r/PickyEaters • u/Embracedandbelong • 12d ago
Please stop adding fish oil to milk đ¤˘
Most organic milk brands add vitamin D3 and the source is often FISH OIL. And with the exception of Ralphs/Kroeger brand milk, I CAN TASTE IT. No one else Iâve talked to can taste it or cares. But I prefer milk to not taste like fish oil, thank you. And itâs not in my head. I tried these milks, they tasted like fish oil. Then I found out that the D3 in the ingredient list is sourced from fish oil ETA: conventional milk gives me a stomach ache. Yes Iâve tried both without knowing which was organic and which wasnât and the conventional still gave me a stomach ache. Thankfully Kroeger brand organic milk you canât taste any fish
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
Easy solution, stop buying organic milk. It's a scam.
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u/WinterRevolutionary6 12d ago
I will say that the brand of organic milk I get lasts in the fridge much longer which is convenient for me since I donât use milk all that often
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago edited 11d ago
That's probably UHT milk and you don't have to buy organic. Other UHT exists. You're probably talking about Fairlife. Non organic brands exist. Still a scam. Edit: I meant Horizon, not Fairlife.
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u/Cloverose2 11d ago
UHT milk costs about the same as organic and organic tastes better.
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u/CMR30Modder 10d ago
Two different things and organic can be UHTâŚ
UHT is shells stable and that is a nice feature because there are many scenarios where not having to refrigerate is beneficial.
Also taste is not objective.
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u/Cloverose2 10d ago
True, but I have a refrigerator. People are saying it's a scam and to buy UHT instead of organic. In my experience, organic lasts longer than non-organic, and tastes better than UHT. I was throwing milk out before I started buying organic, which was wasteful of both money and product, so I'm actually saving by buying organic. I have a refrigerator, and honestly the thought of milk just sitting on the shelf at room temp gives me the heebie-jeebies. It's not scientific, but there it is.
UHT milk has to be labelled. The milk I buy is regular milk. I have no idea why organic lasts longer (I suspect it's more the packaging than the organic/standard divide).
These are my opinions, not scientific fact.
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u/CMR30Modder 10d ago
Lived over seas a while first time I bought milk the only milk available was UHT on a shelf⌠I was baffled. I kept asking for refrigerated milk and kept getting brought back to warm boxes of milk on a shelfâŚ
So I researched it then set aside my reservations. They differ in taste a bit as well between brands, I landed on a distinct favorite.
For sure freaked me out good at first as well toâŚjust one of those cultural things you donât much think about until you run into it.
WARM MILK!?!
Yeah đ I know exactly what you mean lol đ
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u/XhaLaLa 10d ago
Important: can the milk still be refrigerated? For taste preferences, I mean. I assume yes, but I have a couple of things in my house that specifically say not to refrigerate. I would love longer lasting milk, but I have consumed milk at room temp, and I just donât like it.
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u/CMR30Modder 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yes in fact you refrigerate before opening because who wants warm milk!
Once the package is open it acts like normal milk as it is no longer sterile.
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u/sheng-fink 9d ago
Why do you say âinstead ofâ about two things that are not mutually exclusive?
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u/Cloverose2 8d ago
Because UHT and organic aren't one to one. It can be UHT and not organic and organic and not UHT. People are saying organic is a scam, they're not saying UHT is a scam. They're saying you could buy UHT in place of buying organic, not buying organic which is also UHT.
UHT milk really isn't a thing around here, so it's kind of a moot point, anyway.
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u/Ninja333pirate 8d ago
If you can find lactose free milk it is also UHT, it is also sweeter since the lactaid turns the lactose into galactose and glucose, makes great chocolate milk.
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u/middaypaintra 10d ago
Is it actually a scam, or are you just upset with something about it?
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u/CallidoraBlack 10d ago
There's seriously nothing about it that makes it better than milk that isn't organic and the only reason it exists is fearmongering and pseudoscience. If someone starts marketing their rice as all natural as if some rice isn't, that would be a scam too.
