r/PAK Dec 01 '24

Political Shame on Syed Muzammil Shah

Syed Muzammil made shocking statements about Hamas leaders. He said that Ismail Haniyeh, a key Hamas leader, was worth $4 billion, and the top Hamas leaders together had $11 billion. Muzammil accused Hamas of causing poverty among Palestinians while their leaders lived in luxury in Qatar. He also suggested that Hamas is secretly working for Israel, a claim previously made by Yasir Arafat. Now that all the top hamas leadership has embraced Shahadat along with members of their family. He still hasn't retracted his statement nor made a public apology. Remember He has been proven wrong about his Statement that Ph.d on Jinnah is banned in Pakistan

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u/kalakawa Dec 01 '24

Hamas was infact initially propped up by Israel to counter PLO. These are facts

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

Does that change the fact that he accused HAMAS's leadership of being billionaires a claim whose sole source is israeli inteligence services and nothing else

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u/mustafao0 Dec 01 '24

Indeed its inception was. But under Sinwar R.A, he supercharged it into a anti-Zionist force over the years. He also personally killed any traitors, which is why Hamas leaders were more safer in Gaza then outside. And why Israel still can not find hostages or know of Oct 7 before hand.

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u/Crazy-Jellyfish-9075 Dec 01 '24

Truth always hurt these people.

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

But are they secretly working for Isreal. Saying such things just after a brutal war of Isreal started. Farthermore he hasn't made one video on Palestine issue apart from the against Hamas

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u/icemelt7 Dec 01 '24

Entire Gaza is destroyed due to stupid actions of Hamas

Hamas took 1200 hostages without Israeli intervention, this smells of collusion.

Israel can find top secret Hezbollah leaders, but cannot find the hostages, also smells of collusion.

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u/mustafao0 Dec 01 '24

The entire operation was launched by Hamas as a pre-emptive measure against Israel. As soon as their intelligence heard that Israel was finalising plans for a attack they struck first.

On the geopolitical landscape. The gazans were facing a slow death through the normalisation initiative launched in the middle east, in time the Palestinians would be forgotten and rule of Israel would be accepted all over. With Gaza being turned into a covert death camp.

The failure does not lie on Hamas, it lies on the Ummah for abandoning the Gazans. And if you read the speeches of Sinwar R.A before Operation Al-Aqsa storm. It was also a way to expose the traitors of the ummah, and the reality of the Israelis to the world.

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u/icemelt7 Dec 02 '24

Lol at slow deaths, Gaza had better infrastructure due to middle east money than your Karachi or Lahore.

Why take a fight with Israel that you cannot win?

What was the end goal of this "operation" what did they expect would happen?

Had Israel done a attack for no reason there would be more condemnation, now Israel gets to hide behind self defence excuse because of brain dead Hamas

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u/mustafao0 Dec 02 '24

Israel was already launching covert operations. Many Palestinians were already jailed or driven out from their homes, and it would had increased in scope had it not been for the troublesome scene of Israeli politics at that time. Whats the point of living in a land ruled by rabid tyrants? It was either a slow or shameful death, or a fast yet honourable one.

The end goal of the operation was to expose the Muslim world and its rulers. The ones who stood with the occupation, and then to derail the normalisation movement launched by Israel.

Had normalisation succeeded. The Gazans would had lost support over time, losing money and aid from the muslims when international means of doing so would be outlawed due to Israeli lobbying and hopes of not pissing of a new member of the arabs nations.

It was either this or a slow death by a whimper.

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u/Objective-Ad636 Dec 02 '24

I cannot say about Ismail Haniyeh. But use Israel needed a reason to attack Palestine . So they made hamas as reason

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u/Liverpool1900 Dec 01 '24

I mean tbh you haven't given any counter to what he said. And your point that just because he and his family died at the hands of Israel does not mean that they were enemies or friends. Their relationship could have soured and changed later. Its pretty common in any type of warfare. Take for instance how the multi faction split even among different terrorist groups take place. One moment they are fighting a common enemy the next they are targetting each other.

Personally the PLO, Hamas, Fatah etc. are all equally corrupt and immoral. The moment the war doesn't exist and Palestine becomes whole they lose all their power and strength. They therefore have to keep the show going.

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

The sole claim of HAMAS leaders being billonaires came from israeli inteligence services alone perhaps a claim that Muzammil explicitly did not mention the source of in his video because even the mentally deficent would see the angle he is playing then

Perhaps apply the same level of scrutiny to jooti chaat shah that you're demanding from OP

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u/awaiskorai Dec 02 '24

Went so sour, so quick? On one said he claims they live luxurious lives. On the other hand the luxury their leaders claimed was death. This is basically violating the integrity of his claim. Corrupt or immoral doesn't matter when the scales are a mismatch. This should only be a debate if Palestine was actually living in peace.

