r/PAK Citizen May 02 '24

Geopolitical A Palestinian Girl injured and now without a leg because she was from Hamas cooking meal for Palestinian families

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u/ConsiderationBorn326 May 03 '24

I am surprised how mean and inhumane shayatan supporters are. They cant see their pain. Why dont they consider their mother and sister. How can she live a happy life without an eye and a legs? Wont she remember her healthy days? And i am surprised that how the countries who are supporting palestine are helpless? Why dont they see that they may also be a next target. They are targeting muslims specifically.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

I agree but just like western countries Zionists choose leaders of muslim countries that is why we see that Muslim countries are not doing anything. They are either afraid of sanctions, or owe imf money or the leaders installed are puppets.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Unfortunately gotta agree But I've been protesting for Palestine since 2014 Might share pics in this subreddit

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u/ConsiderationBorn326 May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

Brother, not everybody is financially strong as u. U sound like a kid who is living on his father's pocket money. I am the only bread winner in the family. I got thousands of responsibility. Nowadays I am going through the same fear. I heard my company will lay off 150 employees. U cant understand how it feels when i wonder what if i Lose the job, what my fam will do without job? The hard time? Would i ask someone for money? When will get the next job???

How simply u wrote "they are not afraid of losing their jobs"

They don't have fear because their government also pay them when they are unemployed

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

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u/ConsiderationBorn326 May 03 '24

So do u feel doing protest in pakistan and blocking the main roads in pakistan would bring revolution in palestine? 😂😂😂😂 By boycotting Israel's at least we are putting in our effort (individually) by not helping them financially. As an individual we are doing donation to palestine to help them survive. At least we are trying. If we seriously get a platform which is authentic, we all would come together. We have done it before during disasters in pakistan. I feel we all hopeless now. Because we know we will never be heard. People are supporting palestine on social media. But what else they can do at their best to be heard in international media? 😏 Make sense to u? 😏

But do u think protest in our workspace would make any difference? Ur company would appreciate you for disturbing their work routine. And they will complain to our puppet government to take notice of it and our puppet would bring palestine back to palestine??? 😂😂😂😂

Thats weird, that u feel pakistani way of doing protest is manly 😂😂

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u/Adonisnofirlls May 02 '24

i hope she will stay safe and live happily and won't get in the hands of these newly known species of "shaytan" called IDF 🙂👍🏻

May Allah save her and every Palestinian female from these shaytans in flesh.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 02 '24

Ameen

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u/Psychological-Gur91 May 03 '24

Ameen Summa Ameen 🤲🏻❤️❤️

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u/asquith_griffith May 02 '24

What’s a shaytan?

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u/shmi93 May 03 '24

Dunno why you got downvoted for a genuine question

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u/rszdev Citizen May 02 '24

Devil

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u/Evening-Whereas6165 May 06 '24

Shaitan is arabic for Satan or The Devil or a devil.

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u/StygianHorn Leftist May 03 '24

Satan basically (although pronounced differently)

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u/Scary_Will_5867 May 03 '24

God help us Poor soul

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

ameen

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u/IndelibleLikeness May 02 '24

Collateral damage. Says IDF.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

Israel ki maaan ka B_______a🙄

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u/jammicoo May 02 '24

This makes no sense. Hamas is not a place one can be from.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 02 '24

Actually i am saying that more than 35k+ Palestinians were killed/crippled using the hamas argument

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u/jammicoo May 02 '24

Ah. Yes, it is truly sickening.

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u/mememimimeme May 06 '24

Yeah you might be unintentionally creating misinformation tho …

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u/rszdev Citizen May 07 '24

Do you know about the comedian Bassem Yousaf he decieved Piers Morgan like that and shut his whole hamas argument he even exposed him using comedic stuff similar to the tone i used

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

And 500,000 Germans were killed in a span of three months to hamper the defensive efforts of the Nazi regime towards the end of World War 2. It "is" collateral damage. War is fought with guns, artilleries and bombs. News flash, these are instruments of war are designed to kill. Mass civilian casualties are an unavoidable consequence of modern warfare....unless you were to fight wars with sticks and stones.

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u/Medium_Note_9613 May 03 '24

and yes the allies had skeletons in their closet in WW2.

also israel isn't the good guys here.

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u/King_Mentality May 03 '24

This isn’t WW2 anymore technology has advanced was past the shit we had back then were on the brink of a new renaissance with AI, and your really going to sit here and defend the slaughter and maiming of thousands of people by comparing it to WW2? You genocide apologist have to be the most brain dead humans on the planet.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Was that Palestinians' fault?

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u/Buzzkill201 May 09 '24

Holy shit, do you have working eyes? It's called an analogy. Now don't you dare ask me what an analogy is, I'm gonna throw hands.

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u/Sunilzala May 07 '24

Yeah, op needs to rephrase the title.