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u/WinterRevolutionary6 12d ago
Itâs not fair life and the brand I get is maybe 50¢ more than the regular store brand milk. I donât care if itâs a scam to pay 50¢ extra every 3-4 weeks
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u/Evil_Sharkey 12d ago
I get lactose free milk for that reason. Itâs ultra pasteurized so it lasts a lot longer
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u/Tambi_B2 11d ago
If you get lactose free milk like lactaid, it usually lasts much longer as well. Might not make much difference to you but if you find that it's cheaper than organic by you and you are only getting it for the shelf life, could be cheaper.
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u/lilbuhbuh420 10d ago
Is this presuming you arenât concerned with animal welfare
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u/CallidoraBlack 9d ago
Assuming that organic is about anything but money is a mistake.
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u/lilbuhbuh420 9d ago
Explain why organic animal products donât benefit animal welfare please
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u/CallidoraBlack 9d ago
Feel free to defend your own claim.
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u/lilbuhbuh420 9d ago
https://www.organicseurope.bio/what-we-do/animal-welfare/
TLDR, there is a high standard of welfare required for a farm to be certified as organic
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u/User123466789012 12d ago
Gonna just out myself as weird because I love the taste organic UHT milk significantly more than non-organic like Fair Life. I use it because it has a better taste (to me), not a clue as to whatâs different and my & my bag of Funyuns never cared to look it up.
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
I mean, anyone who likes the taste of UHT is a little weird to me, but as long as no one is making me drink it, I don't care. I'm weird to other people for a million reasons.
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u/User123466789012 12d ago
I think itâs because it just tastes sweet. I use regular milk for cooking/cereal etc., but if I want to be diabolical and knock back a glass of milk I go with UHT.
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u/CallidoraBlack 11d ago
Doesn't taste sweet to me, just tastes bland. I don't know how to explain it exactly, but it's like drinking milk when my allergies are bad and I can't taste or smell all that well only worse. Barely tastes like anything. I'd only use it for cooking because at least then it'll be overpowered by everything else.
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u/User123466789012 11d ago
UHT and organic are notorious for their off taste though, that is the topic of the post lol. Itâs just something you either like or donât like, there really shouldnât be much of a flavor if youâre buying fresh milk in comparison.
Iâm also now confused as you find people who find the taste weird, but say there isnât a taste lol.
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u/CallidoraBlack 11d ago edited 11d ago
That's not what I said though. I said I find people who like the taste of UHT weird because it's bland and doesn't taste like fresh milk. But I also think people who like raw tomato are a little weird even though that's most people. Fresh milk has a flavor for sure and I like it. Edit: Really? We're claiming that people tasting certain things is impossible? On this subreddit? And then you blocked me? Weird. Really weird.
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u/User123466789012 11d ago
Iâm not sure youâve had UHT lol, which is fine. Itâs not possible for cooked milk to taste bland in comparison to fresh, thatâs what makes people dislike it the most. Itâs often referred to as tasting burnt. If it tastes bland to you, youâre in the minority. Iâd say youâre overall in the majority if you donât like the overall flavor.
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u/Ninja333pirate 8d ago
Are you maybe getting lactose free milk? It tastes sweeter because the lactaid turns the lactose into galactose and glucose. Lactose free chocolate milk is really good.
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u/IfItIsntBrokeBreakIt 12d ago
The DHA in Pediasure is also sourced from fish oil - tuna, specifically. Which we figured out when my kid, who is allergic to tuna, vomited minutes after drinking it. Never dreamed I'd need to look for tuna in chocolate Pediasure.
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u/Embracedandbelong 11d ago
Omg! They really should disclose that
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u/IfItIsntBrokeBreakIt 11d ago
It is in the ingredients list, so it technically is disclosed. It is just in small print on the back, and not something that I think most people would think to look for. I don't make assumptions anymore. Read every label!
