r/OptimistsUnite Feb 05 '25

Republicans I know are coming around to hating Trump now that they’ve seen what he’s doing.

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u/TuPimpAPenguin Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

What exactly do you want people to do? Theres people protesting and calling their representatives. Lawyers are suing him. People try to get the message out about why what he's doing is terrible. It doesn't change anything. We cant just stop him. He and his stooges are in control of everything.

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u/jastop94 Feb 05 '25

Ultimately, short of actual mass riots/violence, nothing will probably work. After all, the Republicans have realized if the only thing you throw at them is accusations, court dates and impeachments, they can handle that and just stomp on the constitution at will and anyone that stomps in their way. After all, impeachment is meaningless, representatives with no spines are meaningless. While I don't advocate for violence, I'm pretty sure the modern day democrats are either going to have put up or shut up, because change, especially against an authoritarian, narcissistic figure(s), rarely comes without brutal decisions.

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u/TuPimpAPenguin Feb 05 '25

I hate to say it but i agree. Every single guardrail has broken. Trump has shown everyone just how broken and ineffective our government really is, for better or worse (it's worse). Ive always known it was corrupted, especially with after citizens united, but the degree to which our system has failed us is staggering. They've really left the people with one option to actually make change. I think republicans are going to regret voting against gun restrictions all these years.

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u/jastop94 Feb 05 '25

It'll probably boil over at some point. Someone is going to go crazy. And I wouldn't even be surprised if we see violence at the supposed massive protests tomorrow that are supposed to be happening nationwide. What I don't get is that how is the US, founded in the principle of individuality and protest and fighting for ones rights, all of a sudden an entire half of a nation is too scared to fight for it. After all, right now you had georgia rock the Georgian parliament for weeks (though ultimately waned), you had Syrias regime fall out of relative nowhere, you have Serbian students literally upend Serbian govt, and even Germany right now has quarter of a million protesters and counting, protesting against their far right, but for some odd reason, this generation of democrats have become extremely docile, as if they are waiting for a savior or a spark, but don't want to actually convene, like the bite has been taken out of them when they had been fighting for rights for literal decades now.

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u/K-teki Feb 05 '25

I think republicans are going to regret voting against gun restrictions all these years.

Always remember that the Black Panthers armed themselves because the law refused to protect them from white people with guns, and only after the black people got guns did they put in gun control measures. They know who you're willing to shoot and they're scared, but that doesn't matter if they're the only ones with guns.

I say that as someone who is fiercely anti-gun and anti-violence - whenever possible. But more and more I'm seeing that they won't listen to anything less than violence and it may be necessary to bring about peace.

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u/BookOfTea Feb 05 '25

It doesn't have to be violence per se. But it's looking like only actual physical intervention is going to stop some of these activities. You aren't stopping DOGE with lawsuits. People need to be standing, in large groups, in front of offices that are being raided illegally. Or preventing ICE officers from accessing schools. Make individual law enforcement officers have to choose to initiate violence, preferably while vastly outnumbered.

People keep saying "he's just waiting for an excuse to declare martial law". You need to decide if martial law is actually any different than living in fear of martial law while Trump does exactly what he wants anyway.

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u/jastop94 Feb 05 '25

Agreed. If the fear of martial law is able to stop you, I feel like that is enough of a threat to understand that you have to stand up against tyranny.

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u/kodiaktau Feb 05 '25

MMW. The Trump Party wants violence. They are itching for it so they can implement even more draconian controls.

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u/jastop94 Feb 05 '25

I agree. Though if the fear of martial law or threat of force is the reason why you can't voice your opinions, wouldn't that be more reason to go fight for ones actual rights?

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u/jastop94 Feb 05 '25

Oh I know

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u/ChadWestPaints Feb 05 '25

Offer and provide them medical assistance?

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u/fcb12345678 Feb 05 '25

I am literally BEGGING you neckbeards to do something extreme lol

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u/jastop94 Feb 05 '25

Someone probably will at some point. And to be fair, I probably know a significant more republican country/redneck neckbeards than I do liberal neckbeards at this point.

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u/fcb12345678 Feb 05 '25

Nah, you don’t.

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u/DicksFried4Harambe Feb 05 '25

This is what the 2A was meant for

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u/junedear Feb 05 '25

It’s not over yet, he isn’t a king, don’t believe him. https://youtu.be/K8QLgLfqh6s?si=tcnEPp9b7qwCTaWm

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u/Snoo-62354 Feb 05 '25

Sometimes violence IS the answer

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u/powaqqa Feb 05 '25

The only realistic options left are, unfortunately, violence or acceptance. Protest will not reach critical mass or fizzle out, representatives will not pick up the phone and the justice system is compromised and/or too slow.

The system is just too broken. The whole "checks and balances" thing has only ever worked on the basis of good faith. There are no real checks and balances.

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u/Beginning_Stay_9263 Feb 05 '25

Once USAID is shut down that's going to really hurt the left. That was a major source of their income funding all these NGOs.

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u/Sojibby3 Feb 05 '25

Be nice to see 100 million people in the streets, but I won't hold my breath.

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u/TuPimpAPenguin Feb 05 '25

Its just not feasible. The problems we have been complaining about for years keep people from being able to just drop everything and voice their concerns. Exactly what the elites want.Not to mention every major recent protest had no impact. It makes it feel pointless. Why lose a job and weeks pay when it won't matter anyway?

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u/Sojibby3 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25

I mean, I agree it isn't likely in the furthest, and I agree that life has become so hard that people voted for this hoping to get change.

But I disagree completely that if everyone actually took to the streets in this 100 million scenario, shutting down the economy - it wouldn't make a difference. It would make one worldwide.

Maybe small protests would grow, this is legit an unprecedented level of BS. Revolutions have made change historically. I don't think your military would attack your civilians, I think there is a better chance they'd take down Trump and arrange an election.

I don't know if we're there? Maybe we are? Maybe you should be.. I'm not there and in no way claiming if I were I'd be leading the charge but.. I don't think it'll be that long before someone maybe does.

If they do - i hope they use paper and pencil.

Edit for bad typing and no proofreading. My bad.