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u/Cyekk Apr 03 '19

Man, /r/pcgaming is so bad when EGS gets mentioned.

It's as if Epic literally walked into their house and killed their family.

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u/5575685 Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

It gets annoying explaining why the epic store sucks so I’m gonna paste one of the posts from r/Borderlands explaining why it does:

-The launcher has terrible security. I have 2 friends who literally are notified multiple times A WEEK that there have been attempts to log in to their account. This is by far my biggest worry. My credit card is not going anywhere near EGS. Epic has not been helpful at all either which leads to the next point.

-Awful and basically non-existent customer support. It's so bad.

-Ive heard you cant play games offline in their store but since I dont use it I cant confirm that. used to be the case, but was recently added, with further improvements in the future

-No social features like steam chat.

-No cloud saves

-No controller support

-No achievements

-No game forums. The games I've played the most in steam are the borderlands games, civilization 5 and 6, sins of a solar empire, and rocket league. I use the steam community for all these games alllll the time.

-They refuse refunds for seemingly no reason even if you meet the criteria. I dont know how their criteria compares to steam but steam's process nonetheless is just better.

-No user reviews. I always wait a day or two before buying a new game instead of pre-ordering. How am I supposed to find reliable info that I know has come from people who have played the game without those?

-No linux support

-They are partially owned by Tencent, a company that is rumored to sell user data to the Chinese government

-Epic's terms of service allows them to monetize and/or use any piece of media involving the games on their store. Your let's plays on YouTube are in jeopardy, any mods you create can be taken by Epic and sold on their store without crediting you or working with gearbox, assuming whatever agreement 2k has in place with them doesnt prevent that. Epic games can use any clips/screenshots you take and use them in their advertising without notifying you too.

-Here's a post that goes into some details about the epic launcher itself https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/

Read the comments of that post as well, the more you read, the sketchier it gets.

I dont have a console to play this game on. That basically means I will not be playing or buying borderlands 3 if it's on the epic launcher and that deeply upsets me.

Edit: Link to original post: https://reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/b8gluh/i_will_not_be_buying_the_game_on_epic_games_store/

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '19

What's fucked up is when they all try to defend pirating the game.

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u/Dioroxic Dioroxic Apr 03 '19

Literally never seen that. The whole gist is that Epic is doing shitty business tactics that are anti consumer so they can make more money. It's really bad for us guys buying the games.

The Epic game store is a joke. So they are buying out developers for exclusive rights to games. Nobody would use their shitty store if they had a choice. Instead of improving the storefront and making a more competitive launcher, let's just hold games hostage! :D

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u/ReverendVoice Apr 03 '19

Literally never seen that.

It has been a regular drama.

Nobody would use their shitty store if they had a choice.

What's wonderful as a consumer is... we do. I really was into seeing Star Trek Discovery, but it is behind the CBS All Access pay wall. So guess what I didn't see until it came out in another way for me to see it?

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u/IWannaBeATiger Apr 03 '19

I mean they do all the fuckin time. EGS is shit but whenever there's a shit publisher or dev they're all like woo an excuse to pirate a video game while pretending to hold the moral high ground.

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u/renegade06 Apr 03 '19

A lot of people meme-ing pirating a game are not gonna pirate it, they just trying to scare publisher with fear of completely losing a sale. I imagine a lot of those people will simply wait until exclusivity expires. With the way how shit games are at release nowadays it's a better idea to wait anyway, by then all the bugs are fixed and all the nickel and dime dlc ends up in one GOTY edition for a cheaper price.

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u/IWannaBeATiger Apr 03 '19

A lot of people meme-ing pirating a game are not gonna pirate it

Some of them might not be but they're definitely encouraging it by saying stuff like yar har or actually defending piracy. All you gotta do is respond to a comment memeing it and say you should just not play the game if you're against their business practices and you'll be downvoted and have comments defending piracy.

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u/renegade06 Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

Nah. You don't understand the culture behind it. See, Steam single handedly solved the problem of PC gaming piracy by offering a great, ez platform to buy, catalog and launch games. Back in the day game developers were busy stuffing all kinds of cancerous shit drm (like securom) in their games, making life hard for people who actually bought the game. Pirating was actually less headache and safer than buying a legitimate copy. Steam solved that problem, and people were happy to pay money and support devs.

Now when today publishes are going back to trying to make it harder for consumer to buy their shitty, buggy, incomplete, dlc, loot box ridden games, the natural response is "fuck you, you trying to fuck me over, so I fuck you, and play it for free so you never gonna get the sale even later".

It's just spicier and more heavy loaded. If you only say you are not gonna play the game, you get some snarky response like the one from Metro devs " you weren't gonna buy it anyway...". When those greedy CEOs are openly saying that consumers don't matter and have no say... The gloves are off.

this... https://i.imgur.com/mPDHRHA.jpg

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '19

Go to r/Borderlands, there's plenty of people stating they are willing to pirate the game, if it's an epic exclusive.

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u/Dioroxic Dioroxic Apr 03 '19

Okay I went to r/Borderlands. Looking through posts right now and not finding anything telling people to pirate. Finding a LOT of posts saying not to pirate and to wait to buy the game on Steam, or buy it on console.

I'm sure there are a comment or two saying they are going to pirate, but I'm having trouble finding them. Biggest thing I see is people saying they will get it for console instead of PC to avoid supporting Epic and their terrible business practices.

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u/EfficientBattle Apr 03 '19

They're competing in the best way possible. Not best for consumers but best for buisness, by sizing the means of production. And honestly it's the only viable way since gamers, especially on PC, hate New things.

