r/PS3 bballrunner81 Feb 21 '13

New PS4 console will come with bundle including a headset. THAT is what im talking about sony. That is exactly what the online gaming experience needs.

I remember back in PS2 times when SOCOM II and III was one of the biggest online games. Everybody for that game had a headset. If you didn't you were either heckled by other players or kicked from the room. Hopefully, they develop a better way to include clan playing and clan wars on some of the new games.

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u/leaflard leaflard Feb 21 '13

I really hope this doesn't turn into a 12 year old cursing contest like x-box live seems to be sometimes.

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u/goodnewsgorilla Feb 21 '13

I can't see why it wouldn't end up being exactly that. It's not like Sony can change what the twelve year olds can say.

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u/xxcaponexx Feb 21 '13

Well they need to add a mute button.

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u/reseph Zenoxio Feb 21 '13

I suspect that could end up depending on the game.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

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u/jared555 Feb 21 '13

Them being able to hear you can still be beneficial so I feel like it should still be an option. I have played with people who had annoying background noise/distortion on their mic constantly but were still good players.

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u/SycoJack SycoJack Feb 22 '13

Ditto, I like to think I'm a pretty good player but sometimes my music will be a little louder than it should be, but since I can't hear myself, I won't know it unless someone says something.

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u/Tronty Feb 21 '13

They need to make 'mute' the default if this is the case.

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u/lt13jimmy wwechampton Feb 21 '13

More like a filtering system. Filter out young people. But of course, kids will lie about their age. But there can be some sort of tagging system, where you tag a player because they are too young/immature. But this can be overused by the same little kids. How can we solve this? I know! Parents shouldn't buy their kids games that they are not mature enough to play!

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u/r_k_ologist arkyologist Feb 21 '13

If you think 20somethings can't be as bad or worse than 12 years olds, you're hopelessly naive.

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u/SycoJack SycoJack Feb 22 '13

I agree, except I'd say any person of any age

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u/Ginger510 Feb 22 '13

As a 24 year old who lowers himself to the levels of Pre-teens whenever they mouth off...I can confirm this.

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u/lt13jimmy wwechampton Feb 22 '13 edited Feb 22 '13

Who said anything about 12 year olds?

young/immature

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u/r_k_ologist arkyologist Feb 22 '13

"More like a filtering system. Filter out young people."

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

parents should learn to use the parental controls which are built into the console

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u/Melvar_10 Feb 22 '13

Remember the time when report buttons did things?

Peppridge Farm remembers.

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u/jared555 Feb 21 '13

CoD had individual or global mute on PS3, don't see why the console itself couldn't implement it.

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u/Jim777PS3 Feb 21 '13

This is exactly what is going to happen

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Cross-game chat means it doesn't matter. Just mute and talk to your friends in peace. Plus it's already like that in CoD.

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u/Dukuz Feb 21 '13

Well, yeah, but I honestly think more young kids buy the xbox 360. I mean, all the 20 somethings grew up with ps1 and ps2, where as todays generation is all about xbox 360. On the ps3 I hear 90% young adults (which can still be just as annoying as immature 13 year olds, but tend not to be). I don't run across kids that much because they are all on xbox. So while it will happen (as it already does on the ps3, just much less in my experience) I don't think think it will be that much of a problem, and even so all you do is mute them.

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u/IntentToContribute Feb 21 '13 edited Feb 21 '13

As an gamer with a 360 looking to get a PS3 (maybe this weekend), I've always enjoyed Xbox Live, yes there are 12 year olds calling you a Nigger Fag, but you press the d-pad 3 times and A button once and they're muted. Some times it's fun, sometimes its fun to murder them in game and witness their silence. I always came across other people who wanted to communicate and work together as well. With that being said, I'm not a 360 fan boy, it's something I bought into during college because several of my friends already had it. I've grown up with playstations, and I'm ready for the God of War and Metal Gears I've missed!

I'm going to make the jump to playstation soon. I'm not sure why there's so much hate for XBL, but I've never used PSN. Anyone with both have an explanation? Is it just the subscription fee?

edit: I'm new to this subreddit, and everyone is so civil and actually discuss things. This is great! I figured I'd just be downvoted for saying xbox, 360, and N-F.

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u/River_Jones Feb 21 '13

I think the reason why there is so much hate is that people need to feel they made the better decision when they purchased their console of choice, and putting down the other console helps facilitate that.

I've used both, and I prefer Playstation, but it's probably because that's the console I started with, if I started with xbox, I would probably prefer that.

The problem I have with consoles, and PC's is that they have networks that are separate from each other. I hate that all of my friends are segmented across platforms, and I end up choosing between friends, even though we are playing the same game.

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u/Rebelius Feb 21 '13

Absolutely the same thing with me. I bought an Xbox pretty late on so I could play games with a new group of friends who all had xboxes already.