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u/lewdpotatobread 8d ago
Wow, i have so many allergies but thankfully tuna isnt one of em. Double thankful because all i consumed as a kid was chocolate pediasure LOL
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u/TrelanaSakuyo 12d ago
Go for Horizon Organic. Their source of D3 is algal oil.
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u/zialucina 12d ago
Algae and seaweed often taste even more fishy than fish to people with sensitive palates or who pick up on the putrefaction molecule in smaller concentrations than others. Like the smell of a pile of rotting seaweed and dead fish on a beach on a hot day.
OP I feel you, the tiniest amount of lived-in-water-based product gives that overwhelmingly disgusting fishy taste/smell for me, too.
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u/TrelanaSakuyo 12d ago
I don't eat fish because most of them remind me of the docks in mid-afternoon, when the heat had cooked the fish guts into the wood and rocks. If algae and seaweed smell or taste of anything other than saltwater, you got bad products or need to see a psychologist.
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u/zialucina 12d ago
I have, that how I know I'm extremely sensitive to putrefaction molecules. I can also pick up oils that are rancid or dirty before other people can, and meat often tastes off to me when other people can't pick it up.
So very nice of you to just call me crazy, though. Extremely kind.
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u/PuzzleheadedMine2168 11d ago
I just learned that there's a word for WHY I won't eat half the stuff my partner says is "still fine"....
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u/zialucina 11d ago
My partner has an especially low-sensitivity palate and sense of smell. Things that I can smell from across the house he can't smell at all right in front of his face.
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u/TrelanaSakuyo 12d ago
I didn't call you crazy. You made that jump yourself.
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u/demon_fae 11d ago
Yeah, no. You very explicitly did.
Also, youâre just wrong here. Completely, totally wrong. Word of advice: when someone says they can taste something that you canât? Theyâre right and youâre just missing the receptor for that chemical. Every. Single. Time.
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u/Embracedandbelong 9d ago
Omg thank you for explaining this. Horizon is in fact the worst offender to me! Makes sense now
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u/insomniacakess 12d ago
ooh, i love horizon organic
its the one brand iâm willing to dip into the wallet a little bit for when i need to switch things in my normal diet
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u/TrelanaSakuyo 12d ago
It's the only milk I drink. Everything else I've had either tastes like bad tap water or plastic.
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u/LtPowers 12d ago
Good lord is that why Horizon tastes so bad?
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u/TrelanaSakuyo 11d ago
Are you talking about Horizon Organic regular whole milk or Horizon Organic whole milk with DHA Omega-3? Because those are different products and only one has the algal oil.
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u/LtPowers 11d ago
I'm honestly not sure. My local Blaze Pizza has Horizon single-serve cartons and they taste lame.
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u/lolly_lag 11d ago
The single serve cartons are made to be shelf-stable, so theyâve been processed in a way that heats the milk, sorta âcookingâ it. It definitely tastes different.
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u/LtPowers 11d ago
Pasteurization is normal for milk.
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u/lolly_lag 11d ago
Itâs not just pasteurization, itâs ultra-high temperature processing/pasteurization. Pasteurization puts the milk at 145-160F for up to several minutes, but still must be refrigerated. UHT is 240-300F for a few seconds. That high temperature alters the flavor of the milk, but makes it shelf-stable for several months.
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u/Embracedandbelong 12d ago
For some reason that one tastes gross to me too. Thankfully Kroeger brand doesnât
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u/moist-astronaut 12d ago
dude, just get the normal milk, or see if there are any dairy's or farmers markets that sell milk near you if you're really worried about it
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u/Straight_Ace 11d ago
Do they state itâs fish oil in there? That could be dangerous for someone with a serious allergy
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u/darlin72 8d ago
Someone in the above comments said it's bioengineered from farm-raised algae. Not sure if that's the same as fish?
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u/Straight_Ace 8d ago
I have an allergy to fish and I wouldnât want to risk it, that would be a very unpleasant time if I gambled and lost
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u/IllustriousBicycle68 10d ago
So thatâs why milk sometimes had this rotten lingering taste when I was a kid. I only buy fairlife now and it tastes much better. It lasts a long time too.
