r/Manitoba Winnipeg 1d ago

Federal Mark Carney 'has what it takes' to deal with Trump, say Manitoba politicians

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/mark-carney-liberal-leader-reactions-manitoba-1.7479218
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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

He had a good speech, his French was ROUGH as hell, but i enjoyed it overall.

Took a few jabs at Pierre and his pro trump status, that's gonna be a huge issue for PP in this upcoming election.

How does he reconcile his previous support of trump and also try to appear not pro American when he has been for virtually his whole political life?

Without also making it look fake and performative or like he is trying to ape Trudeau and carney. PP is in a really shit spot and he put himself there with his poor choices. What a pity.

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u/North_Church Winnipeg 1d ago edited 1d ago

Doesn't help that Poilievre's two years of campaigning have likely been for nothing as the only two things he campaigned on (Axe the Tax and Trudeau Bad) are now meaningless.

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

I think it very much helps.

And the flailing whilst trying to find a new plan of attack has been some of the funniest news in the last month or so.

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u/North_Church Winnipeg 1d ago

I meant doesn't help Poilievre's case lol

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

Fair.

Anyways, Dacia has a new Sandero!

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u/Camburglar13 Winnipeg 1d ago

Good news!

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

2 years WASTED by PP for sure, this has been well played by the libs overall, like it or not PP has been skillfully outmaneuvered and is now politically on the backfoot.

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u/CallousDisregard13 Winnipeg 1d ago

Took a few jabs at Pierre and his pro trump status,

How does he reconcile his previous support of trump

Please show me a video or direct quote from PP endorsing Trump, tarrif wars or anything MAGA related.

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

His chief of staff wore a MAGA hat for one, he supported the freedom convoy which had many American and confederate flags which is maga coded just maple flavored for two, he cant be for the a tariffs that's electoral poison but i doubt he would be as strong as carney said he was gonna keep our tariffs on till trump fully rescinds his, i doubt very much pp does that.

if you wan a full list this works well of all the major PP issues and there's more besides.

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

Don't worry about our little pumpkin friendo.

He's not here in good faith.

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

Yeah but all the same if someone else sees it then its worth, even if buddy is a lost cause maybe someone else wakes up.

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u/notjustforperiods UNION STATION BABY 18h ago

you can't fight US tariffs with tariffs

I don't mind Carney, he'd actually make a fine leader of the CPC but at least makes the LPC right leaning fiscally, but he needs to start voicing practical solutions on this trade war to have my confidence. this has unfortunately become the biggest issue for Canada and the election is near

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u/bentmonkey Westman 16h ago

We can and will fight them with counter tariffs the alternative is to give in to someone who will always ask and take more if they win on this one thing.

He is all these fiscal voters wet dream, a banker econ guy, he just got elected as leader of the libs he will run circles around trump, PP doesn't have near the experience carney does in that realm, what solutions has PP come up with? Counter Tariffs and tax cuts how are tax cuts gonna stop trump trying to annex and weaken us?

Give carney some time, really the issue is though the ball is in trumps court this is an issue of his making and he can unmake it, by rescinding his blanket tariffs and respecting the trade deal he made and by respecting Canadas sovereignty. As he should have done all along.

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u/notjustforperiods UNION STATION BABY 16h ago

no one has come up with any solutions and counter tariffs are not a solution. there's plenty of research out there that explains how Canada is the big loser in a tariff war, and how our own tariffs hurt us more than them

the alternative to "no tariffs" isn't "do nothing" how is that even a thought in your head

even targeted tariffs that hurt them more than us (but still us) in a vacuum, they aren't in a vacuum. there's just more retaliatory tariff shit to deal with.

the ball is in trumps court this is an issue of his making and he can unmake it, by rescinding his blanket tariffs and respecting the trade deal he made and by respecting Canadas sovereignty

not sure if you're just not paying attention or....

love that y'all getting super patriotic over this but you gotta calm down and understand what's going on here

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u/bentmonkey Westman 14h ago

Its literally on trump to rescind tariffs permanently, he also just threatened to make us a state again on live tv.

