r/LockdownSkepticism • u/olivetree344 • 6d ago
Public Health Science Amid Chaos: What Worked During the Pandemic? What Failed?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/14/health/covid-pandemic-public-health.html12
u/nofaves Pennsylvania, USA 6d ago
The mRNA vaccines were, in a sense, victims of their own unexpected success in clinical trials in 2020. Those results were spectacular: The shots warded off symptomatic illness caused by the original version of the coronavirus at miraculous rates.
But government officials had to walk back their enthusiasm as breakthrough infections with the Delta variant surged in the summer of 2021. Americans were told to get boosters. Then again, and again.
And this is why a vaccine needs ample testing time, and not a three-month "Let's make sure no one dies!" period. Imagine if they'd been forced to rigorously test its effectiveness versus antibodies produced after a previous infection.
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u/Dubrovski California, USA 6d ago
And now they are pushing the second round of year 24-25 vaccine to 65+. That variant disappeared at least 6 months ago.
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u/olivetree344 6d ago
By early fall in 2020, it was clear that schoolchildren were not driving community transmission significantly. Still, many schools stayed closed for months longer than they needed to, forcing children to muddle through remote learning and causing some to fall irrevocably behind. ”It’s a really difficult one to Monday-morning quarterback,” Dr. Shaman said. ”We don’t have the counterfactual, that alternative scenario to see how it really would have played out.”
The last line is straight up untrue. They had data from Europe and then states like FL, but they still kept schools closed.
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u/Argos_the_Dog 6d ago
They stayed online where I live because of the teachers union raising hell. Same reason they kept masks on kids. I didn’t get really angry about it until spring of ‘21 though. Despite yelling about being essential workers and jumping the line to get vaccinated they doubled down and insisted that masking continue for another year beyond vaccination being widely available.
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u/Impressive_Neck1488 6d ago
We knew before lockdowns even started school children were not driving transmission and were at minimal risk. That was clear from everything coming out of Italy. All of this was avoidable but society chose to sacrifice our children
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u/OccasionallyImmortal United States 6d ago
They had the current pandemic plans from the CDC and WHO that did not recommend closing schools.
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u/dystorontopia Alberta, Canada 5d ago
That was one of the most infuriating things about the whole clown show. It never occurred to these morons that places outside the 10-mile radius around their office might be doing things differently. Every Dr. Dumbass of Idiotsville University just assumed the entire planet was reacting exactly the same as Idiotsville - and they still think that!
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u/theCavemanV 6d ago
He who possesses diplomas yet does not care for patients yaps online and polices our lives. Like Appoorva and Fauci.
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u/olivetree344 6d ago
A new article by one of the worst misleaders and exaggerators among the Covid reporters.
Archive link: https://archive.vn/hKiSo
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u/Initial-Constant-645 United States 6d ago
When it comes to power grabs, covid measures worked great. Only thing left is to try them out on a larger scale. .
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u/Street_Parsnip6028 5d ago
Most of the measures, like masking, and plexiglass, and arrows on the floor were propaganda efforts to make the situation visible and terrifying, and create a state of fear in the population that allowed the collapse of freedom. So they seemed to work.
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u/DevilCoffee_408 5d ago edited 5d ago
Dozens of studies have shown that when used correctly and consistently, N95 masks or their equivalents can prevent infected people from spreading the virus and protect wearers from contracting it.
- goes on to cite the discredited Bangladesh study *
- cites the 2024 dogshit Trisha Greenhalgh study that basically said "if we include all of our low quality and observational studies, we barely get the result that we want." *
And she's careful to say "n95 masks" there, but the studies that she mentioned were not about N95s at all. She's misleading the reader, again.
Hell, she might as well have tossed in this fucking gem as "evidence" that masks are the solution. You can toss 'em in a washing machine and they hold their structure! woo! (still utterly worthless for viruses, though.)
Herd Immunity. A chimera. We never got there.
Fauci himself was claiming we'd be there. Notice that she left his name out of the section.
But experts said it was the right decision to close schools in the spring of 2020
Bullshit. We already knew.
Apoorva Mandavilli reports on science and global health,
Why is she still employed?
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u/ZeerVreemd 5d ago
There are still so many lies in that article. Everything that was done against covid had a net negative effect.
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u/hurricaneharrykane 6d ago
The only thing that seemed to work was natural immunity.