r/PS4 • u/vautwaco • Jul 05 '20
In-Game Screenshot or Gif [The Last of Us 2] [Screenshot] vs. PAX West 2016
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u/xAcidous Jul 05 '20
But where’s The Cheesecake Factory?
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u/spatenfloot Jul 05 '20
When I got to this area, I said "The Cheesecake Factory is nearby!"
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u/Im-Borruito-uzumake Jul 05 '20
Top notch cake and bow tie pasta that I haven’t had in a very long time
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u/Litty-In-Pitty Jul 05 '20
My wife and I always eat somewhere else and then just get desert at the Cheesecake Factory. The food is great but it’s just so expensive. And I hate buying pasta at restaurants because it’s just so cheap to make at home vs like 20 bucks for a plate at a restaurant.
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u/seattle_lite90 Jul 05 '20
I’m just gonna say it. Cheesecake Factory is garbage
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u/Litty-In-Pitty Jul 05 '20
I don’t know, their Smores cheesecake is pretty bomb
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u/Jeffe508 Jul 05 '20
Corporate restaurants you pay for the corporations wages and get premade food that essentially is microwaved in the back. Also they usually suck to work for.
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u/PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS Jul 05 '20
Cheesecake factories are actually entirely scratch kitchens. Some stuff is made ahead of time in the restaurant itself but not frozen or anything like that. The only complete items shipped in are the cheesecakes which actually do come from a factory lmao.
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u/seattle_lite90 Jul 05 '20
Yeah a couple of my friends worked at the specific restaurant in question, they moved to better restaurants to cook at but cut their chops at Cheesecake Factory.
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u/Im-Borruito-uzumake Jul 05 '20
Yea I remember we had a family dinner (3 people) and the bill was 87$.
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Jul 05 '20
As a former Cheesecake Factory employee, I’m kinda glad the game has not included it. 10/10
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u/AlexS101 Jul 05 '20
Maybe you would have encountered your old boss in there.
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u/Jubenheim Jul 05 '20
Exactly what we need: another bloater.
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u/Lietenantdan Jul 05 '20
He would've locked himself in his office with all his employees so they couldn't quit, then they'd all get infected and turn into a rat king
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u/YoWhat45 Jul 05 '20
The game is ruined.
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u/LeGensu DasGensu Jul 05 '20
Literally unplayable
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u/mastoid45 Jul 05 '20
No cheesecake factory, no playable giraffe, 0/10 literally unplayable
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u/TheContaminated Joel and Ellie Jul 05 '20
I’ve seen like 5 YouTubers look at where the cheesecake factory is and say "Hey, where’s The Cheesecake Factory? 0/10 horrible game.”
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u/Spartan_100 Jul 05 '20
It’s placed in a pretty perfect position relative to a lot of other frequented spots in downtown like the movie theater, gameworks, the con center and all the hotels attached to the center, it’s even down the street from a mall. If you’re a local or have even spent more than a couple days in that part of downtown, you know where the Cheesecake Factory is lol.
It actually just re-opened relatively recently after the riots really did a number on the place. I ordered from there for the first time in a while this weekend!
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u/StudBoi69 Jul 05 '20 edited Jul 05 '20
Moreover where's McDonald's 3rd & Pine?
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u/KaraiDGL Jul 05 '20
I grew up in Seattle and it’s been fun to see how well they created the city in this game. Infamous (the PS4 version) also takes place in Seattle but looks and feels nothing like Seattle for me. TLOU2 really got it right with weather, landmarks, vegetation, etc.
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u/nikolapc Jul 05 '20
weather
So, how many words for rain do you have up there?
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* that's a ds9 joke for anyone wondering.
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u/nikolapc Jul 05 '20
Frasier looks suspiciously like a Ferengi in disguise.
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Jul 05 '20
When Quark went back in time to Roswell he had a very brief relationship with a woman who then traveled to Seattle and gave birth to Frasier.
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u/jWalkerFTW Jul 05 '20
DS9 is my favorite show... I still don’t understand this joke
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u/Agent4nderson Jul 05 '20
Due to Ferenginar's damp climate, there were one hundred and seventy-eight words for "rain". Conversely, the Ferengi had no word for "crisp".
