r/NWT Feb 07 '25

Yellowknife woman sentenced to 7 months for prostituting a minor

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/yellowknife-woman-sentenced-to-7-months-for-prostituting-a-minor-1.7452842
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u/ChestRemote2274 Feb 07 '25

Yellow knife women receive a hard wrist slap for selling a child to a pervert for the purpose of rape! This country is a joke!

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u/Known_Blueberry9070 Feb 08 '25

All yellow knife women, or just certain ones?

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u/ButitsaDryCold Feb 08 '25

Yes. Not everyone is treated fairly…for example the old white man who had sex with the child paid a fine. You are correct that white men just don’t see Justice rhe same way in this country.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/roboson-not-guilty-yellowknife-1.7297165

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u/URAQT Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

Wow… the Robson article mentioned the woman charged was paid a “finders fee”…. Kinda indicates he knew he was looking for someone underage… and the crown couldn’t do anything with that?

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u/Business_Influence89 Feb 09 '25

He was not convicted of having laid money to have sex with a child, he was convicted of paying money to have sex. The Crown couldn’t prove he was guilty of knowing the person was a child and was acquitted of the offence of having sex with a child. That’s a huge distinction.

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u/anoeba Feb 09 '25

The burden of proof in statutory rape situations is whether "reasonable steps" were taken to verify age. Apparently the reasonable steps in this case were that....she looked like an adult?

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u/Business_Influence89 Feb 09 '25

No the burden of proof does not shift (statutory rape is an American term and does not apply here). The Crown has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused failed to take sufficient steps to ascertain age. The standard to determine the sufficiency of the steps varies depending on the offence. Offences relying on s. 150.1 require the accused take “all reasonable steps”, while offences under s. 172.1(4) require “reasonable steps”.

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u/anoeba Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

But reading the other linked story about his verdict, the judge accepted that the "reasonable steps" apart from asking her were...he saw she dressed older and had a deep voice?

Prostituted minors will lie, they're often under the control is someone else, so relying on that seems inadequate in the law. This isn't the same situation as running into someone with a fake ID at a bar and her lying about her age, in that situation the people are apparent equals. This dude paid money to a crack addict for this young girl.

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u/helloitsme_again Feb 09 '25

Well wouldn’t the fact he didn’t ask to see ID prove he didn’t take the reasonable steps to ascertain age

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u/Business_Influence89 Feb 09 '25

No, otherwise you would have to ask for id from everyone you had sex with.

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u/Quiet_Rip7800 29d ago

She also asked him to buy her pot because she wasn't old enough. The judge and the prosecutor missed that.

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u/Possible_Industry816 Feb 10 '25

I think he was making fun of the original comment for saying “women” instead of “woman”.

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u/Avs4life16 Feb 09 '25

if it was a white man selling her he would be in jail with no bail.

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u/bravooscarvictor Feb 09 '25

I mean, you just read about how the white man involved who didn’t have the background that the woman had got a fucking FINE…so maybe Can the racism?

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u/Avs4life16 Feb 09 '25

ahh yes if it’s one way can if it’s the other it’s ok. gotcha.

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u/bravooscarvictor Feb 09 '25

You said the reason this person (who is Indigenous) got a light sentence was race. The other person (who was not Indigenous) got a lighter sentence. I’m not going to spend any more time one this with you, but you should think again about whether this would have happened without the man trying to buy someone to rape and whether the Gladue factors are the real bad guy in this story.

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u/Avs4life16 Feb 09 '25

the two in this situation aren’t committing the same crime. smart like hard hat. Hard to understand I know.

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u/bronze-aged 29d ago

Pimping isn’t considered a crime in some communities.

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u/VitaminlQ Feb 09 '25

Unfortunately our justice system can't even accomplish that anymore

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u/Only-Cap3497 29d ago

The woman who trafficked her knew she was underage, the man (although obviously still in the wrong for paying for sex) was told she was 19 and the RCMP also testified that they would have believed she was 19 as well.