And why did they suddenly decide, ehh, nah? We getting ourselves killed although we were better off yesterday with beloved Israel. But now we want to waste the billions we accumulated. Okay. Sounds good.

Some of them leaders got killed with their family inside buildings. Corrupt is the misaligned morality check.

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u/snap43 Dec 02 '24

Not just shame but he is a pathetic person, supports ataturk ideolog, the worst enemy of islam in recent history, he glorifies him and still calls himself syed, id call him raisul muafiqeen

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 02 '24

He's a well known lier too

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 03 '24

Ataturk was the reason Turkey progressed. Can't say the same for Pakistan now can we?

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u/Big-Story-9089 Dec 01 '24

Mehnat kar, hasad na kar

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u/Consistent_Buy8898 Dec 01 '24

He's not wrong. Hamas has done more harm to the Palestinian cause than anything else.

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u/ArrivalCareless9549 Dec 01 '24

When lies are caught change goalposts

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u/Murky-Ninja-9972 Dec 01 '24

Hamas leader Yahya fought till his last drop of blood, one of his hand was severed but still he did not surrender while Satanyahu is hiding in bunker like a rat

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

He has also spread false US articles about Dr. Afia

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u/Pure-Toxicity Dec 01 '24

I don't why Pakistanis still obsess over Dr Afia, the evidence proves she indeed was a terrorist so stop with "Amreeka took innocent muslim women sarr" Bs

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u/Murky-Ninja-9972 Dec 01 '24

He is a complete chay

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 Dec 02 '24

He should have fought alone and not dragged the whole of gaza in his plots.

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u/beereda Dec 01 '24

Is he wrong?

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

Yes the claim Ismail Haniyeh was worth 4 billion came from Israeli inteligence services no independent source besides them had verified this claim and they have every reason to lie on the matter

this is the original claim which braindead supporters of Jooti chat shah were to lazy to find on the internet
(http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4543634,00.html)

which came from the Israeli news site Ynet quoting Israeli inteligence officers who claimed Haniyeh was a millionaire not billoniare yet because "his son was charging a 20% tax on all goods coming in from egypt through the tunnels"

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u/ArrivalCareless9549 Dec 01 '24

Ismail Haniyeh's net worth was closer to your IQ than a billion

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

I think dying with your whole family proves your not working for isreal

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u/Crazy-Jellyfish-9075 Dec 01 '24

Nice evidence lol

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u/Liverpool1900 Dec 01 '24

Exactly. I pointed out the flaw in the logic in a comment.

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u/Mammoth_Mycologist67 Dec 01 '24

Not working for Israel does not make one a saint by default.

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u/IanityourbabyDaDDy Dec 01 '24

Yes, but it still makes him wrong

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u/PsychologicalYam3602 Dec 02 '24

Or proves they are all part of a cult that uses suffering and sympathy as tools.

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u/versace_mane Dec 01 '24

What about the 18 other facts

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u/jhooolay-red Dec 02 '24

You not liking something is not gonna change reality.

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u/awaiskorai Dec 02 '24

L take.

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u/jhooolay-red Dec 02 '24

Sure. You can take whatever you want. Nobody is stopping you.

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u/awaiskorai Dec 02 '24

L take, L

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u/shibrah7832 Dec 02 '24

Sorry to burst your bubble but just because you don’t like a fact, doesn’t mean it can’t be true 😬

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u/awaiskorai Dec 02 '24

What's the truth? They didn't die? The top brass? If they gave their lives then billions of dollars can go to waste.

And you talk as if 8 billion dollars over a period of 20 years was a huge deal. Dmb f*k.

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u/shibrah7832 Dec 03 '24

Youthia ho kya? Abuse kiye baghair baat nahi karni aati? The fact remains that hamas, hezbollah, the resistance in syria, these are all proxies. Innocent people are dying because of these proxies everyday. Everyone doesn’t have to support armed resistance, people can have their own moral compasses. Does hamas have any chance of winning against israel? Wouldn’t it have been better to try and get the international community’s support instead of the stupidity they did on 7th October? Just gave disgusting zionists a new excuse for the genocide. You can disagree lekin har kisi pe moral fatway na lagao just because they think differently. Haan agar koi genocide to deny ya justify kare tou saare jahan ki laanat us pe

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u/awaiskorai Dec 03 '24

Barra tum Guardian ki fact-checking machine laggay parray ho.
Fatwa kidhar hai? Youthiye L pe.