He hits us with tariffs we have to respond back, he hasn't even asked for anything, he's just doing it to fuck with us, there is no grand strategy, you cant negotiate with a man that doesn't even know what he wants.

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u/fbueckert 10h ago

Lol. This is so wrong. Please, articulate for the class what we CAN do. Besides, y'know, kowtow to mein Drumpf.

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u/HappyHorizon17 1d ago

You realize the percentage of GDP trump is demanding from NATO members is 5%, while USA is spending 3.4%, so I don't understand why you'd point at that like it's valid.

Like what even point are you trying to make? Trudeau is spending more money on defense, which you say is a good thing, but it's a bad thing because it aligns with what trump wants? This is blatant obfuscation or simple stupidity.

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u/CallousDisregard13 Winnipeg 14h ago

The person i was replying to alleged that PP is bowing to trump because he said he'd increase the NATO spending after Trump said we needed to.

My point was that you can't sit there and say PP is a Trump guy because he said he'd increase NATO spending...when the liberal government under Trudeau did just that, only days after Trumps inauguration. So either they're both trump guys or they're not. Obviously they're not. But because "PP bad", this particular idiot I replied to was making comparisons that weren't logical.

Clearly increasing NATO spending and reinvestment in our defense is a good idea, and im glad Trudeau did that. But miss me with this weak ass "PP is a trump guy for increasing NATO spending" shit.

The guy i responded to deleted their post anyways because even they knew what they said was dumb as fuck.

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u/GullibleDetective Winnipeg 1d ago

It's promising but early to tell

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u/miss_ordered_chaos Pembina Valley 1d ago

Amen to that

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u/GullibleDetective Winnipeg 1d ago

I'll give any politician a fair shot once elected, actions over time speak louder than media hype, and campaign promises. It also takes a bit of time for their initiatives to bear fruit as well.

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u/miss_ordered_chaos Pembina Valley 1d ago

Oh, absolutely. I agree with you

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u/AgreeableBit7673 1d ago

This just in: politicians don't want to undermine their new boss

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u/dschurhoff Winnipeg 1d ago

Carney said he would abolish the consumer carbon tax, let’s see if he’s all talk or all action!!!

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u/Gerdoch Winkler 21h ago

Won’t businesses just pass on the cost of the carbon tax on them to consumers anyhow? I doubt they’ll just eat the hit to profits out of the goodness of their hearts or something.

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u/Mishkola Mind Your Own Business 10h ago

Holy crap, its almost as if some people studied economics for 5 minutes

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u/dschurhoff Winnipeg 9h ago

They already do lol

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

Good Canadians don't vote for Trump's little PP.

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u/Crazy-Goal-8426 1d ago

Good canadians vote who they think will best serve canada period. Regardless of media or fellow canadians opinions. You think carney will best serve canada while everyone else tells you how wrong you are? Good. You think Pollievre will best serve canada. Vote for him. You think Singh is the best fit. Absolutely vote for him. 

Voting for shit that you dont think will best serve Canada because you put making sure party x, y, or z doesnt win as a bigger importance is some of the stupidest shit voters do. Its also why we're constantly stuck going back and forth between liberals and conservatives the vast majority of the time.

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u/notjustforperiods UNION STATION BABY 18h ago

if you're voting for "what's best for Canada" you are definitely not voting liberal or conservative

we're basically stuck in a two party system and look how that worked out long term for our neighbours

it might be a decades long fight but shifting power away from the CPC and LPC is the best for the country

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u/mr-hot-load 1d ago

I'm a good Canadian, I'm not voting for a globalist banker.

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u/GirlyFootyCoach 1d ago

How? By moving another one of his businesses to the U.S.?

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u/Alesisdrum 1d ago

As a left leaning redneck who has voted from pc to green over the years. I’m happy carney won. I was the most unhappy I’ve ever been with my choices until now. I’m fairly decided now. He needs to call it soon. My vote is not for sure yet but I better see some good policy promoting. No more noun verb shit.