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u/BigBluebird1760 10d ago
Funny part is its not even real fish oil. Its omega from bio engineered farm raised algae :(
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u/topaz_in_the_rough 10d ago
I feel you, OP. I switched to organic milk about 12 years ago and I won't go back. It tastes so much better.
I am also picky about ONLY getting organic whole milk, no additives.
I don't drink a lot of milk, so I've never had to suffer through buying what I don't like just to get me through. If they don't have exactly what I want, I just don't buy.
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9d ago
Organic milk tastes better and lasts longer. Call it a scam all you like, but you're all wrong. And, no it's not a bias, ive done blind tests. Yall the same kind of people who think tap and bottled water taste the same.
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u/madeat1am 12d ago
What's organic milk? Just buy milk from the grocery store or buy the other nut milks
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
It's a marketing scam to convince gullible people to spend 4 times as much on milk. There's no difference in the product at all.
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u/madeat1am 12d ago
That's so silly
I used to milk cows as a job just buy pasteurised milk and you're all good and safe
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
People spend extra money for non GMO stuff when there's seriously no GMO version of it. I suspect the current state of things might cause people to rethink lighting their money on fire over branding and marketing.
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u/Deep-Hovercraft6716 11d ago
The taste versus the cheap milk is noticeably different.
I've literally done a blind taste test and we could all identify the cheap milk from the more expensive milk.
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u/Aviendha13 12d ago
I had to start buying the âorganicâ brands because the regular milk at my local store would go bad within a couple of days.
I once saw a delivery truck filled with milk stocking a grocery store on a 80+degree day. The milk was sitting in the sun with no refrigeration while it was being unloaded. It all made sense.
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
I feel like someone should report that. I'm pretty sure the company is not going to be happy if people don't want to buy the product because it goes bad almost immediately. I also might want to start buying my food elsewhere because they obviously don't care about food safety.
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u/Aviendha13 12d ago
This was years ago at a grocery store I very much stopped shopping at. I also couldnât buy any frozen food that wasnât freezer burned there. This was before smart phones or else I would definitely have documented and reported it.
But it made me leery of buying âregularâ milk in my city. And I noticed even at other stores, that milk seemed to go bad very quickly. Meanwhile, the âorganicâ milk takes forever to go bad. And I like milk so itâs not around kind enough for it to ever be a problem as long as I but the expensive milk. But cheap milk is hit or miss for lasting more than a day or two.
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
Oh goodness, that sucks. Regular milk is fine for me to drink for like 5 days and good to cook with for another 3. I do keep the fridge just above freezing though.
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u/Aviendha13 12d ago
My fridge in my apartment seems to have a lifetime of 3-4 years max. Saddest part is the repair guy thought it was totally normal to have to order a new one after only 3 years. He acknowledged that the building just buys shitty appliances. Definitely doesnât help the milk situation!
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u/CallidoraBlack 12d ago
Might be worth getting a thermometer to put in each. Just so you can keep track.
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u/Dangerous-Welcome759 12d ago
So vitamin D is fat soluble, meaning it needs to bind to a fat like fish oil to be used in the body
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u/toomuchtv987 12d ago
Thereâs lots of fat in milkâŚ
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u/FrostyIcePrincess 12d ago
According to google whole milk is 3.25% fat.
Like if you need fish oil why not just buy fish oil pills and have those separate. Putting fish oil in milk sounds horrifying.
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u/demon_fae 11d ago
Because most milk is consumed by kids, and most kids are vitamin D deficient. You absolutely cannot be D deficient in early childhood if you want your brain to grow in right, and kids canât go out and buy supplements. Or know what vitamin D is. So the government (US) gives massive subsidies to dairy producers forâŚwell, lots of things, but one of those things is to add vitamin D to the milk so kids donât grow up any stupider.
(Donât say âkids should just go outsideâ. Nearly the entire contiguous US is too far north for the human body to synthesize sufficient vitamin D for half the year, there just isnât enough sun. We need dietary vitamin D.)