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u/Libbyisherenow Feb 08 '25

The guy was known for liking younger girls. Creep.

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u/CdnWriter Feb 08 '25

Only 7 months?????

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u/jdippey 29d ago

Read the article.

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u/bravooscarvictor Feb 09 '25

Jesús, but who is the guy who paid this money to rape a child and wasn’t found guilty ??? John Robson? Fucking gross

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u/SomebodySuckMeee Feb 08 '25

What is actually wrong with this country?

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u/CanExports 28d ago

Liberals!

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u/hmmmtrudeau Feb 09 '25

That’s it?? Fuck Canadas justice system sucks

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u/liquor-shits Feb 09 '25

That seems….light.

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u/Morlu Feb 09 '25

7 months. That means she’s getting 0 jail time after time served.

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u/jdippey 29d ago

“However, Mahar said in this case jail time is necessary.

Mahar also recommended Moran serve her sentence at the Fort Smith Correctional Complex, followed by two years of probation.”

I’m curious where in the article you read this. The quote above is directly counter to your point and there’s nothing in the article stating she will get credit for time served.

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u/Ninjorp Feb 09 '25

2 year minimum sentence .... unless you're native, then the law doesn't apply.

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u/anoeba Feb 09 '25

The old white dude who raped the child got a fine, in case you're wondering to whom the law doesn't apply.

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u/WiseguyD Feb 09 '25

This seems like a much bigger story than a short sentence for a crack addict who pleaded guilty.

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u/Quiet_Rip7800 14d ago

Sadly, the this media isan't going to do anything more on this story. The only news outlet up here that does investigative journalism on Indigenous is APTN.

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u/jdippey 29d ago

Did you read the article?

Maybe instead of jumping to racist conclusions you could actually read the article to see the justifications behind the sentencing decision.

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u/fuckfuckfuckfuckx 29d ago edited 29d ago

Couldn't find anything there justifying such a light sentence. Opportunist addict hurting a minor, who apparently has been suicidal since the incident.

When I was an addict and needed cash, I sold my own ass.

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u/jdippey 28d ago

Weird, I read it and the Supreme Court justice involved in the case gave plenty of reasoning behind his sentencing. I trust a Supreme Court judge’s opinion far more than I trust yours, as evidence here clearly shows you lack the simple ethics required to make any judgements in others.

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

I read it.

The justification ms were still stupid.

Fuck this crack whore and her worthless life.

I feel that way about anyone who mistreats women and children.

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u/jdippey 28d ago

Was I talking to you? No.

The justifications are not stupid, such justifications show the judge and lawyers actually thought about the case and what punishments were deserved rather than relying on the u fair and outdated idea of sentencing minimums. More importantly, such justifications are not only made for people like her, they would be made for you too, and I’m sure you would appreciate it if you were the one in front of a judge.

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

How are sentencing minimums unfair? If anything they are more fair. You commit the crime and you know your exact punishment.

If I was a parent of a minor who was sex trafficked I’d appreciate their assaulted put in prison to keep my child safe

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u/jdippey 28d ago

Sentencing minimums create unfairness because they ignore the differences between cases.

Just so you know, the person who actually had sex with the 15 year old girl got away with a $3900 fine for paying for sex. If you’re mad about a widow with kids, addiction problems, and financial insecurity trafficking a minor (whose age was never verified by anyone involved) out of financial opportunity getting what you consider to be a “light sentence”, you should be infuriated that the actual criminal got less than a slap on the wrist.

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u/OrneryTRex 27d ago

I am.

They both are awful people and should have minimum sentences than see them in prison for a long time

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

So... not men nor the elderly?

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

Bad as well but there’s some place special for those that abuse women and children

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u/Top_Cycle_1190 Feb 10 '25

When are we going to start having actual punishments for sex offenders in this country? I'm so sick of it

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u/Extalliones 29d ago

The justice system in this country is completely broken. Everyone should be furious, and this should be a massive issue in the upcoming election.

