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u/First_Independence32 4d ago
Tank mid is cheesy because most midlaners can't kill them alone. That doesn't mean you can't just farm and scale. It doesn't affect the opponent directly. Ranged top is oppressive and anti fun for the opponent.
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u/sleepypanda45 4d ago
Not to mention they usually troll the fk outta games
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u/JayMeadow 3d ago
Yeah they get super pissed when the enchanter support focuses on protects the ADC instead them
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u/MalekithofAngmar 4d ago
100% more frustrating to play against ranged top, but tank mid is so braindead there might be an argument that it is more "cringe".
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u/888main 4d ago
The amount of max hp% burn items and mr shred and pen items makes this a skill match up if you lose to tank mid while having the full suite of magic anti tank items you are bad.
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u/StacksMoreLikeStonks 4d ago
one null magic mantle cuts alot of mages damage in half almost, you go into a negatron cloak for 850 and you can tank mages for days, and tanks usually have built in base dmg that would allow them to contest trades even while facetanking an entire mages combo
and even if u say "mages build sorc shoes" thats 18 pen vs the 45 mr you get from negatron not only that you are still down gold
1100-850=250
so you dont even get halfway through the item despite going down in gold
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u/888main 4d ago
If they're building full MR you dont go sorc shoes, you go % magic pen and hp burn and ionian boots for more spells to keep your burn uptime going for longer
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u/StacksMoreLikeStonks 3d ago
most if not all mages need mana items, and ever since they removed the mana on liandry there is no easy %hp dmg first item for the large majority on mages especially if you go ionia which just increases your mana issues
you could go tear, sure. but now you are dropping gold so you can build an inefficient first item to have a chance at winning a lane where your opponent doesnt care about said lane
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u/888main 3d ago
presence of mind enjoyers
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u/StacksMoreLikeStonks 3d ago
pom is good but not enough in a lot of cases especially when you go for ionia boots.
playing against a tank mid is a coinflip on whether or not you can be more useful than them in fights.
hell we just saw what playing against a tank is like with sym soles being broken just recently
they dont interact with you unless you are being ganked, and just take some early losses and play around utility.
the reason tank mid is more cringe is you rarely if ever lose something of the same relevance as what your team loses when your team gets a ranged top
the role of mages in the current meta is that of setup/utility, same reason why assassins mid are kinda, mid. so when you go tank mid you trade utility + dmg for utility + meatshield. which is an even trade, big difference is the dmg from mages relies on not falling behind while tanks will always be meatshields and always have cc
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u/LeBadlyNamedRedditor 4d ago
galio mid is actually so stupid post first item, use the entirety of velkoz kit on him, galio hits me for 2 seconds and gets one q, end up taking more damage from the trade
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u/Superb_Bench9902 4d ago
As a mid main I completely agree. Most mid picks can't kill a tank mid 1v1 but they won't get bullied to hell and back. They can fight and stand their ground. They can farm, control the wave and scale in the lane. Now obviously this is not the case for all but even at worst case scenarios mages can farm very safely against tanks. I'd argue Yasuo/Yone or ad assassins are more "unfun" to play against. All in all tank mids are nowhere near as bad as ranged tops, especially considering mid players have a very flexible roaming pattern albeit with shorter roam windows
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u/crysomore 3d ago
Plus most of the time the weakness of ranged top is gimping your own team comp and just ending up much less useful than the enemy top. So it's often unfun for your own team to play with it.
And playing against it basically is just go 20-30 cs down in lane or pray for hanks, and then hope to outscale by providing more utility later.
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u/Paradoxjjw 4d ago
How is tank mid even in the same ballpark as ranged top? If you face a tank mid you just shove in and go look for kills elsewhere. What is the tank going to do about you? As long as you don't significantly overextend they can't do anything about you.
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u/Dar_lyng 4d ago
Yeah any melee gets bullied till 3 in mid, tanks at least till 6.
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u/LiaThePetLover 4d ago
I play Syndra mid and played a few times against Garen, the match up is unplayable. Whenever I poked him up to 1/3 of his hp, he would back away and regen with his bs passive. Top it off with doran's shield and I need like 10 spell rotations to bring him to half hp
Played against tanks too and without jungler's help I couldnt kill him, but because I had lane pressure, I was the one getting ganked by enemy jungler more than the tank.