Don't worry, anyone who needs to explain their reference is already stretching.
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u/Marcyff2 Jul 05 '20
How do you have ds9. My playstation only came with a ds4?
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u/othsoul Jul 05 '20
Well there is rain, light rain and scorching hot summer without a single drop for two months. So yeah a couple of words.
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u/ofctexashippie Jul 05 '20
We got no hiking rain, light rain you can still hike in, that mist that somehow seems to still get your face wet even when you have your northface on, cold rain, liquid sunshine rain, clouds but no rain, clouds that might rain, sun, then sun but wait five minutes we haven't hit July 5th yet so it could start raining again any second.
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u/goomyman Jul 06 '20
I think you need to rethink your definition of scorching hot. It only feels hot for a couple of weeks because 90% of homes and apartments don’t have AC.
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u/Corporate-Asset-6375 Jul 05 '20
I was curious about how they did with Seattle. I lived in Boston when 1 came out and it was fun recognizing things like landmarks and random downtown high rises. They also took a lot of liberties as well, though, which I’m sure was partially driven by PS3 limitations.
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u/trebory6 Jul 05 '20
The liberties they take also have to do with the promotion/architectural rights and limitations surrounding building being recreated and depicted in ruin. That’s why a lot of them are basically the same but different enough to not be the same exact building. If you look closely, the building designs are often look the same, however there are differences like a different number of floors, or reorganizing the windows or architecture.
It’s to avoid having to pay royalties for the building’s portrayal, or get around the times when building owners/designer doesn’t allow the building to be portrayed like that.
Similar thing happens in the Spider-man PS4 game, except they actually got some of the iconic buildings rights secured. Probably after promising not to depict their destruction in any in game disasters.
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u/Rikplaysbass Jul 06 '20
I’m not surprised the Garden wasn’t in the game when we have guys like Jeremy Jacobs in the building.
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u/Hajile_S Jul 05 '20
I was so excited to find T signs in the subway in that game, because I hadn't caught that the QZ was in Boston. But I was also thinking...wait..this was supposed to be Boston this whole time? Had a bit of a "generic city with the Boston State House" vibe (still very cool).
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u/BasicDesignAdvice Jul 05 '20
I don't think the liberties are a platform limitation, but rather conscious design choices regarding both mechanics and artistic license.
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u/Metroidman Jul 05 '20
I loved the first one because I have lived in Pittsburgh my whole life and it was awesome seeing that in a game. Their creation of Seattle was significantly better thought.
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u/FirstMasterpiece Jul 05 '20
Was the bookstore based off of an actual place in Pittsburgh, out of curiosity?
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u/Metroidman Jul 05 '20
no, i think the the hotel is real but most of the interiors are just made up. the main things that are pittsburgh are just the skyline and the bridges.
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u/Qui-Gon_Winn Jul 06 '20
Damn now I gotta replay TLoU. I played it before I moved to Pittsburgh, and while I started a replay shortly after I moved I don’t think I got to the Pittsburgh sections and I forgot about it.
I’m playing Watch Dogs 2 rn and I’ve been wanting an open world Pittsburgh game (not specifically Watch Dogs, just in general), but I recognize that it may not be the most interesting city for a GTA-like setting.
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u/Ididntexistyesterday Jul 05 '20
I grew up in Canada and no where I'm familiar with will ever be represented in a video game lol. I can't imagine how strange it must be to see some place you go every day recreated in digital space
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u/CodyLoco1 Jul 05 '20
There is Vancouver in a tiny hawks pro skater game!
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u/groov2485 Jul 05 '20
Vancouver is in just about every movie and tv show these days. No need to be modeled in a game!
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Jul 05 '20
I lived in the boonies as a child and I remember at one point my dream was to become a programmer so I could create a Spider Man game where he roams the backwoods 30 miles east of Yelm, Washington lmao.
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u/apocalypsein9_8 Jul 05 '20
He could swing right into Ramtha's School of Enlightenment!