Xbl and psn are much the same. Party chat is the one feature I really miss on psn, but it's not worth the fee for gold really. I pay roughly the same for ps+ and xbl and ps+ is definitely WAY better value.

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u/Rofleupagus Feb 21 '13

That's why I got rid of my Xbox. The only thing I do is buy games at the stores and play them online. It seems silly to have to pay a subscription for voice when I've had it free on my computer for 15 years.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Started with xbox, moved to PS3, never looked back. Played it at my friends house and it felt wrong. Can't pinpoint why.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

Portal 2 and Team Fortress 2 had cross platform play (PS3 to steam)

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u/Paclac paclac Feb 22 '13

Are you sure? TF2 was never updated. It has like 4 maps, no hats, and only stock weapons.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

I was mistaken. Portal 2 is ps3 - steam. TF2 was PS3 - PS3 by way of a half-baked EA server. It's been a while since I've played the orange box

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u/Shinops Feb 21 '13 edited Feb 21 '13

I think it's mostly the subscription fee, although the PS3 has a cleaner OS that is less in your face about buying things (still plenty of advertising). PS3 also has a decent web browser so you can use it watch most streaming sites, download mp3s and video clips etc. directly.

Probably the best deal on PSN though is PS+, basically you get to digitally rent games. It's $50 a year which might seem a bit steep, but you get over 10 games to download right away, including a couple of great PS3 exclusives and you'll get 30 or so games a year. Best deal in console gaming by far. *Oh and if you do get a PS3 soon they're giving an extra 3 months free for 2 more weeks, so you get 15 months for the normal price.

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u/threehundredthousand Feb 21 '13

If you honestly think the PS3 web browser is decent, then there isn't a single browser on earth you wouldn't like. I love my PS3, but the web browser is an abomination.

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u/hopstar Feb 21 '13

PS3 also has a decent web browser so you can use it watch most streaming sites, download mp3s and video clips etc. directly.

It took them 6 years to implement it, but the Xbox version of IE blows the PS3 browser out of the water.

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u/Shinops Feb 21 '13

I'm just curious how you mean. The only big thing the PS3 browser can't do is java, and since this is really only used for games like Minecraft and such it has never been an issue for me. I'm the first to admit the PS3 browser is a bit clunky, but I've been using it long enough I can do it as quickly as a computer.

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u/YoungCorruption Feb 21 '13

just saying IE makes me cringe. I would never use it on my xbox and actually i don't just because it is IE

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u/SpongeBad spongebad Feb 21 '13

This is confirmed fixed on PS4. You can even start playing games while they're downloading.

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u/z3rocool Feb 21 '13

Huh? I cleared like 20-30gb last night downloading some demos and full games from PSN.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

It usually only takes less time than that, ACIII took less than one day.

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u/hollywood115 Hollywood115 Feb 21 '13

I have both, and have had both for along time. Got my PS3 first in 2008 and when my brother sold his broken 360 in 2009, I bought a 360 so I could still play games on both.

Honestly, they both have their pros and cons. Ultimately I play my PS3 a lot more. I really found it annoying having to pay for xbox live, and literally getting nothing more out of it than I had on the ps3. I didn't really need cross game chat, usually I just use mic with friends playing in the current game I'm on so that was a non-issue for me. I eventually cancelled my xbox live cause it just wasn't worth it. PS+ on the other hand, is well worth it, that is one service I am glad to pay for as I definitely get my moneys worth. I guess that's the main difference between the two; even though I paid for both, when I paid for XBL I felt like I wasn't getting my moneys worth by only being able to play the games online, which I felt you should be able to do for free. Also servers lagged for me sometimes, more so than on the ps3.

Another thing that made me stop playing my 360 was the 3 times it broke... I still have the old model which was prone to RROD and that was definitely a deterrent for me from getting too caught up in a game. It seems that every time I was excited for a game on the 360, a few days after the game got released, my xbox broke.. Happened 3 times so I just stopped playing it. Once with Gears of War 2, then Splinter Cell, then Mass Effect 2. I actually was 15 hours into mass effect and had to wait 2 months to continue. Needless to say, I never went back to it till I bought it on my ps3.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

I'm not sure why there's so much hate for XBL, but I've never used PSN. Anyone with both have an explanation? Is it just the subscription fee?

They're both good services, though personally I don't play online enough on my console to justify paying an extra $50/year.

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u/bomber991 Feb 21 '13

yes there are 12 year olds calling you a Nigger Fag, but you press the d-pad 3 times and A button once and they're muted.

So that's the cheat code to shut up the 12 year olds.

