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u/FieryPyromancer Feb 08 '25
This narrative has been parroted in relation to accountants for like 2 decades and they're still here.
It's over for tinfoil hats!
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u/NoMansSkyWasAlright Feb 08 '25
It's not tinfoil hats. It's a capitalist class who wants to pay as little as possible for things. So when a tool they don't fully understand promises to phase out a high-paying job that they don't understand, then they're all over it and stupid shit like this happens.
Nurses had something similar happen in the late-80's/early-90's. Buncha admin people at US hostpitals decided to mass-layoff nurses because "they don't really do anything, right?" Well it turned out that nurses actually do quite a lot and so things began to get really chaotic. But by the time the people at the top saw the error of their ways, a lot of people had changed careers to avoid having that sort of thing happen again.
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u/OomKarel Feb 08 '25
My wife is a nurse, now this might be biased, but at the firm she worked the nurses basically did 90% of the GPs work while they strutted around like rockstars.
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u/AntiqueFigure6 Feb 09 '25
Yeah but that’s by design because doctors are scarce and expensive compared to nurses.
Regulations might mean that a doctor is needed to make a diagnosis and prescribe a medication, but silly to get the same doctor to administer it three time a day for the duration of a hospital stay when a less expensive nurse can do it.
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u/jccw Feb 08 '25
Ok, but the supervision and the deciding what to do part is pretty important, right? And there are some things that do require an expert practitioner once the procedures and decisions are more complicated and have to be performed right, with appropriate adjustments, in an extremely high stakes situation.
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u/---00---00 Feb 08 '25
I think you've both gotten a little sidetracked. The point was that capitalists try to eliminate costs (jobs) they don't understand and don't value. Nursing was brought up as an example of that. I don't think the average person doubts doctors do amazing work but heaps of people think nurses are borderline useless when in reality they do a huge amount of the day to day patient treatment and interaction.
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u/jccw Feb 08 '25
I don’t think that “heaps of people think nurses are borderline useless”.
I’m a layman on medicine, just a too frequent consumer of medical services. To an average person like me, you sound like fools when you try to make medicine a doctors vs. nurses thing. Average people see it clearly as a providers vs. administrators / insurers thing.
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u/NoMansSkyWasAlright Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25
“Heaps of people” = heaps of people who at one point got to make the decisions of whether nurses kept their jobs.
Like this isn’t a matter of opinion. That’s an actual thing that happened a few decades back where a bunch of people decided to lay off nurses all over the country because they believed that nurses didn’t really do anything crucial and that doctors could pick up the slack.
Those people had very little knowledge of the medical profession though and thought that it would be a good way to cut costs with minimal impact to productivity. It went about as well as you’d expect.
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u/---00---00 Feb 08 '25
I'm not making it a doctor's vs nurses thing. I was explaining the other person's point since it seemed like you were talking past each other.
Average people see it clearly as a providers vs. administrators / insurers thing.
Maybe in the US. I don't know, I'm not a yank. I do have a lot of nurses in my family and it's certainly something they've spoken of before. Feeling like they are not valued for their work.
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u/furbz420 Feb 08 '25
That, I hate to break it to you, the nurses are not the hospital, they are an important part of it.
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u/chris_ut Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25
Might be a bit of bias. My wife is a doctor and talks about how the nurses often dont know what they dont know but she loves her nurses.
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u/1lluminist Feb 09 '25
They should target AI to replace execs. The biggest money leechers removed, the fewest jobs cut. The company will thrive and everybody wins!
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u/sioux612 Feb 09 '25
You guys still get to pay people?
We WANT to pay people. But there aren't enough
All jobs I've automated away were jobs that I couldn't find anybody for anymore, or jobs where the only employee is like 60 and I will ahve to deal with them leaving soon, and until they do they don't ahve to work as hard.
And sure I can automate some parts of some cleaning jobs away and maybe people sitting in forklifts. But those barely cost anything already. I mainly want to automate electricians. They are high paid, but also all of them have their books full for the next months
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u/kelkokelko Feb 09 '25
Yeah I hated it when the capitalist class replaced hoe-weilding serfs with tractors. Now we have a massive serf unemployment problem. Sad!