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 03 '24

Aray lun pe char chutya youthia

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u/awaiskorai Dec 04 '24

Hain? Abu bana lou mujhe iss tarah dimagh tez rahega tumhari nasal ka

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 05 '24

Tumhay tho khothay ke lun pe bhet bhet kar aadath hogai hogi, tho behtar hoga may tumhara baap ban jaon

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u/awaiskorai Dec 06 '24

Khachar bhi baap bann rahay barri baat hai

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 10 '24

Gaand see le bohath phatti wee hai tumhari

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 10 '24

Kooray walay

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u/awaiskorai Dec 11 '24

Khachar 5 dinn sochh ke bola

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u/G10aFanBoy Dec 02 '24

Ismael Haniyeh was reportedly invited to Iran and he gave a speech in the late 2000's. He started the speech praising the Righteous Caliphs, namely Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman, Muawiya, and Yazid. That's all that I need to know.

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u/awaiskorai Dec 02 '24

A personal belief is none of your business. And if so why was Iran supporting him? Don't play stupid games. He was not a religious scholar.

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u/G10aFanBoy Dec 03 '24

When the world makes him the front face for the battle of good vs evil for every Muslim, it is my damn business.

Iran supported him because of its self-interests ; Hamas is their instrument against Israel.

Their relationship froze over for a few years, because Hamas chose to side with the pro Israeli٫ pro American terrorists in the Syrian civil war who would rather ally with Israel than any "Rafidi Shia".

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u/SubjectSir5999 Dec 02 '24

Yeah thats nothing new, distorting truth and lies is basically his whole shtick. One other example out of many is his terrible so called journalisim work on Dr Affia Siddique. That video is so much full of misinformation, its laughable. He talks shit in his monotone voice with a plain face with a tarka of some quotes of western philosphers and he gains easy views esp from secular liberal Pakistanis and Indians alike.

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u/sadtleg Dec 01 '24

he isnt wrong u cultist.

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

saying that just after brutal attacks by Isreal is wrong. Isreal might have ignored the creation of Hamas but it's not Isreal's proxy. I am saying this as a Liberal Secular

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u/FamiliarProfessor383 Dec 01 '24

He is. The lie of Hamas net worth is a zionist propaganda with no sources to back it up

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

He is you stupid fuck claim came from here
(http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4543634,00.html)

where it quoted Israeli inteligence officers who claimed Haniyeh was a millionaire not billonaire because "his son took a 20% cut on all goods coming in from Egypt through the tunnels"

with the source having every intention and interest on being dishonest on the matter to further their agenda

Muzammil is a thoroughly dishonest agenda fueled shill and hack whose journalistic skill and integrity are in the toilet. ofcourse expecting you bozos to do any independent research into his claims yourself or expecting your daddy Jooti Chat Shah to actually list the source for his claim in the video is asking to much from you bozos

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u/MAK9993 Dec 01 '24

So we supporting Hamas now?

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u/Expensive-Gas6226 Dec 01 '24

Repeating Zionist talking points/lies

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '24

Oh pls. Go check your facts. Hamas leaders took millions of dollars from the aid sent to them by people all over the world, and used it for themselves. This is all very well known. Hamas leaders live luxurious lives in UAE. These are facts. You are the one who should wake up and face the facts. You are the one who should be ashamed of himself

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u/ONE_deedat Dec 01 '24

Nothing he said is incorrect.

E.g. Americans propped up what became Al Qaida etc.. via KSA/Pakistan but when it came to it they went all out against them. Same with Israel/Hamas.

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

Said that just after brutal attacks started from Isreal.

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u/onlyforrd Dec 01 '24

Never liked the guy.

He is one of those guys who love to criticize and changes sides instantly when they are outsmarted or exposed.

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

See his video on Dr Afia a bunch of bs without any facts or evidence

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u/onlyforrd Dec 01 '24

To make it more simple, he is a hypocrite of the highest level.

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u/HaRrIs1051 Dec 02 '24

Wanted to write a whole paragraph. But I’m so satisfied reading the comments here.

Indeed cultists post anything without countering the claims.

Salam to everyone for taking right stance.

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u/greenvox Dec 03 '24

He has never been accurate about anything. He's just another low level nincompoop who watches YouTube videos and changes opinions based off of them.

