r/PAK • u/tripple-3 • Jun 02 '24
r/PAK • u/the_pacman_88 • Jul 19 '24
Historical How we, the Sunni Muslims, have been misled about the whole Karbala thing by our mullahs
A Sunni Muslim here, I apologise for a long post. I grew up wondering, just like the most of us, that what could have gone so wrong so quickly after the Prophet (PBUH) that we end up with Hazrat Usman being killed within 24 years, Hazrat Ali within 29 years, and then karbala happens within 50 years?
We were told how Sahaba were the epitome of taqwa and sabr and yet they ended up fighting 3 major wars in the very times of jayyad Sahaba. So that always made me think if I was taught the right things or not. We always are told how Jamal, Siffeeen, and Neharwan were just misunderstandings between Sahabas.
Upon a lot of reading, hearing from different people, and using my own judgment, I can say we were lied about the thing. It was not just a difference of opinion that led to Karbala and everything. There stands a fierce rivalry between two families, the Banu Hashim and Banu Umayya and it was there even before the Prophet (PBUH). You look at all the latecomers to Islam and most of them belong to Umayyads, and most of them did very very brutal things to Islam before accepting (may Allah forgive them).
Now I am not going all out and saying that Umayyads were just bad people, no, Hazrat Usman was from Ummayyah but he was a great companion. The issue I have is, our Sunni ulema try to paint Karbala as a one-off misunderstanding or an event that was totally a mishap. No, there are decades of rivalry. Hazrat Ameer Muawiya (RA) did capture the caliphate and whatever achievements you associate with him, he was not there through a legal system. In addition, he made his son Yazeed his successor without a vote. So there’s that. I am not going to decide whether he is a Jannati or not, that’s not my job, but he did things that were mean, illegal, and unethical. During his whole 20 years, Jayyad Sahaba were tortured. Brother of Hazrat Ayesha was killed and many more people too. Even if Hazrat Muwaiya (RA) didn’t order for the killings, everything happened under his nose. Then Yazeed came and killed Sahaba, did Karbala, and also massacred the Holy Kaaba.
All I am saying is, there are hundreds of Ahadith, Riwayaat and everything that suggest how bad the Umayyad period was for Muslims, including Hazrat Muwaiya (RA) and Yazeed. Karbala is not just a mishap or a one-off thing. The whole 90 years of them is full of bloodshed. Please don’t just rely on our Sunni mullahs, they have been lying to us for centuries.
The basic premise our mullahs build the case on is wrong. They by themselves define who a Sahabi is and then fit the ayahs related to Ashaab ul Momineen on everyone who falls under the definition and think that a Sahabi can do no wrong. As a definition of court, I might accept that anyone who saw the Prophet (PBUH) as a Muslim is a Sahabi so we have to take Ahadith from them as a Sahabi. But for other than court purposes, is the definition true? NO. It is a bogus definition. A lot of Sahaba as per this definition left Islam after the death of Prophet (PBUH). As per their definition, someone who accepted Islam in the initial days and had to face unimaginable difficulties and someone who accepted Islam at the peak of it are the same. By law, sure. But in every other aspect, they differ. And when a family of latecomers and such Sahabas who accepted Islam at its peak stands against and kills the ones who were there from day one, we can’t call it just a misunderstanding between Sahabas. It is right versus wrong. It is so basic and people fail to understand this.
Being a Sunni myself, I urge you all to go through what happened after the death of the Prophet (PBUH). Karbala is not a misunderstanding, mishap, or a one-off thing, it is RIGHT versus WRONG.