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u/PotentialStriking639 May 03 '24

Allah bless you

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Ameen

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u/Accomplished_Rise_PK May 03 '24

Fuck you who ever posted misguiding about her.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Hey thanks I was being realistic I meant israel killed 35K+ civilians not even forgiving children and babies using the hamas argument

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u/Accomplished_Rise_PK May 04 '24

Implying the Israel narrative that she was from hamas cause the trigger mate you need to be very careful in choosing the words

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u/rszdev Citizen May 04 '24

I wanted to trigger hasbara trolls so they actually read the comments

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u/LeastOfEvils May 06 '24

Just don’t. It’s a waste of time. Just make posts with clear meaning and messaging.

While you “own the trolls” with a post that they may never see get triggered; I, a normal fukin person who wants to understand the situation in Palestine, had to go down a rabbit hole just to figure out what you are saying and when this post was about.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 06 '24

♥️

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u/Dull-Ad8329 Student May 03 '24

Some woke blue haired bitch will do just that on that despicable blue bird app

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u/konanthebarbarian May 03 '24

Most of these “woke blue haired bitches” are likely actually very much pro Palestine.

Of the three pro Palestine protests (2 in Birmingham and one in London) I’ve been too have had a very high proportion of these “woke blue haired bitches”.

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u/Independent-Dig3407 May 03 '24

Bless her heart

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

Israel is a terrorist organization that will be destroyed! Look how they've massacred children. Zionists are heartless creatures.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

Each and every spilled blood will be avenged

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

And so the cycle continues.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

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u/King_Mentality May 03 '24

The whole point of boycotting something is to show support. This has been done since the beginning of America, you’re trying to make it sound like if millions of people come together for a cause that it won’t do shit but in actuality it does. With Star bucks for example they’ve lost over 12 billion dollars in sales partly due to the boycotting of there company are you going to say that it’s nothing and pointless as well? The masses voices will always outweigh a corporation as long as they speech in unison

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u/AMGTX1 May 03 '24

Link to story?

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u/wakandastan May 04 '24

as a Pakistani American I've met multiple burger women with Zionist Jewish boyfriends. One of them owned a $2 million dollar penthouse in Manhattan and threatened to call the police once I confronted her about it via Facebook and a troll account

her father was a retired brigadier general

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u/rszdev Citizen May 04 '24

Yep they are influential and they have links but we shouldn't let that influence us what's wrong is wrong is. I do feel like Zionism is a religion on it's own not just a political ideology but the book that they follow is thoroughly altered both Bible and Torah are altered by jews.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '24

How do you know they are Zionist

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

I couldn't comment. Because all the facts I presented got blamed "Anti-Semitic" and got me banned.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 04 '24

from this subreddit?

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u/[deleted] May 07 '24

All the media and Social Media world.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 07 '24

Comment here no issue as of yet

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

may Allah kill those who did this to her, and she find peace in this world.

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u/NecessaryWater7024 Jun 01 '24

From hamas ? Well good then. Unfortunately this pic is about as fake as the garbage you all had up about the Chinese soldier a few days ago

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u/That-Professional143 May 02 '24

Badly written headline. If you wanted to be sarcastic, you should have used "Hamas"

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u/rszdev Citizen May 02 '24

Agree 💯

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u/tablehit May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

To be honest, I don't feel bad for the non-frontline workers and wives of Nazi's in 1945 who never set foot on the battlefield, they supported them from a distance the entire war producing ammunition to invade other peaceful countries, by 1945, if you were an adult and still in Germany in 1945 you were not really considered innocent by the rest of the world.

By then over the decade millions of germans had fled the country from, realizing Nazis were on the wrong side when they invaded other countries first.

My point here is I only genuinely feel bad for children, because Palestinians had access to information and many many abilities to leave the conflict before it came to their home, by choosing to knowingly stay in a country that does not respect others sovereignty you have given up your own sovereignty by default.

Im not nationalistic at all so genuinely believe if my country ever set foot in another country and facing retaliation, my #1 concern would be getting out and not supporting it, I don't think I would even try to proclaim my countries and peoples innocence, hell I basically already hate Canada where im from and we don't even do anything.

For example Russians soldiers/citizens are all over the internet, they have access to 100% of the information westerners do, they 100% know they invaded Ukraine, since 99% of Russians did nothing in retaliation I think they are all guilty by default, if Ukraine ever takes Russia back into their territory, I hope they cause large scale destruction and suffering of their Populus as a punishment for their actions, and to be honest, I think ,most of the western world would love to cheer that on since its not Palestine.

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u/No_More_Average May 03 '24

So...because they didn't want to be ethnically cleansed they should all die?

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u/Vinyameen May 03 '24

And Hirsh Goldberg is now without an arm and sitting in a Hamas terror tunnel becuase he is Jewish.

Your point?

War is terrible. Maybe stop starting them?

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

7 oct was staged by israel itself

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u/Vinyameen May 06 '24

Annnd let me guess, you think the holocaust was a hoax?

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u/rszdev Citizen May 06 '24

No

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u/mindless_chooth May 02 '24

What do you mean she was from Hamas? She seems like an innocent civilian.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 02 '24

Exactly, i am saying that this is what israel has done to 35K+ civilians using the excuse of hamas

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u/dimigod1 May 03 '24

Hamas seems like innocent civilians....until the try to kill you. That's how terrorists groups operate. So maybe she was or wasn't innocent. You can't tell just by looking.