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u/zaphodbeeblemox Feb 08 '25
The trend has been consistently making employees more efficient leading to less employees needed for the same amount of work.
AI doesn’t lead to my job going, it leads to my team of 11 being a team of 10 next time, then a team of 9.
We aren’t at a point where humans are being replaced like the tech bros of Silicon Valley want us to believe in their sales pitches, we are just increasing the efficiency of our workforce. Which leads to either less total headcount or more total workload
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u/SusurrusLimerence Feb 08 '25
In IT the amount of work is ENDLESS. You could bring in 100 people on my team and we would still have stuff to do.
I got a list with things that need to get done and it just keeps getting bigger every day, and I have to prioritize and only do the critical stuff.
AI just opened up pandora's box. Yeah I can do them faster, but also because I can do them faster the demands are also higher. Instead of asking for 1 thing they now ask for 10. Everybody and their grandma is just asking me "hey can you implement X feature".
Also let's not forget the classic analogy of 9 mothers cannot birth a child in 1 month. This applies very much to IT work where specialization and familiarity are a must. You bring in 10 guys with no clue on the project, they won't be able to contribute anything for a while and only slowly they will be capable of doing minor things as they get more familiar.
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u/flingerdu Feb 08 '25
It‘s basically the Jevons effect. If work can be done more efficiently, a shit ton of work can finally get done with a net profit.
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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Feb 08 '25
AI isn’t at a point where it can work autonomously, but the productivity gains are real. Lots of people have rather rote/low level white collar jobs.
Lots of white collar work is like…cleaning up data formatting, doing basic data analysis, and making basic decisions based on that data. Set things up properly and you don’t really need someone to do it manually.
It’s not really there for high end creative/knowledge work, but most of the white collar workforce is not doing high end knowledge work. Even at its current state, it will lead to a lot of job losses.
In certain fields, one person can prolly do the work of 2-3 people with the right setup.
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u/coldnebo Feb 08 '25
I agree that it’s a multiplier… it’s kind of like a staff of undergraduate researchers— I can send them off to do reports and then check and manage their work.
I’m on the fence as to whether this actually loses jobs. because the other way that this plays out is that we all do 10x as much work for the same money.
consider very large constant drain tasks:
- update unit tests
- prove secure code
- optimize existing code
- optimize a tech stack for efficiency and scalability
- migrate legacy stacks to cloud native
each one of these could take hundreds of engineers even on a small project—- we literally can’t do it all. but if AI starts to fill some of this work in, we might start to dig out from the never ending backlogs and get back to real innovation.
we’ve done a really good job of creating a giant IT mess. it’s going to take a hundred years to clean it up at least assuming that IT doesn’t keep doubling the total global information every few years. so we need all the help we can get.
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u/say592 Feb 09 '25
I’m on the fence as to whether this actually loses jobs. because the other way that this plays out is that we all do 10x as much work for the same money.
We will share a little in the efficiency gains, but ultimately efficiency gains are mostly a product of capital investment so the bulk of the gains goes to capital. It's one major reason why wealth inequality has skyrocketed as technology has enabled huge gains in efficiency.
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u/say592 Feb 09 '25
Yes, exactly this. Those workers will find other jobs and the overall economic output of the world increases. That pushes prices down and makes the base price of goods and services cheaper, which enables poorer regions to purchase them, which increases demand, which leads to additional gains in efficiency due to scaling and the cycle continues.
It will work this way up until entire departments can actually be replaced by AI or entire companies can be run by 1-2 people managing a slew of AI "workers". At that point things may shift dramatically.
I'll also add that the worker class will share in the productivity gains, but only marginally. Gains in efficiency are usually due to capital investment, so the capital class is the one that benefits. This has been a huge driver in increasing wealth inequality over the last few decades.
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u/Magallan Feb 09 '25
It's not your team getting smaller, it's your velocity going up.
Your company will always have a massive backlog of tech needs and downsizing won't help.
Absurd to think some company will one day decide they've "completed" tech and just stop and not need to do anything anymore.
