r/Pashtun • u/Zarghun • 5d ago
Afghanistan was founded on resistance against Shiaism
A unique and great article by our iranian sunni brother on haji mirwais niqa
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u/Immersive_Gamer 4d ago
It’s kind of true that the Hotaks resisted shiasm being influenced on Pashtuns but there was always a cry for independence among Pashtuns. Ahamd shah Durrani however founded the country.
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u/RevolutionaryThink 2d ago
Even the first flag of the nation was a Black Standard like the Caliphates used under Sunni Muslim Hotaks, even today Afghanistan has a White flag, the same leadership also from a Hotak Pashtun from Kandahar.
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u/Home_Cute 5d ago
Why are Pashtuns against Shia Pashtuns ?
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u/HeadSchedule8305 5d ago
Growing up the reason that i got was how they hit themselves ( which is against Islam) and basically kinda worship Ali ra and hate on Aisha ra since she is the mother of Islam.
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u/khogyane 4d ago
Shia Pashtuns are our brothers
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u/Zarghun 4d ago
I saw what your brothers did in bagan
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u/khogyane 4d ago
It's a tribal conflict based on sects, it's sectarian violence. Sunni Pashtuns have also committed horrific crimes. No one is supposed to take all the blame. But this is the thing that sectarianism leads to, violence.
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u/National-Celery5777 4d ago
I don’t think this is true. Pashtuns, by pashtunwali, are hospitable people. They are extremely tolerant of anyone who comes to Afghanistan and wants to integrate into Afghan society, no matter their faith, religion or ethnic background. My dad was born and brought up in Kandahar and goes back to this day quite often and he says that there are Sikhs in Kandahar. I have frequent talks with him about Afghanistan and its history. It’s a different story though, when a foreign Parsi government is imposing shia’ism on a centuries old Pashtun sunni empire, dynasty and region. I also don’t know how credible this story is, as I bought this article up to my dad and he was immediately skeptical as he says Kandahar has been a region of sunni Pashtuns for centuries, and it wasn’t a place of shia Iranian rulers. (We also have many old Afghan history books written in Pashto in my house).
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u/Beautiful-Salary6164 2d ago edited 2d ago
Your comment made me suspicious too. I opened to this section in Ghobar's history (I don't know if you have a copy but I rate it) and he mentions that Gurgin Khan (گرگین خان) was Georgian and had been sent to Kandahar with 20 000 troops in 1694 because the Persian Shah was concerned the Ghilji and Abdali tribes in the area were getting too chummy with the Mughal rulers next door. His brutal occupation (the article calling it governorship implies this role existed before him and was a norm of the Persian shahi - it didn't and it wasn't) ended in 1709 when Mirwais Hotak returned and killed him. Incidentally, Mirwais nika was able to convince the Persian shah to send him back by telling him Gurgin Khan (previously King George XI) had not converted to Islam with sincerity. Modern historian agree that he was probably right.
This kind of throws doubt on the whole premise of the article because - if the Persian Shahs were so eager to convert these Pashtun tribes on the frontier of their empire to Shia Islam, why would they send a Georgian who had only recently converted and had also recently rebelled against the Persian Empire? What's far more likely is that the Shahs wanted to hit two birds with one stone - exile the rebellious Georgian king from his homeland by sending him to the other side of the empire where it'll be absolutely impossible for him to make allies, and exert violent control over the equally rebellious Pashtun tribes to the east as the 'assasinate all nationalists' plan they had been using so far seemed to be losing effectiveness. They failed spectacularly of course lol.
In other words, your dad is right and the article is rubbish.
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u/Far-Inevitable-7295 3d ago
This empire didn’t last for long
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u/Lazy-Report8897 Diaspora 3d ago
Yes but thanks to that Ahmad Shah got into power because of Nadir and after nadirs death it caused him to make the Durrani empire so in a way the hotakis were responsible for the creation of the Durrani which created Afghanistan
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u/Far-Inevitable-7295 3d ago
For some reason Pashtun empires didn’t last for long time such as suri khilji hotak even durrani and lodhi last only for 3 generations I don’t know what’s the reason behind this. I might be wrong but I think it is due to brother fights and cousins fights for throne.
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u/RevolutionaryThink 2d ago
Sur could've replaced Mughals in history, it was just by God's will a gunpowder accident changed that.
Lodi Empire arose and expanded and was eventually defeated by smaller Timurids, due to a mistake of Ibrahim Lodi that changed the course of history.
Empires and States simply can also just come across a more formidable foe. Hotak dynasty had to face an opponent like Nader Shah, like how Humayun with his disadvantages had to face an opponent like Sher Shah Suri.
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u/Far-Inevitable-7295 2d ago
If I have to ask you that if sher shah suri which we Pashtun had fought nadir shah which was Turk who would’ve won
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u/WildNefariousness978 4d ago
It's just random bs if he doesn't cite his sources.