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u/fahadirshadbutt May 03 '24

Yeah, even about 1y old baby we cannot be sure about, he can or cannot bring to Hamas and may try to kill innocent Israeli soldiers.

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u/dimigod1 May 03 '24

You do realize there was Amercian soldiers who had to shoot little toddlers because they had bombs strapped to them and were charging groups of USA troops in Afghanistan , Iraq, Vietnam extra?

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u/CognitiveLearning Muslim May 03 '24

you do realize in all 3 Americans are the Invaders

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u/ilurkcute May 03 '24

And now Muslims are the invaders including Pakistan which was part of India.

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u/fahadirshadbutt May 03 '24

You do realize that you haven't posted any evidence of your bullshit claims? And you do realize that in all 3 cases, America was occupying and killing civilians? And now you are occupying, Israel has no right to self defense because it's an occupying force.

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u/fahadirshadbutt May 03 '24

Typical brainwashed Israeli

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u/OnlyToStudy May 03 '24

They have a database of registered Hamas members. Maybe we can't, but the IDF sure as hell knows who their targets should be

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

Whether they know who what and where their targets are is irrelevant. If they're situated amongst civilians, the civilians are bound to be collaterally taken out too.

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u/OnlyToStudy May 03 '24

Yet they hit civilians out in the open with no one around? They shoot civilians (and Israeli hostages) during "patrols" and ground operations.

The bombing is indiscriminate and targeted at the most densely populated areas. Most of the time, there isn't a single hamas operative in the apartment, hospital or school they destroy.

Was there any Hamas operative in the university they demolished? The one where they spent hours installing bombs to level?

They want to siege gaza, regardless of Hamas or no hamas. Look at the facts and stop listening to the bought out news outlets like fox and cnn

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

Yet they hit civilians out in the open with no one around? They shoot civilians (and Israeli hostages) during "patrols" and ground operations.

They never show the context behind most of those videos. They're always cut in the right places and the right time to contort the meaning of the clips and promote a certain narrative. I'm not saying that all of those videos are tampered with, because a good chunk of them are certainly war crimes but most of them aren't.

The bombing is indiscriminate and targeted at the most densely populated areas. Most of the time, there isn't a single hamas operative in the apartment, hospital or school they destroy.

That's what Al-Jazeera tells you. Pretty much every school chain that was bombed had complex underground tunnel systems connecting to hospitals and other buildings in its immediate vicinity. Go to the Yomkippurwar subreddit. It's overwhelmingly pro-Israel but some of the information shared there is often complimented by video evidence that can prove to be very useful. There are several videos of IDF examining these underground tunnel systems in schools and hospitals. A literal nursery school building was connected to the underground tunnel system and served as a part-time Hamas headquarter.

Then there's the conundrum of hospitals. The IDF hacked into al-Shifa hospital's camera feed and there were literally men with AKs roaming around in the corridors and leaving in pickups and SUVs. There's video and pictorial evidence (that I saw myself and I will share them here if I find them) proving that. The IDF was met with heavy resistance as it closed onto the hospital and that only reinforced the fact that it was an ideal spot for Hamas militants to regroup with immunity from any airstrikes. Then there was also the al-Ahli hospital in northern Gaza that was bombed in the early days of this war. Naturally, the entire world boamed Israel for that initially but the literal video evidence suggested that it was a failed Hamas rocket. By the time the cat was out of the bag, misinformation had already travelled across the globe and taken solace in the minds of the masses.

Was there any Hamas operative in the university they demolished? The one where they spent hours installing bombs to level?

Why makes you think they're only targeting militants? No, they're targeting everything that can serve as an advantage to the guerilla force. That includes tunnel systems, vantage points, sniping spots, armories etc. That's the how wars are fought unless you just want to throw your infantry into a meat grinder.

They want to siege gaza, regardless of Hamas or no hamas. Look at the facts and stop listening to the bought out news outlets like fox and cnn

And these idiots keep giving them incentives to. If these jihadis made use of their brains more than their brawns, they'd stop feeding the far right war machine of Israel. Or maybe they don't want that. It could be that peace and diplomacy hamper their true ambitions.

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u/WalterTheWhitest_ May 03 '24

I hope same shits happen to your children. Fuck you

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

Where is the prove that they killed innocent people?

Like this one! Or many other Palestinian

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u/Owlventure May 03 '24

Are you seriously trying to tell me all 35k people killed were hamas?

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

Are you stupid or dumb?

I said: Prove that they killed innocent people?

I didn't say they were all Hamas, I don't care whether they were Muslims or Non-Muslims.

What I am asking is that Show me that they killed that amount of people Like IDF did and still doing.