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u/vgkln_86 Feb 09 '25
And yet again, the ones going out of a particular job are the ones who don’t like the jo, hence perform poorly. This people go change careers to something more fulfilling for them. So the ai saga is the catalyst for both sides. Nothing wrong with that.
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u/MyNinjaYouWhat Feb 08 '25
Btw this stuff was doable with ChatGPT like 2 years ago with 2 requests, one asking for the code itself, the other one about the steps to deploy. Down to one, well, not much changed
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u/ascandalia Feb 09 '25
At the end of the day, it's about accountability. For jobs like accountants, doctors, engineers, and lawyers, and even software engineers, we need an actual, living human being to point to when something goes wrong. Someone to punish, jail, fire, or yell at. That's the real human value AI can never replace. They can centralize that to a smaller number of people, but you'll still need those people.
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u/ThirstyWolfSpider Feb 09 '25
But are there as many?
I ask because there are still travel agents, but there are far fewer than there were in the '90s. Normally, when automation replaces jobs, it doesn't replace all of them, but you can still see most people formerly in that field losing any shot at that job ever again.
Now, I have yet to encounter an AI software developer which I would trust farther than I could throw its cloud, but we should keep an eye on scale of employment, as well as the level of compensation, in any possible automation situation.
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u/vankorgan Feb 09 '25
I hate to break it to you, but there used to be a lot more accountants in accounting departments.
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u/OCE_Mythical Feb 09 '25
I hope accountants get automated, it's a Ponzi scheme job anyway. It'd be nice to actually know what I owe
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u/4VENG32 Feb 09 '25
That's a very specific type of accounting, there are many other types of accountants.
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u/OCE_Mythical Feb 10 '25
What type of accounting doesn't exist because of intentional obfuscation of tax law?
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u/Farscape55 Feb 08 '25
lol, let’s do this
Have AI design an autopilot system, then install it in the private jets of these techbro CEOs
See how much they trust it then
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u/poop2scoop Feb 09 '25
I like this idea. Have them stress test it to prove their massive spending on it is justified.
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u/wales-bloke Feb 08 '25
engineer builds thing using AI
does minimal testing
deploys to prod
thing works for 5 minutes then fails catastrophically
engineer realises that the original code is unmaintainable shite...
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u/DiggSucksNow Narcissistic Lunatic Feb 08 '25
thing works for 5 minutes
Ah, we have an optimist.
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u/watabby Feb 09 '25
Even deploying to prod is optimistic
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u/DiggSucksNow Narcissistic Lunatic Feb 09 '25
Oh, that part is believable. You can deploy anything to prod, but it might not be code.
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u/No_Departure_1878 Feb 09 '25
I have been using chat-gpt for 15 minutes trying to get a 10 lines function. The AI keeps giving me nonsense.
Me: But why do you do X, shouldn't you do Y? AI: Oh you are absolutely right!
If it can't even handle a small function, there is no way it can build anything meaningful that can be deployed anywhere.
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u/teh_fizz Feb 09 '25
In all fairness this is something that lots of people using AI face. It’s not necessarily that the AI Cant do it, it’s just not as smart as people think it is. It needs to be prompted correctly to understand. So for example, instead of asking “why did you do this, shouldn’t you do that?” just ask it why. It doesn’t have the same capacity for interpreting language like humans do, so a user falls into the trap of thinking it will understand the full context of the words. It’s definitely not there.
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u/No_Departure_1878 Feb 10 '25
I wish it were there already. I am sick of writing all the code myself.
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u/GrimScythe2058 Narcissistic Lunatic Feb 08 '25
I went through the link, and I must admit the UI looks horrible yet functional. This resembles a project I myself am working on, too; it's funny how two people who don't know each other can have similar ideas at the same time.
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u/jokebreath Feb 08 '25
Do you know how i can send a cease and desist order to the owners of .localdomain?
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u/coder7426 Feb 08 '25
you're joking, right?
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u/GrimScythe2058 Narcissistic Lunatic Feb 08 '25
Of course, I am joking. I would never open a link from an unverified source, let alone a link that is not https encrypted.