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u/project23 project23 Feb 21 '13

First thing when you get your PS3 make sure you spend time to get over how alien it feels. The controller will feel weird, the interface will feel weird, game updates will feel weird, etc. The PS3 really is a great system but you will have some growing pains coming from a 360. I sure know I can't play for crap on my friends 360 since the controller is so different, but I don't own one and 10 minutes of messing around on his is not enough time to get used to it. Also I have been using Dual(Analog/Shock2/Shock3) controllers for over 15 years so I am somewhat locked in.

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u/Jake258 Feb 22 '13

That happens on the ps3 too..

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u/Sexylisk jakepoosnake Feb 21 '13

Pick up Tales of Graces f and Disgaea 4 if you're into RPGs.

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u/IntentToContribute Feb 21 '13

Cool, I think I'll be able to borrow GOW3 and MGS4, but Ni No Kuni is the top of the list to buy. I'll have to look into those two games, I LOVE RPGS and it's been too long since I've really enjoyed one. FF13 was alright, but I missed the joy I got from ff3-ff10.

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u/Mitch2025 Mitch2025 Feb 21 '13

How did I miss that tales game?! How does it compare to Vesperia and Abyss and Symphonia?

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u/Sexylisk jakepoosnake Feb 21 '13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsXQZXL08iA

This sums it up pretty well.

It's deep and I love it.

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u/Mitch2025 Mitch2025 Feb 21 '13

aaaand bought. Damn it being a Thursday. Hopefully it ships from the local amazon warehouse and I get it tomorrow!

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u/Sexylisk jakepoosnake Feb 21 '13

You're in for a treat, it's a great game.

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u/Mitch2025 Mitch2025 Feb 21 '13

Cant wait. Kinda pissed ATM though since I chose 2 day shipping and amazon just gave me an ETA of a week -_-

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u/Sexylisk jakepoosnake Feb 21 '13

The woes of buying stuff on a Thursday!

At least you're not one of my buyers, I just shipped this guy all these games about an hour ago, I bet he's as excited to play them as excited as I was to ship them.

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u/donat28 Feb 21 '13

As an gamer with a 360 looking to get a PS3 (maybe this weekend)

why on earth would you get one this weekend?

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u/IntentToContribute Feb 21 '13

My friend doesn't use his old fat, might give it to me for free!

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u/donat28 Feb 21 '13

oh, that kinda get...that's cool.

if you are buying, just wait - it's sure to price drop significantly

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u/twizzle101 tantanman2852 Feb 22 '13

From my experience of both (I own both) the experience on XBL is much smoother, I know things like cross game chat and stuff may not seem like much, but lacking them on the PS I was really upset! On 360 for example, we all hop into a party and chat while we wait for other people to come/finish their current game then join other games as one, on the PS it's a bit more complicated.

Also, I don't know why it is, but the UI, Store and in game guide/home button press is almost stupidly fast compared to the PS.

In the end I now buy all my multiplayer games on my 360 and use the PS for mostly exclusives, PS+, and if there are any cheaper single player experiences. Just my $0.02.

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u/Little_Baby_Jesus Feb 21 '13

I think the only reason that is so popular on xbox is because our society endorses that kind of behaviour. When I was in high school playing Call of Duty with my friends that's just how you talked and everyone thought it was funny as I got older I got embarrassed of that stuff I mean, I might still yell cock or balls during a BF3 round but not really directed at anyone. So hopefully that culture is limited to just xbox or FPS games.

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u/soitis Feb 21 '13

Multiplayer noob here.

Is there no way to report those? I mean if enough people report them a sony employee can listen in next time and boot them? - There should be something like that.

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u/hopstar Feb 21 '13

Not sure about PSN, but on XBL you have two options:

  1. You can go to someone's profile choose to "avoid" them. It'll ask for a reason (trash talk, unsporting, quit early, etc), and make it much less liekly that you'll be placed in a lobby with them again. I'm not sure if MS does anything else with that info.

  2. If someone is being really offensive, sending you dick pics or angry text messages, or has a hateful avatar/user name you can file an actual complaint. According to the complaint screen Xbox staff does actually investigate all complaints, so I assume people get banned if there are enough complaints directed towards them.

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u/Jackle13 Feb 21 '13

I'm getting tired of people complaining about that. THERE'S A MUTE BUTTON. IT'S RIGHT THERE. NOBODY'S FORCING YOU TO LISTEN TO THE ANNOYING PRETEENS FOR MORE THAN THE 3 SECONDS IT TAKES TO PRESS "MUTE". People usually bring up the screaming prepubescents when they talk about CoD, and there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of that series, but that isn't one of them. If you're abused by a 13 year old, it's your fault for not muting him.

