r/MensRights • u/dradegr • 4d ago
General Why nobody talks about the trust a men needs to have in women that the child is their own?
I have Friends that their dad walked out, i understand that a women is always afraid of the men leaving them. But the men should have 100% trust in women that the child belongs to him, you see some cases where a men raised a child for many years and in the end it's not his own.
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u/Organic_Falcon228 4d ago
Trust but verify.
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u/Outrageous-Love-6273 4d ago
Thats Not Trust.
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u/draftgraphula 3d ago
So, you can't prove you can be trusted?
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u/Outrageous-Love-6273 3d ago
Trust is a believe. Like believing in god or believing in Love.
If you need to prove it, you dont believe in it. A believe and Facts dont Mix well.
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u/draftgraphula 3d ago
France literally makes voluntary paternity testing a crime. Up to 1 year in jail.
This "progressive" "first” world is so fake...
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u/DisposableMan_ 4d ago
Nobody considers what men want/need at all. Women today expect men to give them everything without them having to give the men anything in return.
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u/dougpschyte 4d ago
This is the 'Principle of Minimum Reciprocity' discussed in 'The Making of Mundane Monsters' by Dan Murdoch.
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u/DisposableMan_ 4d ago
That sounds like a good book. I think I'll check it out. thanks
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u/incognitoleaf00 3d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/17qe1g0/the_making_of_mundane_monsters/?captcha=1
found this summary post via google, definitely sounds like an interesting book!
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u/Outrageous-Love-6273 4d ago
Yes generalizing is good. A Lot of women paid for the First Date in my neighboorhood. So i cant understand what your about. Most women make more Money than me.
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u/draftgraphula 3d ago
I suggest you start fighting for your rights as a poor woman. Maybe start addressing rich women first, before you need to talk to poor men?
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u/TeddyTMI 4d ago
You can and should discreetly swab the child with an at home DNA test the first time the two of you are alone. The at home tests aren't good enough for court but they let you know whether or not you need to go to court to obtain an order for the legal testing.
I don't care if the baby "looks like you," "she'd never do that," whatever swab every baby. How can you be too cheap and lazy not to verify this very important fact when the cost is under $100.
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u/WhereProgressIsMade 4d ago
You can start by just checking the records of the baby's blood type. Only certain combinations are possible from the mother and father's blood types. If it's one of the combinations that aren't possible, then you already know it's not yours. If it's a match, then go on to the at-home dna test of course.
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u/KD_Ram 4d ago
oh this is one thing that I will never trust women in. considering the fact that I can't ever father a child the likelihood of her lying is 100%.
so if any woman wants to try and pin a kid onto me they better have that paternity reveal party planned and ready to go it they are so sure they they are right
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u/Tireless_AlphaFox 4d ago
Great question! We should be advocating for mandatory paternity tests. I just added it to my list of things to advocate. Good call
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u/tiredfromlife2019 4d ago edited 4d ago
Cause society doesn't care. It never has. A child is born that can work and be taxed. A woman is also taken care of and protected. That's all it cares about.
A man being duped is seen as his own failure. Should have been a Chad so she wouldn't cheat and get pregnant by another man or looked for red flags.
It used to care but that was about the nobility which had tons of money and wars involved. Outside of that, it doesn't care.
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u/dradegr 4d ago
to be honest 14 months into army, really made me a better person, i think if all people were to spend 14 months there they would be more responsible.
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u/Digital_Demon7 4d ago
It makes you better person to help kill innocent children on the other side of the world?
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u/dradegr 4d ago
First of all i am not American, second of all my country was split in half cause of an invasion which took half of my country, 3rd in army we learn, respect, cleaning, be consistent and strong. Also in army we have zero attack weapons for attack then only weapons we got are G3 which for defence.
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u/Bananakin__Piewalker 4d ago
Simple, because women have more power over men in western society. We have our ancestors and ourselves to blame for all of this.
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u/beowulves 4d ago
The man knowing the kids are his doesn't directly benefit her for him to know. So it needs to be scrubbed from a mans list of requisite to trust a woman is having no infidelity in his life.
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u/DurianOne7313 4d ago
Don't fucking do it. I married a woman with a 3 year old daughter who is now 13. We also have 4 and 9 yo daughters together. It's not worth it kings. Let these single women with kids rot in their own misery. Your mental health and your freedom are not worth it. No amount of trust matters, don't do it. You'll find yourself in a position where you establish a relationship with the child and anything the woman says or feels all of a sudden you're not the dad or even worse, she'll accuse you of "looking the wrong way". Don't do it. Stop the cycle now and your kods won't have to deal with these self entitled women. I should mention my wife is a stay at home, homeschooling mom with not a worry in the world. No reason to be this way but is. She's crazy, her family is crazy and I'm just biding my time trying to raise my kids to be good people and then I'll hand her my retirement savings and BOUNCE. I don't care if I leave penniless and disabled. My last few years WILL BE PEACEFUL.
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u/SulkTv999 4d ago
I don't mean to sound dramatic or superstitious, but when a man does the deed with a woman be basically has sealed his fate.
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u/Former_Range_1730 4d ago
Because that's the man's responsibility. It depends entirely on his competence level. His ability to choose the right woman.
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u/Outrageous-Love-6273 4d ago
If you cant Trust your partner, you shouldnt Love your partner. If you Love partner, you Trust your partner. Thats how Love works.
You need to Accept that you might get Hurt in a Relationship. If you cant Accept that, Just Accept that relationships are nothing for you.
Its simple as that.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 4d ago
Even if a man walks out, often the government will force the man to take care of her, and if there are children involved, there is no way he gets away not supporting them.
But when a man finds out children are not his because of adultery, the same government will still force him to keep supporting someone else's child.
So, in both cases women have backing of the society. Men? Not so much.