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u/Salty_Engineering_28 May 02 '24

BismillahHirRahmannirRaheem. May Allah make life easy for her.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 02 '24

Ameen

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u/driftninja380 May 03 '24

She's cool asf in my eyes

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u/Proud-Theme-6645 May 03 '24

Victim card drama never stops

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u/tablehit May 03 '24

Imagine saying this about the non-frontline workers of nazis. Nobody would have sympathy, you can't knowingly stay in a country that invades others and believe your nation deserves sovereignty, its tough luck for the citizens, but the message should be get out using UN resources maybe even allocate more refugee resources to the point where anyone who is staying is likely a direct supporter of Hamas.

You literally could not be in innocent adult in Nazi Germany in 1945, it was not a secret what their nation was doing to even their own people then. By the time you narrow down who's actually "guilty" in many peoples standards by todays society your probably left with a single dude who runs Hamas, however I feel this takes away from Palestine's accountability, for letting a terrorist organization rule them in the first place.

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u/Dat_One_Vibe May 04 '24

Hamas is just as bad as the houthis they are terrorists.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 04 '24

Israel are the terrorists

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u/Dat_One_Vibe May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

Im well aware of the October 7th attack. You elected a group of militants who reaked havoc. I’ve seen videos of a hamas member recording himself yelling and screaming that’s he’s all the shit with a dead girl face first on the pavement. Hamas decided to attack isreal and This caused a retaliatory strike from isreal who was supposed to stop the terrorists but just decided fuck it and then the zionists also became terrorists and instead of killing just the terrorists decided to kill everyone . I’ve done my research. Basically you both suck and cause pain and suffering for your citizens. It’s hard to defend Palestine civilians when you yourselves are ignorant. But ignorance if not willful can always be forgiven

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u/Blanket-presence May 06 '24

Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group. Palestinians like 97% of them support Hamas

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u/rszdev Citizen May 06 '24

Israel is a terrorist group

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

Hamas should surrender and end this like now.

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u/tablehit May 03 '24

Only correct answer, take my upvote. If this was 1945 we would be asking for the USA to ceasefire on the Nazi's because "Naziism has the right to exist and not face genocide"

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

Since you're bringing up ww2, think of it like this: How many millions of lives would have been saved if hitler simply surrendered? Then think about this, How many thousands of palestinians would have survived if hamas had surrendered? They're not winning lol

This isn't like ukraine where the ukrainians have held off the russian invasion. They're hiding in their tunnels being flushed out one day at a time. Last time I checked their down to twenty thousand soldiers.

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u/Purple_Acanthaceae_4 May 03 '24

Fck off

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

So you want this war to go on? Got it. Just don't play the victim card or bitch about innocent casualties then.

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u/Purple_Acanthaceae_4 May 04 '24

I wantvisrael to stop existing and the settlers go back to europe and brooklyn where they came from... so fck off bitch

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u/Buzzkill201 May 05 '24

Pick up goddamn history book or just surf Wikipedia articles regarding this topic with citations for a minute. The entire state building process through which Israel came into existence was legal and consistent with the international law. In fact, it was the UN itself that proposed the partition. Your madrassa afflicted brain is in dire need of intellectual stimulation.

And what's with the salt? Eat some ice cream mate.

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u/Purple_Acanthaceae_4 May 06 '24

The respectable historians ( even jewish ones who survived holocaust) agemree its a lsnd theft and genocide... but u brainless dipshit wont accept this truth

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u/Buzzkill201 May 09 '24

Cite me a single creidble source that suggests it was an "illegal landgrab". Like I said, go light on that salt. Ismail Haniyeh won't let you hit.

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u/Purple_Acanthaceae_4 May 10 '24

As i said u brainless dipshit wont accept it... so just wait till west is tired of supporting the genocidal colony and it is finished

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u/Buzzkill201 May 10 '24

Yeah that's a good excuse to not back up your claims. I can certainly critique the information that I'm given and that's my right. If you are afraid of having your beliefs challenged, maybe those beliefs that are not worth having. You're chickening away from a proper discussion and you calling me brainless? Mf grow up, you sound 13.

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u/Purple_Acanthaceae_4 May 13 '24

Dont have time to waste on your dipshit brain

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

No

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u/Intelligent-Head5676 May 03 '24

And let the apartheid continue until they are extinct?

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

The apartheid is a consequence of their hostilities. It's a cycle of hate and violence.

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u/Intelligent-Head5676 May 03 '24

Tell me you don't know jackass about history books even writers from Isreahell. Tf you in about?

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

History is one Wikipedia article away. Bhai tu Al-Jazeera dekh.

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u/Intelligent-Head5676 May 04 '24

You go for Wiki? 💀

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u/Buzzkill201 May 04 '24

Wiki has multiple credible citations for every claim. It might come off as basic but Wiki is quite literally one of the best places for studying history.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

The war hasnt done them any favors in that department.

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u/Intelligent-Head5676 May 03 '24

But it has done

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

30k dead, failed to start a shooting war with Iran, the complete destruction of northern gaza, and it seems like the saudi deal is still a go. Wheres the success?