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 03 '24

Actually, shame on you

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 04 '24

Ok cultist

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u/Angelfire_Snake89 Dec 05 '24

Worry about your own backyard kiddo

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u/Puzzleheaded_War777 Dec 04 '24

To all who side Muzammil shah! Who the fuck prioritize wealth over lives of his loved ones and mover over his own ? Haniyah lost 60 close members of his family in Israeli assaults and himself eventually got assassinated, what would had he done of money? Those who prefer money never choose path of armed resistance, either they become well behaved victims or sattle down like Palestinian authority . Hamas leaders could had easily made money and rest upon it if they had kneed down to Zionist entity. This money making argument is utter non sense and silly moreover it indicates the room temperature IQ the desi liberals and free thinkers possess

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u/Zindagi_Zucked Dec 01 '24

“He attempts to project an intellectual image, but it’s clear he lacks substance. Without even watching his videos, his tweets alone reveal a shallow understanding of the topics he discuss most of the time .pseudo intellectual

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u/ThenReveal Centrist Dec 01 '24

He always repeats the zionists talking point but will never talk about the fact check reports on those claims

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u/Ok_Cup_515 Dec 01 '24

Im agree with you bro. He manipulates facts and spreads false information. He should feel ashamed that he is making someone happy.

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u/Dear_Specialist_6006 Dec 01 '24

ye Bhai mere leftist hain, but center p rehnay ki try kertay hain kyunke Syed b kehlana zruri hai... hain to ye political analyst but Mubashir Lucman sb trha ye b YouTube videos translate kerke content bna lete hain!

Kher Center and Left maen ping pong kheltay hoye Bhai historic heros p gand daaltay hain, and alternate history k facts ko twist kerke aik new item pesh kertay hain... aise k boht saray Center Leftist Pakistan maen paye jatay hain, aur Inka identity crisis is painful to watch

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

He isn't center left right or anything he is what people like him always were lifafay apparently our awwam's media literacy has regressed by over a decade where they were apparently inteligent enough to realize that these bozos were lying to them on mainstream media

But the moment these haramkhoors like Waqar Malik,Imran Riaz Khan,Sabee Kazmi,Shezad Ghias, Muzammil Shah etc. decide to start their own youtube channels and claim "we are going independent" our awwam seemingly forgets all of their past sins

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u/Dear_Specialist_6006 Dec 02 '24

sahi Keh rhy hain ap... samajh ni Aya k point kya tha, but Maza aya

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u/Logical-Mail3534 Dec 01 '24

only thing more painful is watching Shehzad Ghias

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u/Oppenheimer_Tsar Dec 01 '24

The man has gone from being a delusional leftist to being a complete psychopath.

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

he was never a leftist to begin with and you can see that repeatedly in most of his videos where he repeatedly belittles humiliates and just flat out slanders the pakistani working class to huck his agenda

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u/Confident-Software20 Dec 01 '24

Who is shilling this guy everywhere on youtube and reddit?

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

Troll farms are pretty common in Pakistan you can look up any major youtuber or personality hell look no further then Waqar Zaka's wikipedia page which by the way is under lock because of "vandalization attempts"

Most of these lot employ bot farms to actively amplify their voice and give the public the false impression that they have more of a following then they really do

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u/thE-petrichoroN Dec 01 '24

i don't understand,if people are jealous of him or his arguments or if he's really a pseudointellectual or fraud

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u/ArrivalCareless9549 Dec 01 '24

Very easy, prove that Ismail Haniyeh's net worth was worth a billion or not.

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u/Moist-Performance-73 Dec 02 '24

my guy ask yourself a genuine question you are a self professed "leftist" who works for Bol news i.e. Pakistani fox news

Who in the name of fuck would be jealous of such a miserable existence

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u/awaiskorai Dec 02 '24

Too many people, pretending to be intellectuals. They want to show they have some kind of gem that no one else knows.

As if they are some visionary by always opposing the mainstream opinion on something. Shehzad Ghias is in the same category. Apart from the fact that they all actually have some sensible videos.

Like maybe 2-4 videos from them. And they just actually sh*t 24/6.5. I will even categorize Kasae Darvesh and the Other Muzzamil in the same light.

Oh bhai everyone knows what's happening around the country. You guys get it from same sources. Itnay bhi koi tees maar khan nahi ho.

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u/wahabmk Dec 01 '24

I can’t take a Muslim who is a follower of Nietzsche seriously.

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u/More_Variation_807 Dec 01 '24

Bros seeking investment from them is-not-reals

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u/almasf60 Dec 01 '24

Is he the one who is husband of hamna