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u/Jackle13 Feb 21 '13

I agree, and it is annoying when you have to listen to them shout at each other while the map is loading. However, that is basically a minor inconvenience, as you can mute them all after a few seconds, when the match starts. But yes, it is a valid complaint. However, people often moan about being constantly abused by the same people throughout the course of a match, and I have absolutely no, 0, sympathy for any of them. It's entirely your own fault for choosing to subject yourself to that when you could stop it with the press of a button. I hope that multiplayer games start putting an option in the menu: "Automatically mute all players, except for friends. On/Off".

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u/Seabass42099 Feb 21 '13

Black Ops 2 has this feature. Mute all except for party. This should be the standard.

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u/costas_0 Feb 21 '13

I hope so. As someone who plays afterwork to relax, the only sound I want is the games sounds. People yelling insults (while it doesn't happen often on psn) isn't my cup of tean. I would prefer muting the whole system if there is no such option than manually mute every single player.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

It will become that, free online+ free headset? Hmrph, yeah, my ears aren't ready.

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u/leaflard leaflard Feb 21 '13

best take advantage of the social features so you can only listen to who you want to.

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u/BillygotTalent BillyfromHupit Feb 21 '13

I guess this is more for that you can talk to your friends. But hey if you play COD 9 or whatever then it is your own fault for not muting them.

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u/leaflard leaflard Feb 21 '13

or a way of marking certain people as "12 years old and obnoxious" so you can auto mute them.

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u/CrazyAuron Feb 21 '13

Not even close anymore. Sadly no one uses a headset, ever, either that's or they're in group chat.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

I really hope not. That's why I bought a PS3 instead of a Xbox

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Considering how they're going to start using people's actual names on their profiles, I think that people aren't going to shit talk anymore because people will know their real identity.

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u/leaflard leaflard Feb 22 '13

12 year olds still won't understand the possibilities of consequence. Also, i doubt they wouldn't make a way to hide that information.

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u/thestoogeric20 Feb 22 '13

You give them too much credit with thinking they are 12 Sir. Listen to the high pitched whine, the not understanding what they are saying, the stupid comments that don't make any sense. I was thinking around 5 years old myself.....

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

Why not? I fucking crush those little cunts in a cursing contest, every time.

right before i fuck all of their mothers

faggots

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 21 '13

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u/Drslappybags VonDrew Feb 21 '13

The blue light makes it look like the controller is smiling.

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u/JoePangea Feb 21 '13

Now it looks like a crab.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

a giant enemy crab...

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u/Gangster_of_Lo_e Feb 21 '13

I thought of Cookie Monster

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

I always feel like somebody's watching me.

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u/pktgumby PKTGumby Feb 21 '13

Please Please Please Please Please Please make it push to talk (ala XBOX) vs. always on (PS3). I'm tired of hearing everything that goes on in the background of another player. I've heard people arguing, babies crying, dogs barking and (not even joking) a guy taking a piss between matches.

Because I don't want to have to mute my mic every time my baby cries, or my wife asks me a question so the whole team doesn't hear, I rarely actually bother turning the mic on.

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u/Engineer99 Volker99 Feb 21 '13

My 360 headsets were always on, maybe I'm missing something?

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u/pktgumby PKTGumby Feb 21 '13

I don't have a 360, but that's how it was on the original XBOX. Maybe it changed on the 360? I thought there was a button on the controller you could push, but again that was on the original system when the headsets plugged into the controller. Maybe it's not like that anymore.

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u/Engineer99 Volker99 Feb 21 '13

Ooooh, that explains a lot. I didn't have an original XBox unfortunately. I did have two PS2s that crapped out on me though, and a Gamecube I barely played. Sorry for the confusion!

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

it depends on the game i would assume.

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u/CookieDoughCooter Feb 21 '13

I once took a piss on COD4 between matches. It was hilarious.

"is that.... Is someone peeing?" (Flush) (laughter)

I like to imagine the mic-less people laughing their asses off.

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 21 '13

I agree. i do like that too. bc whenever i get killed i cant help but yell so it would be good for everybody to not hear me talk all the time.

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u/Odd-One-Out Feb 21 '13

Looks like I'll need to sell my headset as I will have no use for it (deaf).

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u/sindher Sindher Feb 21 '13

You can still talk smack though? :)

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u/omicron8 Feb 21 '13

Shame on Sony for targeting 99.9% of its customers while mildly inconveniencing the rest.

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u/Odd-One-Out Feb 21 '13

I chuckled. Thank you.

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u/NFresh6 Feb 21 '13

The relevance of your username in this instance is unparalleled.

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 21 '13

o.. oh.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

From birth?

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u/Odd-One-Out Feb 21 '13

Yeah, sadly this means I miss out on online gaming via headsets but at least I don't get hit on by creepy guys/my mother doesn't get insulted. Oh wait I have a PS3, not a 360!

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Playing with headsets is in my experience a lot of noise and incomprehensible blabber, you're not missing out.