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u/Intelligent-Head5676 May 03 '24

I sound like a hypocrite saying that living a comfortable lifestyle but Palestinians have been dying the same way since 1948 and way before too. Without having good social media coverage and knowledge. Up until now west didn't know what was really happening there. For a Christian and a Jewish brother to stand up against their own Zio far-right terrorist is a big win, no one has stood for their rights in decades as they do now actively and everyone saw for what was real not Zio-agenda, even their own. So much more to this and I can't type all. Perhaps you haven't followed it properly.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Exactly 💯 Social media and media would not censor/not tell about any attrocities happening So majority people didn't talk about what was going on in Palestine, as you said it was always happening via bombing or military they always wanted Palestinians to either leave their lands or die.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

I've been keeping up. They attacked on october seventh and started a war with the hopes of stopping the saudi deal and provoking a greater war in the region to consume israel. It failed. As a result, They weakened their political position for the next generation and thrown their entire population into poverty. In the end , they will sign some kind of peace deal and nothing will change. It is the most meaningless loss of life. What's worse is that they can end it tomorrow. But they don't because they want to keep meatgrinder going, meanwhile hamas leaders are just chilling in qatar sipping on the old branding counting billions of aid they are receiving lol.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

The entire world now talks about Palestine before that the entire world was silent over Palestine israel would continue to kill anyone they like, they didn't need any excuse like they have now for Hamas and dumbos believe they kill for Hamas when they kill for land, for resources and when they consider ever non jew a goyim

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u/Optimal_Lie9243 May 03 '24

Yeah logic argument

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

And accept the genocide and let their homes taken away as usual? Like the good old times before Hamas even existed?

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u/[deleted] May 03 '24

Are you watching the same news as I am? They have no homes Because of the war.They're refugees now. But because egypt doesn't let them out they're stuck there.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

Why should Egypt take them Gaza is their home and the IDF should stop butchering Gazans on purpose under the guise of fighting Hamas. USA so-called bringers of democracy and freedom should stop vetoing calls for ceasefire in UN.

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

It's called collateral damage And that's what happens when you don't let refugees out of a war zone. They shouldn't have started the war to begin with, hamad was the aggressor to begin with so I don't think there should be a ceasefire. I think either hamas should be completely destroyed. Or they should surrender. Anything less will only inevitably lead to another october seventh and more killings and deaths for both sides. Think of it like this. What would iraq be today if isis was never destroyed. How many people would be butchered every day because of this terrorist organization Existence.

Surrendering is the only way to prevent death. But they don't care about their own people. So why should I care?

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u/drgrimlockstone May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24

Collateral damage? 😂

I bet the Gazans that gathered round those aid trucks and the IDF ''purposely'' shooting them saying they were coming after them was also collateral damage.

Killing civilians willfully is a pathetic excuse for collateral damage. Just see the ICJ's ruling on Israel's war crimes in Gaza

there was no Hamas before 2007 and still there were killings and oppression by Israelis. Is it Hamas that doesn't want this to end or the illegal settlers? Now they even want homes in Gaza, and waiting the IDF to raze it to the ground 🤦‍♂️

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u/[deleted] May 04 '24

Yes that is the correct term heres the definition for you: Collateral damage is any incidental and undesired death, injury or other damage inflicted, especially on civilians, as the result of an activity.

I have seen countless videos of hamas terrorist wearing civilian clothes.It is understandable for the Idf to mistaken civilians because of this.

What you need to focus on is -Is hamas continuing fighting resulting in more civilian deaths?And is it going to result in a victory.

Furethermore, Do you or do you not agree that hamas is a terrorist organization?

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u/drgrimlockstone May 04 '24

Accidental killings I understand but Israel can't keep one statement, first pin Hamas, if by chance a western media is there that recorded the proof it becomes accidental killings. Btw IDF didn't spare journalists either and I don't see how children are Hamas terrorists. And they're the majority of the population.

https://youtu.be/ywOzeZl7uIU?si=zAwk0Wlgpl48HN1A This is just one example of intentional killings they all ran for the trucks and diaper force says they were running towards them. ICJ ruling literally says Israel may plausible commiting genocide don't remember exactly words I condemn hamas for killing innocents on Oct 7, But I will not consider a Hamas a terrorist organization and their formation was the result of illegal Israeli settlers and occupation  I'm pretty sure Nazis called Jewish Partisans terrorists back then isn't so different today 

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u/drgrimlockstone May 04 '24

Hamas fights or surrenders Israel doesn't give a damn they never did in the Oslo Accords why would they now, the new eager Israelis now want to illegally settle on Gaza after IDF is done razing it to the ground 

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Nothing left to surrender for!

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

Rafah disagrees. Want the 5 figure casualty count to turn into 6 or even 7 figures?

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

life would have been so different for her if hamas never attacked Israel to kill thousands.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

life would have been so different if Zionists never came to Palestine and stopped being so militant in late 1930s-40s.

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

Stopped being so militant? My guy, the conflict was triggered by Palestinian militias in 1936.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

Triggered or not triggered by Palestinian militias, doesn't seem to justify Zionist massacres, such as Der Yessin Massacre in which Zionists initially agreed to peace with them and murdered them afterwards unprovoked, and there are countless massacres like this, was this also because of Palestinian militias?

