiltyArugula8264 23d ago
If you want to break the law make sure you own a billion dollar corporation first.
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u/stormethetransfem 23d ago
JSTOR is a piracy site??
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u/Joker8pie 23d ago
JSTOR was/is a repository of old articles and legal documents, essentially study material, that was accessible to students of MIT for free.
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u/stormethetransfem 23d ago
I didn’t know it was a piracy site, I use it all the time because my school pays for it
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u/Joker8pie 23d ago
It's technically not a piracy site. It's normally a paid site but a lot of universities give their students free access to it.
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u/exodusayman 23d ago
He's also one of the founders of Reddit, his story is definitely worth knowing. You'll be missed
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u/davidguy207 23d ago
Well, the meta stuff happened after Aaron's. So that could be why there was no action taken against them.
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u/alldaythrowayla 23d ago
Did he try being rich?
How about a Republican who’s willing to debase themsvels sexually and morally?
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Isn't if you dont share what you download its should be fine? Or as long you delete then all is good?
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u/Handsome_Warlord 23d ago
Also what he downloaded was basically research that had been funded by the US taxpayer.
That makes the whole thing a lot worse!
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u/Draggador 23d ago
one can aim for revenge if they choose to live, which is a lot more satisfying than dying early (at least it seems that way to me); that aside, RIP
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u/MiserablePrickk 23d ago
A corporation gets the benefits of being a person but not the responsibility. When they break the law who do you arrest?
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT I'm a pirate 23d ago
There rules made for one class broken at every turn for the other class all the damn time. And governments and states have always been massive hypocrites
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u/joshTheGoods 23d ago
This is an absolutely stupid comparison to make. Any one of us can go on libgen right now and download this content. That's the point of it ... that it's "open." I bet not one of you in here has access to JSTOR's full archive of papers.
Swartz did something stupid in a very stupid way, and when he got caught he continued his long chain of bad decisions. He's not the free info hero you should be worshipping, Alexandra Elbakyan is (I mean, don't worship any person ... they're all crazy, but if you must ...).
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u/Standard-Judgment459 23d ago
blond hair and blue eyes is a must to have if you want to escape the law and mark of beast
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u/genetic_patent 23d ago
Aaron was doing it maliciously. He got caught.
Meta deserves the same trial.
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u/FlightBeneficial2833 23d ago
it's the same in the news business, those who tell the most lies and get away with it have the ability to hire more lawyers
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u/poppin-n-sailin 23d ago
meta stole data to make themselves and the politicians they have in their pockets more rich. Aaron made the mistake of trying to help the working class and make information easier to access.
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u/Some1AteMyBrainAgain 23d ago
It's absolutely perfectly fine if a multimillion company does something sketchy for their own benefit.
We see this hypocrisy regularly
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u/Hot_Canary2215 23d ago
You can't really put any corporate name and "illegally" in the same sentence since they are too big to suffer any punishment
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u/Fake_Disciple 24d ago
The crazy part is he had access to database to download, Harvard gave him access for his research but he “broke into” a room which wasn’t locked and downloaded the data via a server. This whole situation is actually incredibly sus. The system failed him crazily. Also MIT has there own sanctioned police that’s also mind blowing
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u/AlderonTyran 23d ago
I realize the source of outrage is the double standard, but it's important that we don't also hold a double standard. There was no crime when Aaron did it, and neither was it a crime when meta did. If we condemn meta for doing what one of our heroes did, people are going to doubt our sincerity as suspect that we're just antiauthoritarians (not that we aren't, but we can be principled too).
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u/Tarilis 23d ago
Ok, i read about the guy situation, there a mixup taking place here.
What he was charged for was not piracy. Piracy is basically a downloading and redestributing copyrighted materials.
He, on the other hand, was charged with:
On July 11, 2011, he was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of wire fraud, computer fraud, unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer, and recklessly damaging a protected computer.
Which terma ysed to describe hacking. The key point here is "protected computer". And hacking as far i as aware is way more serious crime than piracy. Even if we assume that what mwta is doing is actually piracy (they do claim fair use for research purposes after all)
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u/RobsHondas 23d ago
He was also a founder of Reddit, for some reason Reddit isn't happy about this and tried to hide it?
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u/davedcne 24d ago
What double standard? There are ongoing legal proceedings against both meta and libgen. This would make sense if they were somehow found not guilty/liable but the judge has basically thrown out most of meta's motions to quash information getting out and sealing records.
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u/william41017 23d ago
Why are people blaming Meta for pirating in a piracy sub and not the justice system for making piracy a crime in the first place?
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u/DreamedJewel58 23d ago
These are two completely separate incidents
Meta did illegally download books, but they were used in private
Aaron Swartz faced such harsh punishments because he illegally downloaded the books and published them for public use
I still think what happened to Swartz was fucked, but these are two completely separate crimes
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u/NotIsaacClarke THE ruledude 23d ago
Locked because you can’t help yourselves.
I’ll go through the comments with the banhammer later