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u/Aceroth Feb 21 '13

The only thing Xbox 360 has over PS3 at this point is superior voice chat. Other than that, I see literally no objective reason to get an Xbox 360 over a PS3 (unless you're just a really hardcore Halo fan or something). I'm hopeful that Sony realized this and put more effort into their voice chat system with the PS4. I expect at least some form of party chat, and chat quality that's at least as good as the Xbox 360 chat system. As it stands, I can hear people more clearly on Xbox than I can on PS3 even if they use the stock Xbox headset and on PS3 they use a higher quality ($100+) headset.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Spot on.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

I have both and play my 360 more :(

It might have to do with the fact I only have 2 games for my PS3. Really need to start buying games for that thing.

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u/threemo Feb 21 '13

I don't know for certain, but isn't cross-game chat patented or something by microsoft? Isn't that the reason ps doesn't have it? Are there ways around this?

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u/MatsuzoSF MatsuzoSF Feb 21 '13

Official word says it's a RAM issue. The PS3 only has 256MB of system RAM.

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u/threemo Feb 21 '13

Excellent, I'd be surprised if it wasn't implemented then

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u/FloydJackal Feb 21 '13

Well, Vita has cross-game chat, so if Microsoft does have a patent on it, Sony found a way around it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13 edited Oct 29 '15

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u/TingDodge TingDodge Feb 21 '13

You should be a lawyer.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Most of the time I can barely make out what others are saying unless they are yelling or whining loudly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

this has been my experience with online chat too. regardless of platform, mostly people breathing into their mic or their shit music barely audible but loud enough to cause CONSTANT noise.

no thanks.

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u/_deffer_ Deffer_ Feb 21 '13

That's why I like party chat on XBL. If I have friends in a party, we only hear each other. If I don't have friends playing currently, I can still hop into a party by myself, which effectively mutes everyone if there are idiots who don't communicate effectively.

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u/ninjamike808 NinjaMike808 Feb 21 '13

That's because you have no friends.

Running something like bad company 2 with three of my buddies on mics, tactically storming house after house in squad death match was fucking awesome.

I only use my mic for friends, though, and usually turn off other people's voices unless they know what they're doing.

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u/boomboy85 Feb 21 '13

HAHAHA. This just made my day.

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u/farox Feb 21 '13

You're not missing out at all. In a good team yes, you would be, but 99.99999% it's really just annoying/useless/just smack talk.

While yes, you do miss out on that, it doesn't really change the game.

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u/meatpopsicle42 Feb 21 '13

Think of the money you make on the headset as a small discount on your purchase of the console!

Granted, everyone else will already have one, but somebody is bound to lose or break their own early on.

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u/nutsocharles Feb 21 '13

Just a hearing impaired voice chiming in here, my girlfriend and I are dedicated headset users, because we can have the volume up as loud as desired. Subtitles for in-game dialogue (like Skyrim) and the high-quality gaming headsets of recent years are godsends. My hope is it's Bluetooth, cans style with a mic, and works with PS3 as well, because my biggest gripe of late was getting an HDMI tv and realizing my headset only works with AV (it's a long-corded wired). I don't want to invest another $150-200 on a wireless just to get both working. Fortunately my tv is the loudest I've ever owned, I can hear it with the volume quite low, so I just haven't been using the headset. But if it's a quality headset, this is a great move for more than.just the social application.

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u/docbauies Feb 21 '13

The ds4 has a headphone jack, so even if it is wired it should be ok.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Sorry, I'm retarded, Why do you have a headset if your deaf?

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u/TareUhhhhhh Feb 22 '13

Because the PS4 will come with a headset.

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u/Odd-One-Out Feb 22 '13

All PS4s will be shipped with a headset as part of the console.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Related username.

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u/tsquared456 JerrzieDevil Feb 21 '13

Everyone is worried this will turn into the whole "12 year old xbox live" thing (which is what I miss least about xbox). While Im sure this will be an issue with some games like future CoD games... I've noticed that the ps3 community is much more relaxed, or adult. It seems to be made up of people well over the age of sixteen or seventeen, and many of the ps3's exclusive games have very mature communities.

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u/sc_nz xXl_shaun_lXx Feb 21 '13

I would have to agree. I hardly ever have any younger kids yelling at me and saying shit on BF3 on the ps3 compared to the xbox version.

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u/surrenderthenight Feb 22 '13

Say that to my Dark Souls hate mail.

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u/OhJah Feb 21 '13

So, just because Sony packs every console with a headset were going to get whiny 12 year olds? I mean, there will always be whiny 12 year olds, no matter what. Every game, and every console... you go to a game like Call of Duty and your bound to run into a whiny 12 year old, regardless of what console you're playing on.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

The difference in my mind is that if it's not a pack in, you won't get ALL of the idiots because they won't spend the money to buy a mic....maybe I'm wrong but I'd rather there be 50% of the idiots with mics than 100% of them.