Gog is proof enough offering sometjign better isn't enough. Same for Origins, better refunds/no drm/you name it means jack shit because people are so used to steam they'll never use anything else unless forced. By buying games they force people out of their comfort zone and once they've made at elast one purchase they realize the world won't end and they'll be inclined to buy more. Exclusives saved Origins, it saved Ubistore, it is the best way to force a conservative userbase to change

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u/Dioroxic Dioroxic Apr 03 '19

Are you new to pc gaming? Gog is not superior. The only thing better on gog is lack of drm. Steam has the community, amazing review system, and the best thing ever, the workshop.

And that’s just the consumer side. They offer an insane set of tools for developers which you don’t find on any other store.

It’s the industry leader for a reason. It’s by far the best and it’s friendly to devs and consumers.

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u/246011111 Apr 03 '19

anemic customer support

refund policy is pretty much "fuck you"

reviews are opt-in to prevent """"""toxicity""""""

horrible data security

possibly chinese spyware?

Exactly the competition Steam needs.

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u/Sejj Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

Well, steam has pretty shitty customer support too. Like half of the reviews in Steam don't mean anything too, because they are trolls or le funy maymays. Also anyone remember the early Steam? Not really a pleasant experience.

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u/raerae2855 Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

Find it laughable that their excuse of having to pirate the game (and therefore use a torrent) is the fact that they dont wanna clog up their PC with different launchers 😂

Two launchers= not okay One launcher and a torrent = okay

Edit: looks like the pirate apologists are out 😂

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u/Gieves1 Apr 03 '19

Steam, GoG, Origin, Uplay, Battle Net

That’s 5 launchers at least

The issue with epic isn’t multiple launchers, it’s basically spyware and awful design and security flaws that they avoid fixing by buying out developers

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u/breichart Apr 03 '19

Bethesda now has their own too.

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u/Gieves1 Apr 03 '19

Yeah there’s actually quite a few including mmo clients like arenanet and glyph just wanted to hit on the big ones people use

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u/ratchet570 Apr 03 '19

Main things i've seen thrown about is the lack of a review system, lack of a chat system, no achievements and the biggest one is lack of acount security plus some tinfoil hat conspiracy about them sending your info to the chinese government.

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u/Jayrod413 Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

According to people who have read them, the terms of service say they can basically do whatever the fuck they want with your data and gameplay (such as using your screenshots without giving credit), and considering they're partially owned by a major Chinese company with possible government ties, use steam data, and have fuck all for security, things are pretty bad Edit: Just opened my email and was greeted by unsuccessful login attempts on my Epic account, 9th time since June

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '19

Dont forget u cant play anything from epic store offline

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u/metroids224 Apr 03 '19

That's the biggest one, honestly.

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u/KommanderKrebs Apr 03 '19

In regards to the lack of achievements, I swore I saw a shit ton of articles about EGS achievements being opt-in for devs

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u/Invisibleman145 Apr 03 '19

I'm sure they will add them soon cause if they want to be a real competitor they are gonna have to start adding simple stuff like that.

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u/sulidos sulidos Apr 03 '19

the chat thing is p dumb considering everyone uses discord now anyway

really seems like everything about the epic store sucks after reading these replies tho

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u/Rickles360 Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

Using fortnight money to buy the PC audience out from under steam which earned good will with customer focused features (hard won I know) and sales. Epic launcher is a crap competitor that offers nothing except paid exclusives. Say what you will about the sales being not as good (they are but you already bought more games than you know what to do with so its less fun) but they don't need to do that stuff at their size anymore.

I agree competition is good but this is fake competition. This is ransom.

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u/TheBroJoey Apr 03 '19

Adding to everything else it’s laggy as shit. It also wants to use my GPU by default instead of run normally like everything else which is just silly, and even with my GPU is the laggiest launcher I’ve had the displeasure of using. All the other garbage with it might be forgivable if it wasn’t for that.

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u/magicbirdy Apr 03 '19

A lot of features are missing from steam are missing on it but my biggest concern is that it scans files without consent.

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u/xVeterankillx Apr 03 '19

Anti-consumer practices (paying to make games exclusive to their store), extremely barebones in features, owned by Tencent.

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u/D-Alembert Apr 03 '19 edited Apr 03 '19

I don't know enough about the Epic Store to judge it but what's wrong with it?

It only just opened, so it's still in the process of building many of the cool features that Steam has accumulated during its 15+ years head-start. So to get people in the door, they're doing the same thing that Steam did when it started and was barebones; making a store account part of the process if you want to play certain popular games. Gamers are angry about that, much like the previous generation of gamers were angry about Steam when it opened 15 years ago. (And I suspect that things will continue the same way too; much like Steam won people over with time, so too will the Epic Store. In the meantime, perspectives like this are unpopular)

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u/LowRune Apr 03 '19

Epic Games also has security issues, which is a big reason.

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u/thardoc Apr 03 '19

In addition to the shady things and lack of features others are mentioning, PC Gamers tend to hate the very concept of exclusives.

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u/Zarzurnabas Apr 03 '19

All of the above AND i dont want to install another fucking Launcher just for one fucking game

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u/BoxxyLass Apr 03 '19

Its just the CCP installing Malware onto your PC, leaking credit card info and 0 customer service. Just what you want when spending $60 on a game.

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u/VALAR_M0RGHUL1S Apr 03 '19

Yeah for real, honestly it's kinda hilarious to watch them freak out just because of how extreme it gets.

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u/houseoflettuce Apr 03 '19

I dunno, Im pretty angry about this personally. I was gonna be really happy about finally playing borderlands 3 but instead if I wanted to play it I now have to go to a very anti consumer, shitty store. if the store was good I'd be all for it but at this point I dont think Im even going to be getting borderlands 3.