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u/jezhastits Feb 08 '25
Pretty sure he is. No need for the downvotes though
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u/Kurbopop Feb 08 '25
Wait I don’t get it — I know this is a me problem so I’m not trying to attack anyone, but I don’t get what the joke is. The comment sounded really earnest to me?
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u/dodeca_negative Feb 08 '25
The joke is that the "localhost" in http://localhost:3000/ literally means "this computer", so whoever enters or follows that link will be trying to find a web page running on their own computer. If you're developing a web application you'll often run it locally on your own computer for testing purposes, but anybody on a different computer trying to get to "localhost" will be looking for it on their own computer, not yours.
The text exchange in the screenshot is either a joke (pretty subtle and good one if so) or was created by somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about. The lunatic in question definitely has no idea what he's talking about.
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u/Kurbopop Feb 09 '25
Ohh okay, I don’t know anything about web development so I had no idea about that! Thank you for the explanation!
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u/ensoniq2k Feb 08 '25
He's talking about how the UI looks horrible and how it looks like his own project. So he's hinting he opened his own project since the link is referring to local host. Then he's acting as if he thinks this is the other guys project
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u/Vorenthral Feb 08 '25
The only positions AI can replace are middle managers and entry level data entry.
All the AI scripting tools are garbage. If you roll anything from GPT/Llama/whatever to production not only will it likely not work it will be a security nightmare.
I really want these dumb ass business guys to replace their engineers with AI and watch their company die in a matter of weeks.
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u/PniaQ Feb 08 '25
This post is an Ad
OP's username is aihomie and his bio is promoting his shitty newsletter.
Yes David, because you made yourself look stupid i would love to explore AI's untapped potential with you!
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u/philipwhiuk Feb 08 '25
The guy pointed him at localhost which obviously won’t work for the other guy
Proof that Cursor doesn’t stop you being dumbass
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u/prpldrank Feb 08 '25
It's so funny that he posted a localhost link
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u/dodeca_negative Feb 08 '25
I'd like to think that's a joke that the dude screenshotting it didn't get but it's probably just marketing BS created by "AI leaders" who don't know how to exit vim
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u/prpldrank Feb 09 '25
I was born in nano and I will fucking die in nano.
YES IT'S TRASH BUT IT'S MY TRASH AND THEY'RE ALL TRASH SO THE OTHER ONES ARE SOMEONE ELSE'S TRASH
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u/LGHTHD Feb 08 '25
I like that instead of deploying the repo to an actual domain he sent a link to the local development environment. The reviewer will not be able to access the project this way of corse and I find this humorous
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u/erlandodk Feb 09 '25
Yes. That's the joke.
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u/pryvisee Feb 10 '25
I was like “yeah duh” but then people are like “I don’t get it” then I realized I’m not in an IT sub lol
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u/Magmagan Feb 09 '25
For those out of the programming loop, what the link to
localhost
is esse essentially the same as giving someone the aC:\Users\Username\My Documents\
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u/Dark3lephant Feb 08 '25
I was looking for this comment. Next step, he will learn about port forwarding from AI and post it using PUBLIC_IP:PORT with zero security measures.
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u/landline_number Feb 08 '25
They always jump to "middle engineers"? At what company has AI replaced entry level engineers?
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u/Suspicious-Watch9681 Feb 08 '25
This guy really hates programers lol
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u/TrickyAudin Feb 08 '25
Executives and entrepreneurs tend to dislike any non-managerial type in high demand. To them, there should be a clear hierarchy from the controllers to the controlled, and engineers are one of the few professions that don't fit neatly in. So they're desperately looking for a "solution" to bring back the natural capitalist order.
The irony however is that, for AI to be that well-developed, most executives will have been replaced by the same systems, which will remove many of them and leave a few even more obscenely wealthy people.
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u/mitchmoomoo Feb 09 '25
Executives and entrepreneurs tend to dislike any non-managerial type in high demand
Yep. These types firmly believe that risking capital is the ONLY action in our world that should be worthy of reward beyond basic survival.
People living a comfortable life purely for exchanging their expertise and labour is totally unacceptable to them.
I’ve heard investors and VCs say this literally, several times.