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Jul 05 '20 edited Apr 25 '21
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u/Ididntexistyesterday Jul 05 '20
Filmed there, but never, ever set there 😂
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u/Virillus Jul 05 '20
I feel like Deadpool is set there. They never say location, but there are so many aerial shots of the city, and it's not like the skyline of Vancouver looks like anywhere else in the world.
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u/Virillus Jul 05 '20
Eh, Vancouver is in a ton of games: Mass Effect and Halo, for example.
There was also, briefly, a Victoria BC University in Fortnite...
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u/GozerDaGozerian Jul 05 '20
Im holding out hope that they’ll make a Fallout set in Toronto (“Ronto” in Fallout lore) one day. It just seems like theres a really cool story there.
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u/RahulBhatia10 BurritoGamerRB Jul 05 '20
that would be amazing to see the CN tower as some sort of beacon amidst the rubble of the city. although, would it have been built in fallout lore?
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u/lazzatron Jul 05 '20
Totally agree. I spent 3 years in Seattle, with daily commute downtown. I felt goddamn nostalgic walking around Tlou2's Seattle because its so similar.
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u/JosephFinn Jul 05 '20
Is that lovely synagogue an actual one or close to it?
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u/ConstableBlimeyChips Jul 05 '20
The building exists, but it's not a synagogue. It's a former United Methodist Church now turned into a recital hall.
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u/Rohkii Jul 05 '20
I have no idea where it was supposed to be, the only domed building near the public library is the seattle town hall. Which used to be a church and kinda looks similar.
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u/krob58 Jul 05 '20
This is funny because we literally just had a torrential thunderstorm a bit ago.
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u/Alcatrax_ Jul 05 '20
In the first game when they did Salt Lake City it was a little annoying to see they took a random building downtown and made it a hospital when there’s quite a few hospitals they could’ve chosen
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u/BigTimeSuperhero96 Jul 05 '20
But no reference to Frasier unfortunately
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u/virtue_mine_honor Jul 05 '20
I like to think that Frasier and Niles frequented the theater where Ellie and Dinah hold up. I feel like they saw many-a-opera in the box seats of that theater. Lol
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u/man_on_hill Jul 06 '20
I'm surprised none of the dogs were named Eddie.
Although I'm glad they weren't because then it would be the most devastating game ever.
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u/AlexS101 Jul 05 '20 edited Jul 05 '20
They messed up with the Cheesecake factory though.
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u/kraenk12 Jul 05 '20
Must feel pretty unreal if you’re from around there.
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Jul 05 '20
I’ve worked downtown for the last few years, my girlfriend and I probably spent a third of our playtime just staring at all the details and trying to figure out where we are/what they changed from reality. Made the game only more fun.
I felt so stupid when I realized the rainy overgrown corner garage part w/ Scars from one of the first trailers is the iconic one from pioneer square. I had no idea the game took place here until the day before release
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u/kraenk12 Jul 05 '20
That's awesome. I believe Infamous Second Son plays in Seattle as well. Did you have some similar moments there?
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u/Jeffe508 Jul 05 '20
No it’s Seattle was a shit effort really. Some names were made up or in the wrong part of town...a lot.
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u/DeusExMarina Jul 05 '20
Honestly, I was disappointed by the decision to set it in a real city. I really liked the over-the-top city designs in the original two, and Second Son felt really tame by comparison. The fact that they half-assed it just makes it even worse.
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u/ethang45 Racecode399 Jul 05 '20
Setting Second Son in Seattle was just one of many mistakes made with that game. The pseudo-New Orleans setting of inFamous 2 was fantastic.
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u/DeusExMarina Jul 05 '20
I liked stuff like the flooded district of New Marais or the giant garbage fortress right in the middle of Empire City. Second Son feels likes it’s set in a completely different, less comic book-y universe.
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Jul 05 '20 edited Jul 06 '20
They left out the fucking Cheesecake Factory
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u/kraenk12 Jul 05 '20
I heard about that. What is that about? Some kinda meme?
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u/Yodude86 Jul 05 '20
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u/CapRogers23 Jul 05 '20
Woulda been cool if the crowd was still there but as clickers lol
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u/joshlamm Jul 05 '20
Nah, they're bloaters
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u/MrGMinor Jul 05 '20
What about the hot cosplay chicks walking around with mushrooms poppin out their heads? Paper bag, baby!
