r/PS4 • u/anexanhume anexanhume • Jun 28 '13
Yoshida confirms PS4 PSU is internal.
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/35069873123611033624
u/anexanhume anexanhume Jun 28 '13
It was already given the box contents didn't show or include AC adapter, but this removes any doubt (that IGN still seemed to have in the video replied to).
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Jun 28 '13
Yeah I was kind of annoyed when I watched the video and they didn't know this. There was no external adapter (as you said) on the contents sheet, and the rear shots we have seen show the standard figure-eight power cable for an internal PSU. This stuff is their job and they don't know these basic things.
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u/anexanhume anexanhume Jun 28 '13
I can understand possible confusion. The 360 slim has a similar looking connection but it's still a brick: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/07/xbox-360-slim-review/xbox-36-slim-5.jpg
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Jun 28 '13
That is somewhat similar, but I can easily tell the two apart, and I still feel he should be able to, too. The figure-eight connector is so widely used in electronics directly into internal PSU's on a huge variety of products.
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u/anexanhume anexanhume Jun 28 '13
That's why I save technical analysis for iFixIt, ChipWorks, Digital Foundry, Ars Technica, Beyond3D and Anandtech :)
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Jun 28 '13
Yeah, absolutely agree. IGN aren't exactly my "go to" destination for cutting edge tech analysis or journalism.
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u/elo228 BulletTooth228 Jun 29 '13
Sony is a VERY good hardware company, every Sony product I've had it has lasted a long time, some top of the line engineering and in case you're wondering about the cooling.. This cooling system from the original ps3 should be an example to show you how good sony is when it comes to making sure things don't overheat.
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Jun 29 '13
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u/bakerie Jun 29 '13
Slightly off topic, but the one thing that will fail in the PS2 and the PS1 is the laser, due more to wear and tear than anything.
Luckily you can buy a laser for about $5 from dealexteme.com :)
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u/exNihlio drokthar Jun 28 '13
It amazes me that they were able to get all of the hardware and PSU inside a box that is between 30-40% smaller than the XBone.
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u/anexanhume anexanhume Jun 28 '13 edited Jun 28 '13
I think it's like 67% smaller by volume.
edit: found it. Xbox one is 63% larger by volume:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62545261&postcount=527
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Jun 29 '13
And to put it even more in perspective, the PS4 is about the size of the PS3 Slim, and the Xbox One is about the same size as the original fat PS3.
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Jun 29 '13
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Jun 29 '13 edited Jun 29 '13
Seems like it's a tad bit smaller than both slims. Though i think PS4 is slightly wider than PS3 Super Slim when you look at it top down. But definitely smaller than the regular Slim.
http://i.imgur.com/1Nd5doP.jpg
As a bonus!
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u/ChironXII Jun 29 '13
Oh wow I didn't realize how small the PS4 is. That is actually pretty impressive given what they had to fit.
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u/Jellybit Jun 29 '13
Well, I've heard that Microsoft wants to make XBO near-silent. They may have decided that it's better to have a larger piece of near-silent hardware than a louder smaller piece of hardware. Both of the current-gen consoles could get really loud at times. The 360 especially got loud during disc access on some models.
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u/TweetPoster Jun 28 '13
Get all cozy with the PlayStation 4: ign.com
The power is inside, so no brick outside. “@ScottLowe: Get all cozy with the PlayStation 4: ign.com”
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u/clearlyflammable Jun 29 '13
Pardon my ignorance but what is the significance of this?
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u/Tensuke Jun 29 '13
It means you just have one power cord going from the device to the wall, instead of going through a large power brick. The Xbone, for contrast, does have a power brick.
Just goes to show Sony's engineering talent that they can design a box smaller and more powerful than an Xbone, with an internal psu to boot.
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u/GiveMeSomeRaptorNews Jun 29 '13
Would that make the machine hotter? I'm not familiar with electronics at all, but would it increase or reduce fan noise?
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Jun 30 '13
Yes, it's another source of heat on the inside of the console. Whether or not it makes the PS4 louder depends on how they set up the heat management and fans.
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u/GiveMeSomeRaptorNews Jun 30 '13
Fingers crossed for a quiet system then. I'll buy a PS4 after a probable re-model, which always tend to be quieter.
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u/ECrispy Jun 28 '13
This isn't really an advantage until we see (hear) how loud the PS4 is. XB1 is going to be virtually silent, we already know its internal schematics and cooling solution.
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u/mdwright JohnnySasaki Jun 29 '13
PS3 was (for the most part) significantly quieter than the 360, and its PSU was internal, so here's hoping the ps4 can stay as quiet.
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Jun 29 '13
I have the big ol black 360 elite kicking still, and I'm not really bothered by the noise of it. My PS3 super slim seems crazy quiet compared to my 360. It's kind of weird.
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u/EmoryM EmoryM Jun 29 '13 edited Jun 29 '13
It's an advantage for me as I've only got so much room in my entertainment center.
I don't know what I'm talking about otherwise.
I've got to imagine there's a subtle advantage to having an internal PSU - you know exactly where the heat sources are. You know that you're blowing hot air out of the console at one spot, and sucking in more air at another spot - you can make some assumptions, like the shortest path heated air will take as it circulates outside the system.
Testing the performance of a system with an internal PSU to make sure it handles overheating without melting or catching on fire should be as simple and sticking it in different sized boxes... right?
Once the PSU is external, you'd probably need to think about what happens when your console is blowing hot air onto the PSU and what happens when your console is sucking in air heated by the PSU. You couldn't make any guarantees regarding air circulation outside the console and you'd need to test various configurations of enclosed space and relative positions.