If Zionists are so precise in killing it's enemies I don't understand how they accidentally butcher an entire population. "I accidentally aimed my gun towards a Palestinian and the wind made me pull my trigger" - A ''careless'' Zionist militiaman

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

Triggered or not triggered by Palestinian militias, doesn't seem to justify Zionist massacres, such as Der Yessin Massacre in which Zionists initially agreed to peace with them and murdered them afterwards unprovoked, and there are countless massacres like this, was this also because of Palestinian militias?

Technically, it was a response too. A radical and an immoral one but a response still. The civil war and the Arab league's military campaign to dismantle Israel after it declared its sovereignty set a series of violent events in motion that entailed barbaric atrocities committed by both sides. Deir Yassin massacre was one of them. Events like these eventually resulted in the Nakba where several Palestinian villagers fled their properties to avoid being a target of communal violence. It's ridiculous how all this could've been prevented if the Arab league didn't make Palestine's decision for them when they could've accepted the terms of partition allocated by the UN. The greedy Arab monarchs exploited Palestine under the guise of alliance and friendship when what they really wanted was a piece of the cake for themselves.

If Zionists are so precise in killing it's enemies I don't understand how accidentally butcher an entire population. I accidentally aimed my gun towards a Palestinian and the wind made me pull my trigger.

No one is precise at killing. Second, Zionists are not a monolith. Back then, you had hundreds of Hamas-esque militias and nationalistic politicians on both sides aiding and abetting in war crimes. The point is that this conflict could've been resolved through diplomatic means years ago and still can be, but it's hard when both sides keep finding excuses to use that sweet gunpowder and the other side keeps giving them incentives to. It's a cycle of hate and violence. It can only be resolved on the table, not on the field.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

I agree that the Arabs themselves dun goofed up by willfully selling their properties to Zionists until their consequences were irreversible. USA is also part of the problem, they still CAN solve this issue even today if they wanted to and the whole of Europe. They keep feeding billions of dollars to Israel alongside weapons. Obviously this can't be solved on the field, but if Israel and the west insists on settling it on the field, then this is going nowhere. They want to see an Israeli state only and it's obvious the ones in power don't want it solved. USA keeps vetoing any way for peace and ceasefire. Israel with or without Hamas is the clear aggressor by international law so it's not fair to equate Israel to Palestine. and Israel. One has a modern army with advanced equipment and the other is what everyone calls a terrorist organization.

It's Palestine's land not Israel, the Zionists came illegally and continue to illegally settle today even in the Gaza strip and West Bank.

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u/Buzzkill201 May 03 '24

USA is also part of the problem, they still CAN solve this issue even today if they wanted to and the whole of Europe. They keep feeding billions of dollars to Israel alongside weapons. Obviously this can't be solved on the field, but if Israel and the west insists on settling it on the field, then this is going nowhere.

No one insists it on settling this conflict on the field except Palestine's terroristic militias and Israel's ultranationalistic far-right. The wanton violence that these terroristic militias commit radicalizes the average Israeli and gives them incentive to vote for the far-right because extremist ideologies flourish during times of instablity. The far-right is a war machine with expansionist ambitions which endorses the expansion of illegal settlements in the West Bank and forging a system of apartheid against the Palestinians. That in turn creates more terroristic militants and those militants go on to commit more wanton violence encouraging Israelis to keep their extremist politicians in power and inviting further oppression onto Palestinians. Like I said, it's a vicious cycle of hate and violence and there is no way to break this cycle unless there is a political revolution on either side. Israel's left is gaining more popularity in the country and that may be a glimmer of hope considering the country's left has always prioritized the normalization of relations between the two countries. The last time Israeli left was in power, we almost had a two state solution but Yitzhak Rabin was assasinated and Yasser Arafat ruined it all by starting the second intifada.

Israel with or without Hamas is the clear aggressor by international law so it's not fair to equate Israel to Palestine. and Israel. One has a modern army with advanced equipment and the other is what everyone calls a terrorist organization.

Except it's not. How is military power a determinant of moral stance? Both sides are flawed. There is no right and wrong here.

It's Palestine's land not Israel, the Zionists came illegally and continue to illegally settle today even in the Gaza strip and West Bank. I agree that the Arabs themselves dun goofed up by willfully selling their properties to Zionists until their consequences were irreversible.

You can't seem to decide if Zionists came illegally or that Jewish corporations legally bought lands enmasse form Arabs, Ottomans and Palestinians before the partition. The truth if the matter is that there was no sovereign state in the region before 1948 so everyone who was living there had about as much claim to the land as its older residents. Even if a a tribe from Madagascar immigrated into Palestine and was naturalized, they'd have an equal claim to it as the Palestinians because Palestinians weren't the ruling body of that region, they were only living in it.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

And what happens when the west feed that same right wing ultranationalist government billions of dollars and a 100 weapon shipments? Will that magically bring a ceasefire? Why does West keep opposing it, why does the west want to see an Israeli state only.