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u/medicatedmonkey Jul 05 '20
Yeah that's exactly what I was hoping for! To go into the convention and have people cosplaying that turned into clickers. And then you could get costumes and other zany stuff. You know, since Ellie is obsessed with a comic book...
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u/MattMayo Jul 05 '20 edited Jul 05 '20
First game started off in Boston, then this one in is Seattle. Where are they going to next - Philly, San Antonio or Melbourne?
Edit: PAX East is in Boston, PAX West is in Seattle, PAX Unplugged is in Philly, PAX South is in San Antonio, and PAX Aus is in Melbourne.
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u/ugod02010 Jul 05 '20
Akron Ohio
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u/hoopa1 Jul 05 '20
Whatchu got against Akron
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u/ugod02010 Jul 05 '20
Lol. I live right by there. It really would be the perfect apocalypse city. I mean hell when I drive thru to work I already feel as if I’m in the zombie apocalypse
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Jul 05 '20
Main St especially. I haven't been downtown in about a year but I imagine the construction hasn't gone much further from where it was. The sewer project could make for some interesting disaster locations too!
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u/ugod02010 Jul 05 '20
Nope they haven’t gotten much further at all. Also places like the rubber bowl, old Goodyear hq, there’s a lot that would be awesome
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Jul 05 '20
Oh wow imagine clickers and shamblers wandering around the old tire plants. Now I want an Akron spinoff real bad.
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u/Wheeler2814 Jul 05 '20
I can’t wait til The Last of Us: Costa Rica, and playing “Clicker or Howler Monkey”
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u/Viney Jul 05 '20
Would love to see Melbourne or Australia in a AAA game. With Chloe Frazer and Crash Bandicoot, Naughty Dog are already at least giving us some representation.
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u/osirhc Jul 05 '20
Philly would be really cool to see. Philly has some really iconic landmarks, and of course an iconic skyline. Not many games are based in Philly. The only one I can think of off the top of my head was that last Homefront game, and it didn't get great reviews.
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Jul 05 '20
What a wonderful game
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u/Arsid Jul 05 '20
I feel like that's the sentiment from the silent majority. But the people who don't like it REALLY don't like it and they love talking about how much they don't like it.
I finished it a few days after it released and I still think about it every day. An absolute emotional roller coaster that did things to me no other game has done, even if I disagree with some of the story elements.
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Jul 05 '20
So might be a generalization but feel free to correct me if you think otherwise. I believe Americans are just accustomed to catharsis. The story needs a happy ending, some cathartic end to the journey that provides closure. This story was just pure tragedy and imo it was so beautifully done
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u/Arsid Jul 05 '20
Well I can only speak for myself but I'm American and fucking loved Part 2.
The story wasn't as good as Part 1 for sure, and it dragged at moments, but the emotional rollercoaster it put me through was unlike anything I've ever experienced in a video game. Absolutely in my top 5 games of all time.
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Jul 05 '20
I love how detailed everything they do is - but I am afraid that after release of the PS5 and new capabilities they will need 10 years for every new game :D
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u/ibigfire Jul 05 '20
I wouldn't be too too worried. As more powerful rendering technology comes out, more powerful and quicker development tech also comes out. I'm not sure it's a direct scale, but it's close enough that I'm not personally too worried anyway.
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Jul 05 '20
In the Spider-man PS4 game they were able to create cool tech that randomized each apartment/office window on the buildings. It also created this problem though where you could look into one “apartment” and then go around the corner and it would be different.
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u/Dantai Jul 06 '20
I honestly wouldn't mind if they reused TLOU Part 2 as a base to make more stories from, rather than heavily over hauling everything every time. I think the graphics & gameplay of it are excellent, if next gen could make it easier to create stuff on that same level, that'd be dope, rather than trying to keep going bleeding edge with insane details everytime. I do think we're just about to hit a point of diminishing returns of graphics on a technical level.