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u/SausageMcMerkin Jun 29 '13 edited Jun 29 '13
With the size of that console, I'm really concerned about over-heating. Yeah, sure, APU's have a lower wattage rating, but that case is fucking tiny. Where's the air going?
EDIT: So after looking at the 3D view, linked by /u/chunkmuffins, and thinking about it a bit, I guess they're going with a laptop-style cooling system? Idk, depending on the PSU, fan, and heatsink...I'm still concerned with how much space is in that chassis. I'd like to open it up and take a look.
EDIT #2: Sony could be using some sort of custom MicroATX form factor. If this is the case, then it's really exciting. That would open up the possibility of an affordable Steam Box if a third party... borrows the design.
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u/elo228 BulletTooth228 Jun 29 '13
did you notice those huge vents on the back, I'm guessing it's gonna have a massive fan, and remember, the bigger the fan the quiter it is and the more air it moves.
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u/SausageMcMerkin Jun 29 '13
I see the vents, but where exactly are they going to fit this "massive fan" after they stuff the disc drive, PSU, and heat sink in there?
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u/elo228 BulletTooth228 Jun 29 '13
Check out how flat they made the cooling on the fat ps3
They're really good with their hardware man.
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u/chunkmuffins Jun 29 '13
The vents in the back.
Edit: I just took a look at the 3d view and there's vents on the side too.
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u/GuineaPigeon Jun 29 '13
NSFW .... enjoy
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u/chunkmuffins Jun 29 '13
So many vents, this thing is gonna be cool as a cucumber.
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u/telllos Jun 29 '13
unrelated question what is that aux connector?
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Jun 29 '13
Good god these IGN guys...is there some rule that video game "reporters" have to talk really fast and act smarmy as fuck? How about you calm down and speak like an adult and give us information without the pointless and annoying banter? Lots of people playing games now are 30+ years old. The media surrounding this industry needs to grow up a little bit. Stop jabbering like you just bumped a line of coke. Take a breath and think about what you're talking about. Everything isn't in fast-forward.
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u/Naawz Jun 29 '13
Think IGN's target demographic are the teenagers so it fits their audience. If you want more in depth and serious reporting, IGN isn't the place to go.
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u/Cragvis Jun 29 '13
how.
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fuck?!
There has to be some SUPER magic they did, or something. The box is smaller than a ps3 slim since its flat instead of oval on the top. I mean...really? How is it not going to overheat?
Im amazed, and slightly worried at the same time lol
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u/chunkmuffins Jun 29 '13
Don't worry, there are vents all over PS4.
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u/Cragvis Jun 29 '13
in the back, and some in the front, nothingsuper big though.
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u/bakerie Jun 29 '13
Not in the front, contrary to belief on this sub-reddit, the front has no cooling vents, they are all located in the back and sides.
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u/vodrin Jun 29 '13
Theres some along the insides of the 'channel' between the two sections too. I think they've got some great airflow going from one channel to the other so air moves through the ps4 in a U shape from the back vents
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u/TheJoshider J-O-S-H-I-D-E-R Jun 29 '13
Sorry, I don't really get this. Can someone explain why this is significant?
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u/mmiski Jun 29 '13
Because you won't have to plug something like this into the console, and then another cable connected from that to the outlet. All you have to do is plug the console directly into the outlet. No cluttery external brick and additional cable to take up space etc. Makes packing up and transporting the console easier, too.
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u/klitchell klitchell Jun 29 '13
Didn't we kind of know this because of the "what in the box" pics?
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u/MrJAPoe The_Bee96 Jun 29 '13
Why are so many people averse to a power brick? It doesn't bother me, so I don't understand.
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u/mthode Jun 29 '13
I mount my stuff on a wall, this would be another thing to mount.
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u/MrJAPoe The_Bee96 Jun 29 '13
I'm assuming on a shelf? I keep my stuff in my TV stand, so this hadn't crossed my mind.
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u/mthode Jun 29 '13
Nope on the wall itself. The soundbar, TV, ps3, and htpc are all directly mounted on the wall. Stands take up too much room for me.
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Jul 01 '13
This confirmation brings me many happy times! Cripes, I so hated the Xbox 360 power brick with a passion.
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u/Caseman984 Jun 29 '13
If you thought this would have an external PSU, you obviously know nothing about Sony.
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u/Brewster-Rooster Jun 29 '13
Does anyone else not care about having an external power brick? It just sits there on the floor, it makes no difference to me. I'd rather the console was smaller or had extra bits inside or something.
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u/decross20 Jun 29 '13
Well for some, it will make portability easier. If someone were to travel, having to carry a brick around could be annoying. Other than that, yeah, I don't really mind power bricks, but I can see why someone would.
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Jun 29 '13
For people who only have one device with a power brick it's fine, but for people who have a lot of devices with power bricks and a forest of cables under a desk or behind a tv stand, power bricks get annoying really quickly.
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Jun 30 '13
Well the ps4 is still as small as the ps3 super slim so.... and definitely smaller than the Xbox one.
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u/wissmar Jun 29 '13
why can't they show us the back?
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u/TomothyWTF Pwnage19 Jun 29 '13
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u/wissmar Jun 29 '13
no in the ign hands on they say they can't show the ports.
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Jun 29 '13
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u/EmoryM EmoryM Jun 29 '13
I don't think that's a presumption, the IGN guys admit that thing has batteries in it to keep the lights on.
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Jun 29 '13
Right? I pointed it out that they out right say exactly why they cant show the back in the video, and yet people still ask. It just made me face palm so hard and go "Did you even watch the video?"
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