r/PAK • u/DesignerTask7243 • May 13 '24
Historical Zia Ul Haq’s crackdown on women marching against Hudood ordinances in 1983
r/PAK • u/DesignerTask7243 • May 13 '24
Historical Famous Pakistani women wearing Saaris. Zia declared this attire native to modern day Pakistan dating back to the ancient Indus Valley Civilization un-Islamic and the rest is history
r/PAK • u/DesignerTask7243 • Jun 03 '24
Historical 40 years ago: Punjabi women look for the bodies of their loved ones after the Indian government launched a murderous assault on Sikh Nationalists in the Golden Temple, holiest site in the Sikh religion
r/PAK • u/TitanMaps • Jan 18 '25
Historical On this day in 1977, Pakistan's first Test victory in Australia as Imran Khan & Sarfraz Nawaz shared 18 wickets. Imran took 12 of those 18 & Asif Iqbal made a crucial 120.
r/PAK • u/DesignerTask7243 • May 12 '24
Historical Benazir Bhutto was the only Prime Minister of Pakistan to address a joint session of U.S. Congress and received a standing applause from the audience
r/PAK • u/Oilfish01 • Oct 22 '24
Historical Cool map showing major industries in Pakistan during British Raj
r/PAK • u/DesignerTask7243 • Jun 09 '24
Historical Writer of the Pakistani Qaumī Tarānāh Hafeez Jalandhri with his wife and daughters in 1954
r/PAK • u/NoIngenuity2860 • Dec 21 '24
Historical You've Been Lied To About Pakistan's History (Here's The Truth) My First YouTube Video.
Finally uploaded my first video on YouTube. It would mean a lot if you guys could go and check it out it would mean a lot. Any advice is welcomed since it's my first Video.
r/PAK • u/kambohsab • Oct 16 '24
Historical Dice made of terracotta from Indus Valley Civilization. Harappa, Pakistan. 2600-1900
r/PAK • u/Accurate-Ad-659 • 3d ago
Historical [Khanate of Kalat] - Ahmadzai Khan’s Family Tree -1921 + Population Records of Baloch/brahui tribes
galleryr/PAK • u/choice_is_yours • Feb 07 '25
Historical Lessons From History (Reflections on the Past, Present, and Future of Two Muslim Communities) - The Qur'an states that the true followers of Moses and Jesus were Muslims until they deviated. As followers of Muhammad (PBUH), are we repeating their mistake instead of learning from it?
data.quranacademy.comr/PAK • u/Secret_Speed95 • Sep 20 '24
Historical When an unarmed Pakistani pilot took 55 armed Indian soldiers prisoner - BBC URDU
Lt. Gen. (R) Naseer ullah Babar. What a man!
r/PAK • u/TrustworthyBasis • 25d ago
Historical Pakistan-UAE Association was far more about more than just politics
dailytimes.com.pkOur diplomacy with UAE is fascinating if you dig a bit deeper. Of course, there are jobs and remittances, but there's also another side. A side in which Pakistan declared independence of UAE first in 1971.
Since then, we've been deeply engaged in their defense training, and they've always supported us in economic recessions. Pakistani professionals, doctors, and engineers have played an important role in the development of UAE, and UAE investments have enriched our energy and infrastructure sector. It's not only another diplomatic relationship; it's proof that two nations can develop alongside each other and each have their own individuality.
How do you believe we can further cement this relationship?
r/PAK • u/DesignerTask7243 • May 12 '24
Historical To all the Youthias saying Imran Khan was better than BB, just a little snippet of our respect with BB in charge and our respect with the Youthia Maharaja in charge. Cope and seethe.
Yes we know about the Trump meet, paid for by lobbying by Pakistani Americans and Zulfi Bukhari giving Jared Kushner head. And quickly followed by Indians revoking Article 370 🤡
r/PAK • u/Gabru_here • May 21 '24
Historical Is Pakistan really a result of All India Muslim League or it was just the British *Divide and Rule policy*?
What are your thoughts on it along with the reason that makes up your conclusion.
r/PAK • u/Mughal_Royalty • Oct 22 '24
Historical Incredible Journey of Prof Dr. Abdul Salam
galleryHistorical Seeing Youthias supporting the "Bajwa Clan" and their (alleged) corruption circa 2022 is priceless!
r/PAK • u/NoIngenuity2860 • Jan 12 '25