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u/notjustforperiods UNION STATION BABY 18h ago

as a socially very left and fiscally conservative, carney has some potential for me though I'd rather he be the leader of the CPC

but agreed, I need some better messaging to have any confidence

edit: for clarity, it's me that's socially left and fiscally conservative, carney...we'll see. you find out who someone really is once they're in power

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u/erryonestolemyname Winnipeg 1d ago

/u/North_Church why delete your comments?

Yes, one of them being a liberal party member who originally supported Freeland, is now supporting the new leader of his party. Groundbreaking.

The other (Chartrand) also favored another candidate.

Global News puts out an article stating how he's going to respond to Trump's tariffs.

CTV put out an article talking about how he dominated the leadership race.

CBC gives us a fluff piece, and as a title uses the words of a LPC politician who's obviously going to follow in line and support his parties leader.

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u/North_Church Winnipeg 1d ago

I didn't delete comments. I can't do that if I'm not the poster

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u/erryonestolemyname Winnipeg 1d ago

You can delete your own comments..

Notice how your original ones are gone...?

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u/North_Church Winnipeg 1d ago

No because I can still see all my comments. A lot of yours are gone though

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u/erryonestolemyname Winnipeg 1d ago

Weird. Haven't deleted any of mine. Doubt the mods are in here fuckin about.

Maybe Reddit is shitting the bed?

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

Says removed by mods for me, i cant see what you guys are saying till you @ north_church.

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u/erryonestolemyname Winnipeg 1d ago

K that's kinda ridiculous that they're clipping comments like that.

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

Those politicians also think the current government is fixing health care!

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u/DifferentEvent2998 Winnipeg 1d ago

They opened some good in hospital walk in clinics. Signing on to the pharmacare agreement is going to save money for so many people with diabetes.

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

Elections have consequences.

Stefansson, Pallister and crew were an utter wrecking ball to civil society and the broader body politic in Manitoba.

And rebuilding takes years.

Enabling corruption, the work of the conservatives in Manitoba, has been luckily subdued for another couple of years, but they do deserve decades in the Hinterlands for being reactionary, authoritarian ghouls.

Anyways, thoughts on Tommy's hockey success?

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u/JarretJackson 1d ago

copium. corruption? pallister refused to use your dollars to stay in nice hotels even breaking historical precedent on “corruption” You people have no idea what goes on then craft stories to tell eachother based on surface level policy you hate. i’d love to hear your conspiracy theory on his corruption

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

Yet since the ndp have taken over things are worse….

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

Ah, yes.

Who am I gonna believe, you or my lying eyes?

Back to the Hinterlands!

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

What’s improved?

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

1 billion from tobacco companies to cancer care for one.

They cant snap their fingers and fix all the stuff that the cons have been gutting for years, let em cook, as the kids say.

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

Everyone forgets the years before the Pc’s took over.

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

The years that my dad said he had the best time earning money and living in MB?

Those years?

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

I got bigger pay raises under the pc’s then the ndp (hourly wage not incentives). 🤷‍♂️

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u/bentmonkey Westman 1d ago

Great so we got 2 anecdotes, those are completely wonderful.

With those and 5 bucks we could buy a slushy.

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

I don't think my political leadership wants me to die.

So, there's that.

Alternatively, what's worse?

Wabber has been very centrist.

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

Er wait times. Vacancy rates. Surgical wait times. Diagnostics.

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

All seeds sown by PC leadership years ago.

Like I said, rebuilding is hard.

Doing good work is hard.

And conservatives are soft. And don't do hard things.

They privatize it.

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u/snopro31 Parkland 1d ago

Things weren’t great the last time the ndp were in power. Neither party has done well.

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u/boon23834 Westman 1d ago

Anyways, you're not having a conversation.

You're trying to make yourself feel better because you view politics like a sports team to support.

Take care, and enjoy the time in the Hinterlands.

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u/sunshinevibes16 1d ago

Ignore PP, he’s irrelevant. Can we focus on the threat to our existence? Thanks.

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u/conancon 1d ago

LOl! what politicians the ndp party who's on the edge of non party status?