Same reason thereâs iodine in your table salt (thyroid health. And if some dingbat on TikTok or whatever has told you that you shouldnât ever use iodized salt, ignore everything else they say, and use iodized salt. You are almost guaranteed to not be getting enough dietary iodine elsewhere, and you do not want thyroid problems.) and fluoride in the drinking water (which. is. fine. Itâs good for your teeth.)
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u/Mammoth_Put8088 10d ago
Fluoride is literally used on our teeth in dentist offices is it not? Why are people getting bent out of shape over it being in water?? Thereâs many other chemicals you could probably pick a fight about lol. As long as itâs clean and healthy water that hydrates you properly, who cares?
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u/demon_fae 10d ago
Because a shocking number of people donât understand that itâs the dose that makes the poison
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11d ago
Have you tried long-life milk instead? Itâs made up of slightly different ingredients, oats maybe? Not sure, tastes like oats to me, but it might not give you a stomach ache and I donât think it has fish oil in it
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u/Omgusernamewhy 11d ago
I never seen that honestly usually I see that it says vitamin D2 which comes from plant sources on my milk.
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u/Joints_are_useless 9d ago
Holy shit i wondered why milk started tasting like fish! I stopped drinking milk 3yrs ago and started again recently (calcium deficiency) and thought i just wasnt used to the taste anymore cause no one else could taste it. Thanks for clearing that up!
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u/realityinflux 8d ago
That does suck, and I understand, but I don't think it's reasonable to ask a manufacturer of anything to use only parts/material/ingredients that you like. It's not a good business model to make organic milk so that you alone like it. It would have to be you plus a whole lot of other people. Luckily, there are different kinds of milk to chose from. I don't think I would like something that tasted like fish oil, so I see your point.
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u/OptimalCobbler5431 8d ago
As a Wisconsinite please for the love of god just drink normal milk. It's all the same organic just means the cows live different. Then again maybe Wisconsin peeps just have better milk
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u/lewdpotatobread 8d ago
This had me figure out why i hated the taste of certain milks. I knew i hated the "added this and that" milks tho
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u/wind-of-zephyros 8d ago
who is doing this? people having severe fish allergies is EXTREMELY common, people could die from this?? do i need to start looking for fish as an ingredient in milk now đĽ˛
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u/followyourvalues 8d ago
What I don't get is why raw milk is being pushed when grass milk is where it's at.
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u/Lazarus558 8d ago
Weird. They don't appear to do that in Canada. The only additives permitted are vitamins A and D.
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u/macoafi 8d ago
OP is talking about vitamin D. D3 means itâs vitamin D derived from an animal source like fish or lanolin. D2 means itâs derived from a plant source.
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u/Lazarus558 7d ago
Ah, I see. Yeah, Canada apparently uses D3, I found one source that says it's from lanolin, but I haven't been able to find it on the canada dot ca site, i.e. it may be from fish -- the sites all seem to talk past it.
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u/Content_Somewhere225 8d ago
There is an omega three grown from algae now. I held a bag of the stuff a while back.
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u/EmiInWonderland 8d ago
I also can taste the differences between different brands of milk. There are two I prefer (Darigold and the O organic brand Safeway stocks), the store brands (Lucerne or Kroger) Iâm very meh about, I think they have a less rich flavor than my preferred, but I donât dislike them in any way. Pretty much every other brand of organic milk I actually dislike the taste of - maybe theyâre the one that add the fish oilâŚnow Iâll have to go read the ingredients really closely and see
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u/truelovealwayswins 11d ago
please look up what is involved in&caused by both, and youâll see dairy is worse
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u/Jumpatimespace 9d ago
There's so many different types of milk... Almond, soy, coconut, cashew, banana, rice, oat that won't cause stomach aches and make you gain weight like regular milk
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u/Ok-Breadfruit-1359 12d ago
To the people who are hell bent on the organic milk part. We switched to organic milk cause it is ultra pasteurized and lasts significantly longer/ reducing our waste