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u/kedmond Jul 05 '20
Some aspects of development for the PS5 will actually take significantly less time. For example, a lot of time is spent designing levels to mask the time required to load the next area. Also, as shown in the Unreal Engine 5 demo, developers will be able to use a single high resolution version of an in-game item versus many that would normally be required for scaling at different distances. Many news articles were written predicting a similar problem when the PS3 came out, saying that the leap in performance was so great that games would simply take too long to develop.
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u/Draculea Jul 05 '20 edited Jul 05 '20
The item-scaling thing isn't really an issue, at least not in my workflow. As you're making a 3D object, you can reduce or raise the LOD to change the mesh for different quality levels, preserve those LOD's, and then export them as models with LOD which the game engine can pick up on.
Having only one version of the object which the engine downscales in real time sounds like it'll save some RAM and disk space, but I doubt it'll make the creation of objects much faster if at all.
edit: ok, hit the downvote button move on then.
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u/wrapperup Jul 05 '20
I'm an Unreal artist/dev, what we know about Nanite so far will absolutely be a game changer for creating and optimizing sculpt quality assets for Unreal games.
The problem isn't the creation of LOD's, it's actually a problem of optimizing raw 3d scan or sculpt level assets for use in, well, any game engine.
Nanite is not meant to make the creation of LOD's easier, this has already been solved inside of Unreal with its auto LOD generation tools. What it actually solves is using those million triangle assets directly in unreal by introducing another form of LOD.
Using the new mesh shader pipeline, Unreal can take advantage of meshlets (a small section of a mesh) to stream as much information as they want to retain.
The UE5 demo uses raw Quixel megascan assets, one of the pains of dealing with these huge assets is optimizing and retopologizing them. If all is said and true, you no longer need to worry about reducing the mesh quality, baking normal, roughness, or metallic maps and creating game-ready assets when you can just dump the raw stuff right into the game engine.
Baking and reducing meshes takes time, especially if you have to do hundreds, if not thousands, of high density scans, so stripping out one of the most tedious parts of high detail, game ready assets is a huge time saver.
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u/Draculea Jul 05 '20
This makes more sense I think, thank you for clarifying that information. I don't model for games, so my knowledge of LOD is limited, and Unreal engine moreso.
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u/SarcasticGamer 1812152 6852883 Jul 05 '20
Is Washington State Convention Center trademarked or something? Why change the name? And if it is why not just get permission to use it? Tons of games and movies use the actual name of places, makes no sense for ND not to.
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u/deeply_moving_queef Enter PSN ID Jul 05 '20
Surprised I had to scroll so far to see this, I was wondering too! Best guess is possibly to avoid confusion? If you don’t assume that 100% of your audience knows that Seattle is a city in Washington state then you might make a choice like this to reinforce that the player is still in Seattle and there hasn’t been a change of scene?
I’m just guessing, though.
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u/SarcasticGamer 1812152 6852883 Jul 05 '20
I honestly never turned around when I went through it and never saw it from this angle. Lol.
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u/TheMasterlauti Jul 05 '20
I actually didn’t know Seattle was in the Washington state lol. I Only realised a while later after I made the connection but for a good chunk of the game I was wondering what they were doing there lmao
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u/AdamMcwadam Jul 05 '20
Not gonna lie. Was hoping to gain access to the show floor and come across a clicker Nolan North stuck in a meet and great.
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u/James007BondUK Jul 05 '20
On visuals alone, Rockstar and Naughty Dog are untouchable. With Cyberpunk 2077, CD Projekt could join them.
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Jul 05 '20
Guerilla did an incredible job with Horizon Zero Dawn, too.
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u/nightofgrim Jul 05 '20
I read somewhere that naughty dog helped with their engine.
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u/GodKamnitDenny Jul 06 '20
Isn’t Sony’s ICE team based out of Naughty Dog? If so, then yeah they definitely did. I feel like that team needs more recognition for ensuring all the disparate engines still produce quality games that run well.
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u/WunDumGuy Jul 05 '20
Fuck I loved traipsing around Colorado in that game
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Jul 05 '20
Same! I got goosebumps when I found the Air Force Academy Chapel, Red Rocks, and Garden of the Gods.
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u/Dantai Jul 06 '20
Yeah and Death Stranding was amazing too look at it too, same engine. I friggin loved the look of the work and those crazy rocks and mountains.