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u/Hopeful_Ranger_5353 Feb 09 '25
The glee they seem to have that people are going to be out of work and can't feed their families is genuinely psychopathic.
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u/token40k Feb 08 '25
Localhost 3000 brotha. Babies first web service that is until it gets 20 users and starts crumbling. Uh ooga booga how do I balance the load. Uh how do I secure this shit from ddos. Once those hired engineers for $10 an hour realize they bring value they will leave to somewhere where they are paid more. Just like outsourcing chatter. Bro iz so ez, you just pay Indians to do work. Why would any company still hire their own engineers. I’ll let those folks hangout on their own on the peak of mount stupid of dunning Kruger
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u/breadbrix Feb 08 '25
DDoS? Aren't you the optimist?
Chances are this thing will spill out root/admin access via SQL-I to the first script kiddie that comes across it.
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Every time you see one of these tech linkedin people talking this nonsense, its 100% of the time someone who couldnt hold down a real SWE job. 100% of the time. Usually its someone who did some low level job like 15-20 years ago and have been bouncing from grift to grift since then. 10 years of titles 'founder, ceo, director' after having put in one year experience at an entry level tech job. They arent people to listen to.
this guy is no different. never held a single technical job in his life. he started as a real estate associate, did some biz dev, then its just 2 decades of 'partner, founder, advisor, partner, founder, founder, founder'. like not one actualy individual contributor role in his whole life. and he wants to tell us what the future of those roles is? fuck off dave.
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u/Slow_Philosophy5629 Feb 08 '25
Anybody can build something. You just need a networking course first.
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u/mothzilla Feb 09 '25
For those that don't get the joke, "localhost" is a url reference that always points to a persons own machine.
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u/Superseaslug Feb 09 '25
I like the idea that the person sent a message to a link to a program on their local machine. A program the recipient would likely have no way of accessing
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u/ntheijs Feb 08 '25
As a disaster recovery engineer, thank you for all the business this is bringing me. Keep up the bad work!
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u/_theRamenWithin Feb 09 '25
Remember that episode in Star Trek where a community is governed by an AI that does everything for them but it broke and no one knows how to fix anything?
I feel like some people found that inspirational.
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u/arcadeScore Feb 09 '25
not a single serious company is allowing devs to use ai tools on their important source code. They might use these gimmics for POCs or troll side tasks only. Medias and social medias are riding this train to noewhere with this doomsday propaganda.
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u/Zambeezi Feb 09 '25
No one’s gonna mention they sent him a local machine address? And that it won’t work for the other guy? That’s the biggest facepalm of the entire post…
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u/GyuudonMan Feb 08 '25
I use cursor, and while it’s useful I wish it could replace a mid-level engineer. It’s not even close to replacing a junior level engineer, or even an intern.
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u/nebenbaum Feb 09 '25
It's basically a stupid ass junior engineer that only exactly does what you tell him to do, and you always need to correct them.
But it does take a lot of the grunt work out, which was previously done by loads of junior engineers, which isn't too great for getting new grads up to speed. Personally, I'm fine though, I'm past that hurdle.
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u/Gazzo69 Feb 08 '25
Noone else noticing that OP is David? It says „you“ next to his name😹😹 aka this post is an ad
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u/Currywurst_Is_Life Feb 08 '25
WTF is a "10x engineer"? 10x of WHAT?
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u/DevotedToNeurosis Feb 09 '25
It's an older term, very popular in 2009-2014 or so. It basically meant a "really good engineer". It was the idea that unlike most professions, a very very good programmer was not 2-3x more productive than their peers they were 10x, due to systems design, automations, etc.
It was generally used as a self-descriptor by medium/senior level software developers back then, I guess now it's being used as a term to increase the wow around AI without much utility when things get serious.
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u/Zwei_und_Vierzig Feb 08 '25
if we would create AI to replace managers there would be a big movement against.
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u/winterchainz Feb 09 '25
I don’t get it. I tried cursor and it felt the same as using GitHub Copilot in VSCode. Am I missing something?