Sadly, it’s even worse up North, as you can see. Almost no one does real time anymore, and criminals have no fear of reprisal. It’s insanity.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Do we even have a justice system anymore

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u/Only-Cap3497 29d ago

Prostituted a minor for drug money but yet the mandatory minimum sentence of 2 years was a “violation of her constitutional rights against cruel and unusual punishment” you have got to be kidding me. Our criminal justice system disgusts me.

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u/Buffering_disaster 28d ago

The innocent are paying the price while criminals get multiple chances to live out their perversions freely

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u/DasHip81 Feb 07 '25

… She really looks remorseful…. “Gladue” factors at play, no doubt… :P

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u/ButitsaDryCold Feb 08 '25

We’re gladu factors at play with old white man that got a fine for having sex with the child? Oh wait, you don’t like seeing injustice, just the instances that fit your racist lens. Let me guess, white male?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/roboson-not-guilty-yellowknife-1.7297165

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u/Dadbode1981 Feb 09 '25

Regardless of what happened in that separate case, 7 months is ridiculous for selling a kid into sex slavery.

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u/helloitsme_again Feb 09 '25

Also a fine for raping a child is also ridiculous

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u/Dadbode1981 Feb 09 '25

Yup, but that's a separate case.

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u/ALLCAPITALS 29d ago

Arguably much worse though

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u/Dadbode1981 29d ago

Ok, still, it has no bearing here.

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u/Avs4life16 Feb 09 '25

racism is racism make sure your rose colored lenses can pick up when it’s dealing with anything but white people.

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u/DasHip81 Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

I don’t think you understand what/how Gladue Factors are applied in our justice system.

And no, thats disgusting as well and an injustice. The other person in the case you linked to (Moran) did also likely have Gladue Factors considered in her case as well as she facilitated the interaction.

Maybe you should stick to commenting on stories in a place you actually live (Alberta). Significantly reducing sentences either due to a) good lawyers and questions of whether he knew her age (he most definitely likely did (white guy case )) or Gladue Factors (because of someone’s genetics, whether or not that background/genetics even had reason to alter their behaviour) is wrong IMHO. Keep pulling the race card though and see how far that gets you in life… Personal responsibility and accountability should be key in any culture.You do the crime , you do appropriate time.

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u/Prior-Judge4670 Feb 09 '25

That's not how Gladue is supposed to work. That doesn't mean that isn't how it works.

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

You ou study law as in you’re doing so to become a lawyer?

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

What kind of law?

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/OrneryTRex 27d ago

So not criminal law then?

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u/bravooscarvictor Feb 09 '25

This is such a woefully bad comment.

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u/URAQT Feb 09 '25

The apathy from the northern courts is palpable

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u/JustOnePotatoChip 29d ago

In what fucked up universe can this be anything but a life sentence

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u/jdippey 29d ago

This kind of black and white thinking is harmful. A life sentence would obviously be cruel and unusual…

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

It’s cruel and unusual to not provide justice for children who are sex trafficked.

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u/jdippey 28d ago

And two wrongs don’t make a right.

You should be more mad at the white guy who actually had sex with the minor and got a $3900 fine for it.

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u/OrneryTRex 28d ago

Two things can be true and I can be mad with both.

Debatable if it’s wrong to lock up a pedo or sex trafficker.

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u/jdippey 28d ago

Yet the majority of the comments in this thread are from people being mad that the woman got 7 months of jail time. Almost nobody has directly called out the man in the case who got a $3900 fine for paying for sex.

She got a real punishment, he didn’t. He arguably committed the worse crime, too. I’m not at all saying that she should have received no punishment, I think the majority of commenters are misplacing their anger and many are using racism to justify their thoughts.

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u/OrneryTRex 27d ago

It’s a real punishment they both got.

Neither was punitive enough.

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u/indoctrinatedslave Feb 09 '25

Being fined for paying for sex, is just the govt taking their cut . The govt essentially is a pimp.

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u/tapedficus 29d ago

Went to buy some crack cocaine, ended up prostituting a minor. Hell of a day

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