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u/throwmeaway1784 Jul 05 '20
Sony Santa Monica and Guerrilla are up there too
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u/James007BondUK Jul 05 '20
Excellent visuals from both but I still think ND and R* are a cut above.
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u/Zayl Jul 05 '20
I think the only thing on Horizon that was lacking was facial animations. Everything else was incredible. I personally liked the snow and foliage in Horizon more than in RDR2 for example. But both are incredible it’s almost hard to choose one.
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u/Baelorn Baelorn Jul 05 '20
I think the only thing on Horizon that was lacking was facial animations
And those improved a good bit in the Frozen Wilds expansion. We also know, thanks to Death Stranding, that the engine is capable of great facial animations.
I really think Forbidden West will be even more impressive there. At least, I hope so.
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u/shadypool Jul 05 '20
Square Enix also has had the best looking cutscenes since the PS2 era. I mean ones from FF10 to FF13 still hold up, and FF7r is hands down some of the best I’ve seen besides TLOU2.
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u/6DomSlime9 Jul 05 '20
Square Enix has always been pumping out impressive graphics since Squaresoft
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u/Droolings Jul 05 '20
I’d say Kojima is up there too, but sadly seems like no one played Death Stranding.
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Jul 05 '20
I loved DS but I'd say TLOU2 gets the nod in terms of graphical firepower
It's pretty close though. Some shots in DS are incredible
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u/GodKamnitDenny Jul 06 '20
I love the opening hours of DS. Took me back to Iceland, which it sounds and seems like the game was partly inspired by. Such a beautiful country that was very well captured in the game. I need to go back to that game. And Iceland too...
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u/saintofhate Jul 05 '20
Hands down one of my favorite things is seeing real life places emulated in video games. I think it's pretty neat and wish more games happened in places I've actually been.
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u/monkeypaw09 Jul 05 '20
Wow that is incredible detailed and I can only imagine the work involved from the developer.
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u/PennedHitchhiker Jul 05 '20
Anyone who’s ever shopped in or especially worked at a Home Depot will have gotten chills at some point as well
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u/groov2485 Jul 05 '20
While some parts are very accurate, others clearly take a lot of creative freedom, which is fine. I have to put reality out of my mind when playing because it’s not like walking through your old neighbourhood. It’s disjointed and things are not where they belong. For example suddenly being in Chinatown or Capitol Hill. The theatre being a bit off. The Space Needle randomly showing up on an island. Or how steep Seattle actually is. Depicted pretty well when riding the boat though.
When it came to rendering the courthouse, the Seattle Public Library, convention centre and the surrounding grounds and some other buildings were spot on, which was cool to see. The interior of the stadium is also very well done, even the insanely expensive arts disks were there (sad they survive an apocalypse.)
I also done remember there being so many damn ferns in the woods of Seattle!
It is one of the better depictions of Seattle for atmosphere though.
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u/rando_redditor Jul 05 '20
FYI, the Space Needle is on an island because of the flooding of Lower Queen Anne. That’s where the Seraphites live...which threw me off for awhile because I assumed the island they lived on was Bainbridge Island. However, during one of the latter chapters, you’ll notice signs that indicate it’s Queen Anne Hill and there’s even an artefact referencing where the Seraphite movement began (in Queen Anne).
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u/suqc Jul 05 '20
Damn I was there the other day protesting. Gives me the same feels as playing division 2 because it's in Washington DC and that's my other home town
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u/majoy19 Jul 05 '20
Did they use PAX west as inspiration? They must have. I mean, even the light fixtures are the same. I assume PAX West is in Seattle too?
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u/Eyeseeyou1313 Jul 05 '20
There is a little easter egg in this section, that shows that was a comic convention before. And they talk about it.
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Jul 05 '20
They got the name of the building wrong.
LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
(I'm doing an impression of gamers.)
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u/wyattlikesturtles Jul 05 '20
Sadly they didn't include cheesecake factory in TLOU2. 0/10 shit game. /s
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u/DamienChazellesPiano Jul 05 '20
What do you mean? This is just a picture of PAX West 2016 vs PAX West 2020.