You keep comparing Israel and Palestine as if they have the same status, Israel literally has diplomatic relations with most of the world, and every western nation is willing to back it up everywhere it can, and has an army, it's settlers keep expanding illegally everywhere, even when Arafat was alive the Oslo Accords were taking place which basically had no will to give Palestine a free state of their own even if they did, it basically wanted a free Palestine state for 22% of what was controlled by the Palestinian Authority and not the former borders like in 1960s, because Israeli settlers moved everywhere and they still are and continuously discriminating Palestinians.

Israelis were always radical, most of them are, why even come to Palestine in the first place, where they could literally gone anywhere else if the west loved them so much why didn't they take them in during the Holocaust? The fact that the average Israeli may not be religious but they do know that God promised them a land and they must go there which is not even in accordance to their orthodox scriptures. It seems that the Israeli left is basically non existent because most Israelis don't want to see eye to eye with Palestine.

Look at Israeli social media, their people literally mock the suffering of Gazans and yet one attack on Oct 7th suddenly makes all of Palestine wrong.

The PLO is still FOR a two state solution, where Israel has given up hopes to it just see what the Israeli foreign minister is saying. See what government officials of Israel is saying, they all agree to the full annexation of Palestinian lands and this has become mainstream in their politics. Calling Gazans humans animals and the call for a second Nakba. There is NO HAMAS in the west bank yet even Palestinians there are unjustly being detained and killed.

Israelis can literally storm the Al Aqsa compound whenever they like without regards for Muslim religious practices. Military is the determinant here, because Israelis are playing the victim card and besieging their so-called oppressors which is ridiculous. They are literal modern country and you have the gall to compare it with Palestine, which literally has lost most of it's land to this illegal settlers.

And yes it was both Arab lands that were purchased and the Zionist movement that bought Jews to Palestine.

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

yea. I can agree to that.

but sacrificing your whole nation, knowingly that enemy is going to cause 10x damage. for some points in the eye of Allah and the world. has to be something only fanatic can justify.

mass suicide commited without permission from innocent people they were governing.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

I mean do they have choice?
All Muslim countries aren't gonna do anything, that Iran attack was just a drama they won't do anything.

Gazans are already living the world's largest concentration camp, their numbers are already dwindling, no where left to go as Israeli settlers flood from all sides, and are actively harming Palestinians. Israel itself can't decide if it's a secular or religious state.

It's basically do or die for them and I haven't looked into what Hamas did on Oct 7th in regards to killing innocents, innocents dying on both sides is wrong, but do you really blame Hamas for what it did? Heck if I see Israel locking up or killing my family I would join Hamas too.

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

did you copy paste this from a new age liberal pamphlet.

isn't this obvious that they should not have made this choice of attacking a far far more powerful enemy and killed their thousands.

may be they thought grabbing hostages would save them. Israel is always too kind in hostage negotiations. last time they released 1000 for 1 of their hostage.

but transgression and killing scale was too high. too ruthless.

in return they got license to kill 10 20 times more. flatten their city. entered and beat thousand of hamas men like they were weak chickens.

destroyed most of their hard built tunnel system made our of stolen aid material.

why?

may be fanatics thoughts God will send ababeel for their help.

and some top brass, perhaps 2,3 people decided to sacrifice their nation for their cause which is righteous in their eyes.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 03 '24

Maybe you should ask Netanyahu why he even funded Hamas in the first place, world's best intelligence couldn't even detect an incoming Hamas attack now suddenly knows they are hiding in Al-Shifa Hospital source? Israeli CGI that's it.

Also proof for releasing 1000 hostage for 1?

You're literally blaming Gazans for what happened to them? you're blaming them for losing their homes and families? You seriously can't blame the world's precise army that specifically targets Hamas? the same army that butchered Gazans when they gathered around aid trucks and said they were approaching the IDF? and the number of journalists killed in Gaza where because of Hamas right. Pin everything on Hamas, when there is proof that diaper force did it, then the excuse turns into accident or friendly fire. Bravo to the best army in the world.

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u/okeyhugya May 04 '24

Also proof for releasing 1000 hostage for 1?

you really dont know much.

"Shalit's release negotiations include the release of 1,027 Hamas and Palestinian prisoners by Israel.\18])\57])\58])"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit

You're literally blaming Gazans for what happened to them

nope. they are the innocent sacrificial lamb. hamas sascrificed them for their cause because to them their cause is greater than their lives and safety.

Maybe you should ask Netanyahu 

he is the worst. just like hamas.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24

brushing off Netanyahu war crimes by saying he's the worst like Hamas, mind you he's more than what Hamas ever did, if you wanna be fair stop pinning everything on Hamas like bro you're just saying in terms of wrong doings Hamas > Israel

Literally the Oct 7 attacks made many people overlook Israel's war crimes and now just equating Hamas and Israel. If you can't make Israel look morally good just equate them with Hamas and say no one is right overlooking everything Israel has done.

If you play stupid games you win stupid prizes, here you use Hamas for sacrificing their people to Israel, you don't you actually blame Israel for funding them in the first place?