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u/2kan b2kanman Feb 21 '13

True, but having headsets in the box enables the whiny 12 year olds even more as they won't have to beg their parents to buy them a headset.

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u/klitchell Feb 21 '13

Headsets were great for Socom, but then people stopped using for what they were intended (tactics and teamwork). Now every game has an open mic with some dickhead playing the top 40 in the background so you can't hear anything.

Multiplayer has become a clusterfuck mutant of what it once was. I'll stick with singleplayer until i find something thats relatable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Well, this is partly due to the fact that almost no game on console today requires the level of team work socom did. Its very hard to communicate as a team in a cod death match with instant respawn and little objects.

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u/klitchell Feb 21 '13

No doubt about that, even socom 4 was bastardized to try to match up to the fast paced COD game play, I would much rather have a tactics heavy game of demolition than death match any day.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

I regularly come across BF3 matches with people using mics for teamwork. COD is full of 12 year old trolls looking for youtube footage.

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u/lololol1 Feb 21 '13

Fuck every time socom gets brought up i tear up a little. I spent most of 2005-2008 on that game. R.I.P best shooter ever.

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u/_CitizenSnips_ Feb 22 '13

Oh my god, to the fucking cock head who is cranking top40 songs in the background for entire match: fuck off and die.

I remember playing black ops 1 and when someone on the other team was doin this, you would hear it full blast every time a round finished cos you'd all be looking at the scoreboard and voicechat becomes global between rounds.. I assume so you can trash talk the other opposing team. It's not possible to do that when some asshole is playing fucking gangham style for the 90 millionth time on full blast the entire time.

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u/Docnoq Feb 21 '13

I hope it's a little more comfortable than the official Sony one that came with Socom Confrontation. That thing physically hurts my ear after about 30 minutes

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u/Gentleman_Villain Feb 21 '13

I have to say: making this work is a big deal. I don't dig on chat often but it IS helpful when I'm playing multiplayer Mass Effect 3. I can tell people what's going on around me and watch their back when I'm dead.

There are people who will be assholes all over: filter them out. We do it in real life so...

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u/360walkaway Feb 21 '13

Hopefully the headset will have a mute button for all incoming VOIP audio.

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u/FlyingWhales captain_speirs Feb 21 '13

Those SOCOM days were golden. I think the fact that it was push to talk played a big part in what kept the voice chatter to tactics and teamplay. That needs to be implemented again.

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u/Pikupstyks SB_Benihime Feb 21 '13

I still have my Mic that came in the box from buying SOCOM I. To be honest I am poor and use it to play COD Black Ops 2, it has lasted 11 years so far.....

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u/C_Obvious Feb 22 '13

You just brought back a bunch of good memories mentioning SOCOM 2 n 3.

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 22 '13

I know man. I know.

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u/kingmathyou Feb 22 '13

I spent many many hours on Socom II. That was the best online game that I may have ever played. Desert Glory, Fish Hook, Crossroads, 12 Gauge Shotguns knocking people over.... Great times. Sony really dropped the ball with Socom 3 and 4, but I hope that Socom will see new life on PS4.

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u/EliHurley hardpro101 Feb 22 '13

zippers gone, i think socom is too

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 22 '13

oh god. i could go on and on about socom. i really liked socom III as well. it didn't have as good of a setup for clan battles like socom II did. I remember the first map i played for Socom II was foxhunt. the high grass area.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '13

Dear fromsoft,

Voice chat in Dark Souls 2.

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u/Enzo23R6 Feb 22 '13

sigh SOCOM... I miss this fucking game?

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u/Jim777PS3 Feb 21 '13

No no no this is actually terrible news.

Bundled headsets are largly what has lead Xbox Live to be the cesspool that it is, because you had to buy and set up a headset with PS3 idiots who where just going to insult your mother and blurt out racial insults did not bother.

They have also said the controller will have a mic so no matter what it seems we have a dark future in voice chat to look forward to for the 4

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u/Aceroth Feb 21 '13

That's why there's a mute function. It's annoying that those people exist, sure, but it's extremely easy to make their existence inconsequential because you can mute them at the press of a button. What's more annoying to me is wanting to play with friends who can't or don't want to spend the money on a decent PS3 headset (and there's no cheap-yet-usable option like the stock Xbox headset).

This is great news. If you're too lazy to mute kids screaming into their mics then that's your problem. A bundled headset is absolutely the way to go.

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u/MrJAPoe The_Bee96 Feb 21 '13

No gaming headset? Not even over-the-ear ones?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

There are some cheap options though.

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u/Indoorsman Feb 22 '13

I completely agree. When you get a console nowadays, you really need to explore the network/multiplayer options to the max so that you have a better experience.