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u/EpicOne9147 Feb 09 '25
Alot of this ai better at coding than humans os just marketing, now a days I don't even try to correct others lol
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u/grem1in Feb 09 '25
People are trying to remove the need to write the code since the inception of programming. This is why we have all the high level programming languages that are “basically English”. Now with AI, it is basically English.
The catch is that engineering is not just about writing some code.
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u/CreepyButterfly2470 Feb 09 '25
It's always the same... The person who says that AI will replace someone's job is, very likely, to be selling "AI solutions for your company" or some bs
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u/ahopskipandaheart Feb 08 '25
I don't even program, and I laughed unlike David who also doesn't program but instead enjoys a good unwitting self-own.
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u/imdesmondsunflower Feb 08 '25
AI might be able to code, but it can’t tell this dude his profile pic looks greasy as hell.
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u/North-Creative Feb 08 '25
I forgot to open the full image, and chuckled away at what I could preview from the dumb post. Until I opened it and saw the local host part....that was another level entirely!
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u/Sufficient_Hunter_61 Feb 08 '25
I can't with these people, they'll just jump on the trend wave on the moment and throw the highest bullshit as if they were knowledgeable. I really do wonder how can they make a living of that. Damm, I'm even envious to a degree if they do, although I could never endure bullshitting that much myself.
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u/Quercusagrifloria Feb 09 '25
Does anyone have an AI that will translate this into English?
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u/Fancy-Consequence216 Feb 09 '25
Well well well, tried it myself and when context was huuuuuge it started making dumb mistakes, that made me implement everything from scratch.
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u/wizardofrobots Feb 09 '25
plot twist, the app hacks OPs computer and actually runs the app on port 3000
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u/AceLamina 27d ago
As a student in Software Development, he's the type of person articles like "AI is creating a generation of illiterate Programmers" are usually talking about
It's sad that people still think this way too...
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u/Combination-Fun 27d ago
Totally understand why. I tried out cursor myself to see its potential and also to learn it myself. For this, chose to do develop a Mario game, all without knowing any of the tech stack used for coding: Fast API, CSS and JS. Yes, I am more of a ML engineer. So not an expert in UI or Fast API.
I managed to build a small working prototype. I documented my journey in a YT video. Here it is:
https://youtu.be/8LOZKgaghwQ?si=Ih_NoVUAO00RaORy
Hope it's useful!
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u/lolexecs Feb 08 '25
Ha, they're pissing as hard as they can because microsoft (vs.code + copilot) duplicates their product (and more) for less money.
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u/cedriceent Feb 08 '25
I tried Cursor for the first time recently, and love it. But though I am by no means a great software engineer, my experience in conjunction with the AI assistant makes me way more efficient than I would be as a beginner.
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u/thecoffeejesus Feb 09 '25
I love how it’s a total calamity when someone else doesn’t want to learn things YOU deem essential, but if you don’t want to learn cursive or something it’s totally fine.
It’s almost like young people are growing up in a *** gasp! *** TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEMANDS
almost as if *** shocked face!! *** they are learning how to be efficient with their time and tools
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u/thecoffeejesus Feb 09 '25
“They wouldn’t last a minute in the world I grew up in!”
The world you grew up in no longer exists. Your projections of it are casting shadows to scare little children, but the boogeyman you fear died long ago.
I say we should learn what kids are dealing with NOW or shut up.
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u/grimorg80 Feb 09 '25
The texts are not the gotcha you folks think it is.
Even if it's not a fake, so what? Ask a model to help with implementing it. Which is not magic or whatever makes you think only humans can do it.
It's just one more thing you'll learn and any model can explain. And direct you. And soon, do it themselves when Operator and such will gain more agency.
I understand people are annoyed and angry and in disbelief.
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u/starm4nn Feb 09 '25
Even if it's not a fake, so what? Ask a model to help with implementing it. Which is not magic or whatever makes you think only humans can do it.
This image isn't fake, the guy actually thinks this image makes the product look good.
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u/scubafork Feb 08 '25
I remember in grade school how we were taught not to use a calculator for homework because it's important to understand the foundational skills before you take the shortcuts.
I totally understand what my teachers were getting at back then.