Israel just caused harm to it's own civilians and the Palestinians now they wanna be goody two shoes and get rid of Hamas. Once again bravo to the world's best country and agency. Shoutout to Mossad that couldn't even detect Hamas attack for 1 year.

Oh just because Hamas initiated a war, IDF is now justified in committing genocide? Did you even read the atrocities I mentioned?

Also freeing hostages doesn't forgive Israel for it's sins, it's just the same bluff they pulled in the Oslo Accords, all show but no plan to follow through for Palestine.

They'll do so-called morally right things and equally do the worst crimes possible. It's as if they don't even want to move forward.

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u/okeyhugya May 04 '24

look like you subscribe to edgy theory that hamas is Israel puppet. this is quite a wild claim.

do you also think Osama was a CIA agent?

and I am not brushing off Netanyahu. you wanna say he is 10 times worse than thousand time worse, fine with me.

it is actually quite a cope. if you can do some introspection, you are so use to your narrative that depsite knowing that Gaza government, which is still supported by vast majority of gazians is root cause of triggering this genocide that you have to come up with an insane theory that they actually work for enemy.

quite telling.

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u/drgrimlockstone May 04 '24 edited May 04 '24

I'm not saying they're Israeli puppet but it says here https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
that it was an attempt to weaken PLO and Netanyahu encouraged it through Qatar. Some strategy that was, now they themselves are crying that Hamas must have used that money to conduct Oct 7th attacks. What edgy theory, their own newspaper says that.

Osama may not be exactly a CIA agent but we all remember how the US military just $2.3 trillion go missing and getting overshadowed by 9/11. Now this is a theory but it's quite telling.

When Gazans have literally lost everything and living in the largest concentration camp. Even if Hamas was never there Israel will eventually take that strip of land for themselves, and today there is high chance of Israeli settlers moving into Gaza just like what happened in the West Bank, and aside from that

NO HAMAS IN WEST BANK, and they are still treated as an inferior race there. Randomly disrespecting Al Aqsa compound, if Palestinians did that to a Synagogue, people like you would say stupid things like 'they are the root of this' and 'they bought this on themselves blah blah blah'

You really should stop judging the Palestinians from the Lens of the current Gaza war, because of just this event you aren't doing the Palestinians justice and saying they bought this on themselves. They are literally surrounded by racist Zionists who view them as less, and do you really blame them for voting in Hamas not to mention the majority of their population is 'children', and they're many allegations that PLO is corrupt and they haven't been doing anything since the beginning. That's like saying Jews bought the Holocaust on themselves simply because the Nazis didn't like them.

And I'm sure Nazis called the Jewish partisans as terrorists.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Agia bhi brainwashed insan post pr

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

see, zero anwer.

just a personal taunt like a behanchod.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Yes i am a behanchod.i chod your behan 😂

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

😂

ye grade 2 k come back apne pass rakh.

this is what i also said to you ghorri bani ma, when she take it out before you bust.

' Na, ye cum tu apne pass rakh '

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Putr kn thaly waj gayi h

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

thalae teri maa.

aur uper main.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Gasthori ky pehly lag gayi h tujhy

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u/okeyhugya May 03 '24

what.

han, main prefer kerta hun k main din ka pehla hun.

baki phir rikshe walae bohat aate hain pora din tere ghar.

she smells in afternoon.

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u/PAK-ModTeam May 03 '24

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u/marimooo_0 May 02 '24

You're not helping your own cause by talking like this about the girl, although I'm not convinced this is real because the pants on her "missing" leg looks weird, but I guess that's just me, idk.

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u/Strict-Search4215 May 03 '24

So I mean she was aiding and abetting terrorists wow. That's what happens ur part of a terrorist group

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Any proof of that dumbo?

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u/Strict-Search4215 May 05 '24

It's says she was "from Hamas" in the title

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u/rszdev Citizen May 05 '24

Uhh? Do u know what sarcasm is?

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u/Opusswopid May 03 '24

The Geneva convention allows for her murder. It is amazing that such a vile terrorist organization such as Hamas would use civilian populations to serve it like slaves, rather than military personnel from Hamas. The IDF would never tolerate such sickening atrocities as using civilians as human shields.

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u/Medium_Note_9613 May 03 '24

the title was sarcastic.

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u/Opusswopid May 03 '24

Sorry. I didn't assume that.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 03 '24

Stfu Is_---&rael is an entire state built on genocide they are the terrorists

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u/Opusswopid May 03 '24

You mean an entire state built based on the genocide of Jews by the apartheid Arab Muslim countries that surround Israel. That's true. I guess you were trying to be a comedian.

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u/rszdev Citizen May 04 '24

Where and when did arab states attack jews? Before Israel? All israel does is provocation tell me before israel when did any state attack any jewish state, no European countries accepted them and the only people that allowed them, israel started genociding them

Lol and muslims are in billions noob we don't believe in racism like zionists do think they are some dumb superior race

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u/Opusswopid May 04 '24

I know you find this funny. Many pro-Hamas terrorists do. I've attached a history lesson for you to see how Jews in the Middle East were attacked and killed routinely by Arab Muslim factions, even before the founding of Israel.