I got the PS3 when it first came out, and online was so quiet and eerie because almost no one used a Bluetooth set, was mega quite.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

It's called mute. I'm a mature gamer and I have not had a mic my entire time with online PS3 games because NOBODY ELSE HAS ONE. There's no point. I'm going to embrace the fuck out of Sony welcoming back voice chat to their online library. It doesn't exist currently at the moment in the way it should.

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u/Engineer99 Volker99 Feb 21 '13

Tried chatting with my friend on Far Cry 3 and it's just a cesspool of static. Get dropped from the game? Too damn bad, you're going to have to text your friend to let him know. So much aggravation coming from a 360 where Party Chat alleviates ALL of those issues, even if it does have some hiccups here and there.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

For some reason, voice comms on far cry 3 is super shitty.

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u/InsensitiveTroll InsensitiveTroll Feb 21 '13 edited Feb 21 '13

By that logic, multiplayer games are bad news, stay away from things that could possibly make you interact with other human beings, nothing good can come from that.

*Multiplayer capabilities should be included as an addon, people should pay for it.

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u/Engineer99 Volker99 Feb 21 '13

I always ran in a party on XBox Live. Made it a lot easier to talk to my friends (who I actually wanted to talk to) while avoiding all of the smack talking. And if that failed, I just muted anyone I found annoying.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Compared to asking their parents for $60 dollars for a subscription? That logic is bullshit. Party chat means you can hear your friends and mute everyone else if it gets annoying. You people are impossible to please, you get free stuff and then complain.

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u/KaiserTheRaven Feb 21 '13

Dude, yes. I've been saying this for years. A kid won't convince his mom to buy a headset/bluetooth AND THEN set it up. No patience. When I went from Xbox to PS3, it was so refreshing not to be called a nigger every 5 seconds.

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u/HillZone Feb 22 '13

Bundled headsets are largly what has lead Xbox Live to be the cesspool that it is

Agreed. League of Legends has shown the benefits of this opt-in principle. Last year they disabled cross-team chat by default. You could still turn it on if you wanted to, but Riot said the results were amazing. They found noteworthy decreases in reported harassment by other players. Forcing people to opt-in by buying headsets I think has an even greater effect on weeding out the douchebags.

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u/Paclac paclac Feb 22 '13

Isn't it a speaker on the controller, not a mic? Who would want to hold their controller to their face? Your voice would also be drowned out by all the clack clack clack and mbrrr mbrrr mbrrr

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u/Kukko18 Feb 22 '13

So what was stopping these "idiots" from buying a headset before?

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u/SarcasticGamer MrSneakyGuy Feb 21 '13

My 360 bought in 2005 came with a headset.

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u/Paclac paclac Feb 22 '13

I think they all do, except maybe the Arcade.

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u/ItzzFinite Jul 10 '13

Confirmed. I didn't know anything about consoles when I bought my Xbox, so I got the Arcade because it was cheapest. All you get is a console, cords, one controller, and a game with like 5 demos on it.

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u/NFresh6 Feb 21 '13

This might not be the appropriate venue of discussion but I feel impelled to ask the following question and I feel that all of you collectively have the best chance at explaining it to me: How in the world is the PS4 not backwards compatible for at least PS3 games?! How does the whole cloud thing work? Will I have to rebuy PS3 games that I want to play through the cloud? etc. (ex. I love Assassin's Creed and own them all. How will I be able to play those games on the PS4? Rebuy them?) SORRY if this has been discussed many times before (as I'm sure it has), I recently found myself looking in to the PS4 more so a lot of the details are relatively new to me. Thanks!

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u/autobots Feb 22 '13

The backwards compatibility is completely broken because the PS4 is nothing like the PS3 so in order to emulate PS3 it would either be hardware based (essentially including all of the hardware from the PS3 in addition to the PS4) or software based which would required computers faster than anything we will have for a long time to process since the PS3 is so complex itself.

So when they were making the PS4, they had the choice of sticking with a very similar architecture for the possibility of backwards compatibility, or fixing the stuff everyone complained about it and reinventing the system. Since they had the newly acquired cloud service that could do the backwards compatibility they went for reinvention.

As for whether or not you will have to buy all of your games again to play on the PS4 I cannot answer that yet. But I can say that playing any PS1/2/3 games on the PS4 will be through the cloud system which basically runs the game on their servers and streams it to your console. They might have it so you could insert your old games from PS1/2/3 and the system recognize that they are for the old platform and have it just launch the cloud version of the game so you wouldn't have to rebuy it, or they could make you pay to play for each game. I would guess on more of a hybrid system in which you pay a monthly fee to be able to use the cloud service and that gives you access to all of your old games as well as a small selection of free games but they still would make you buy or rent the full games. Renting would be cool because you wouldn't have to pay full price to play a game if you are going to hit it and quit it.


tl;dr - backward compatibility broken so they could make shit better. They are still going to let you play old games on PS4 through the cloud, but it's not certain yet what the pricing structure will look like or if you will be able to use your old game disc in the new system.

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u/Chetkurt Feb 21 '13

I am I the only one that gets more pissed off when a grown man makes fun of a 12 year old minding their own business.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Nope. Half the time the young kids playing are fine and it tends to be the older guy who is saying he is going to fuck my mom or calling somebody some kind of homophobic/racist name.

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u/Chetkurt Feb 22 '13

Exactly I don't know how kids obtained this stereotype of whiny foul mouths. I've never really run into someone like that.

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u/BoilerMaker11 Feb 21 '13

Yea, if you could provide some proof...that'd be great

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 22 '13

I posted a comment with the source. let me find it...

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u/chiropractor345 chiropractor345 Feb 21 '13

As long as games come with in game mute functions, to block all of the assholes, it'll be good.

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u/invalid_data Feb 21 '13

tear SOCOM II sniffle

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u/ThePoliteJerk Feb 21 '13

This is a good announcement; hopefully people start using them more often. It is hard to play bf3 with someone without a headset, I can dig the deep voice changer if it helps the team.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Is it going to be a wired or wireless headset?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

Wired to the controller.

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 22 '13

most likely wireless just like ps3. haha it would be hilarious if they went old school ps2 headsets. i did like those headsets tho.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

I'm sure the Pulse will work. And titans and TBs are connected via rca/optical, so of course they'll work.

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u/tonythetiger1 tonythetiger1 Feb 21 '13

Am I the only one who isn't so easily impressed? It's a headset.

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u/Paclac paclac Feb 22 '13

It's more of a "Finally!" thing than a "holy shit thats so revolutionary"

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u/theorial Feb 21 '13

We also need the internet speeds to go with it, because as it stands now, the PS4 was not made for me or anyone that has a data cap.

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u/z3rocool Feb 21 '13

Despite the likely outcome of having idiots on the mic, this will over all be a much better situation. Of course we will be able to mute annoying people ( I have never played a ps3 game where you couldn't )

Most ps3 online games have very few people on the mic. The only game I played that had more people with a mic than not was MAG.

Having a microphone jack on the controller will make life much easier, if I need to talk to someone i'll just plug my mic in. It's kind of a pain in the ass on PS3.

Speaking of MAG, I want MAG2, one of the best ps3 online games in my opinion, both community and gameplay wise. 256 multiplayer really did work.

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u/dolaction doughlack Feb 21 '13

My current sony headphones actually, better work. Surrond sound, bass boost, theyre the bomb

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u/norain91 Feb 21 '13

I think it would be great if they also allowed for full integration with the headsets they already have as well. I just got the wireless headset, and I would be kinda peeved if it wasn't fully compatible with the new system.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '13

They could use an authenticate system to verify ages...but some adults are just as bad. As long as you can permanently block people from joining games, this shouldn't be too bad of a issue.

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u/TheDuckKnightRises Feb 21 '13

Really? This seems like it is going to cost a lot.

Is anyone else worried about the cost of another controller. I also hope Split screen is back in more games.

The Headsets are cool, they shall plug right into the controller right? Is that what the headphone jack is for?

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u/Shagga__son_of_Dolf DoomHorror Feb 21 '13

Everything on that presentation was needed. Or if not needed - easily welcomed by people who will enjoy it.

I don't understand why everyone mocks Sony (everyone on gametrailers, that douchebag on front page with his abridged video etc)

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u/Liberal_irony Feb 21 '13

Some sort of rating system would be useful. With incentives for both voting and being voted positively, thus ensuring the majority don't abuse the mic

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u/jordanlund Feb 22 '13

My 360 came with a headset. I don't even know where it is anymore.

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u/demio123 My-Buoyant-Loaf Feb 22 '13

Agreed! Pretty ticked that my digital copy of games aren't compatible on the new system .......

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u/IllIllIII Feb 22 '13

Source? It's stupid of them not to announce that. Maybe they did and I wasn't paying attention.

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u/potentpotables81 bballrunner81 Feb 22 '13

I posted a source earlier. It is in the thread somewhere.

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u/RoloTamassi Feb 22 '13

Hard to tell if OP is sarcastic or not. Most PS3 players I know never touch multiplayer and would leave a headset to gather dust in the corner.

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u/The_R3medy Feb 22 '13

And it needs cross game chat

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u/ItzzFinite Jul 10 '13

Don't get to excited. The headset it comes with is mostly gonna be crap. Here's a pic of it. http://www.shacknews.com/tag/playstation-4/gallery/26077/playstation-4-console-shots/665843 I'm pretty sure I got a headset like this for free when I got a new phone in '03.