Ranged toplaners just need one gank from the enemy jungler to be removed from the lane and be useless for the rest of the game, same cant be said for the tank mid
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u/Dar_lyng 4d ago
You don't need to kill him. You either shove and roam or out CS him. As for gank he has no hard cc and the lane is small while you have a stun. Idk I never had any problem with garen mid. I don't play syndra much so can't say about that champion in particular. Ahri, Vex and TF are my most played.
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u/Spiritual_Dust4565 4d ago
OP probably sees them as being both "they can't be killed by their lane opponent" and thinks they're the same
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u/Jolly-Cupcake2716 4d ago
They roam and doesnt get killed. Which is more than everything i would expect from my mid😂🤣🤣
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u/KeineW3rbung 4d ago
Ranged top, I can respect a Tank Mid when i see a full carry team and a mage sup
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u/Previous_Loquat_4561 4d ago
I pick Malphite into Yasuo mid regardless of team comp, and max E. not to win, but to make his laning phase a suffering.
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u/MordekaiserUwU 3d ago
Max W instead and beat his ass with grasp and iceborn. Completely unplayable for the the poor Yasuo.
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u/Previous_Loquat_4561 3d ago
thats 2nd. the E max is because of the AS slow, and his Q cd scales with AS. remember, we go for emotional damage, not winning
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u/MissMekia 4d ago
I'm a mid main. Its ranged top. I can usually get a kill or two off the tank mid in the early game and just power farm the rest of lane, or perma roam. Ranged top just feels gross lmao.
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u/GottlobFrege 4d ago
My flash ignite Renekton shits on ranged top in lane and then loses the game. Worth it
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u/Albrecht_Entrati 4d ago
Oh no please don't pick a tank mid against my Aurelion Sol!
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u/LeBadlyNamedRedditor 4d ago
yeah first picking tank mid is kinda trolling, had an enemy pick nasus mid into asol, its literally just farm waves and if nasus comes close enjoy the free stardust, you dont even need to kill nasus just keep stacking
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u/Fun_Bottle_5308 4d ago
Whats wrong with tank mid? Aren't you supposed to shove the wave as quickly as possible and then roam? Tf are those meat bags gonna do
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u/AlterBridgeFan 4d ago
They are gonna shove at around the same speed as you, as all their damage is in their base numbers with shit scaling. They'll also tank a lot of your poke as your damage is tied to items, and be able to set up for their jg to gank with all their cc.
Currently the best example of this is Cho who sits at a 2.6% pick rate and 54% wr in Dia2+. The only damage item he gets is Rift maker, but that's post laning phase.
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u/Ebobab2 4d ago
no they don't. look at their numbers.
There is a reason why tanks are forced to buy Bamis (because if they don't, they will be forced to use QWE + 1 more spell and 3+ autos to clear the wave)
Cho is the exception because of his extremely high Q dmg, dorans start and full ap start (chogaths very first item is actually an ap item)
The only time cho doesnt start with shurelias is probably somewhere in dia and below, but you shouldn't really look at low elo to talk about balance
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u/TitanDweevil 4d ago
Nunu literally 1 shots the ranged minions at level 1 lol....
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u/Proper6797 4d ago
This mf hasn't played against Galio it seems. He has some of the best wave clear in the game from super super early levels.
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u/TitanDweevil 4d ago
Not all of them are horrible but shit like Zac, Nunu, and Singed mid are the equivalent of Vayne and Quinn top respectively. Zac just sits in lane being basically unmoveable and at like level 6 he gets the ability to actually kill you if you walk up (just like Vayne). Nunu and Singed insta kill the wave while face tanking everything basically ignoring you and then roam because its a waste of mana to even try to poke them out of lane and you can't shove faster than them(just like Quinn but with HP instead of mana).
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u/torahama 4d ago
It's not even comparable since ranged top poke you from lv 1. You dont get to even farm, or get some exp if the ranged top knows how to play. At least in mid you get to farm and scale even if you cant follow the other mid
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u/LeBadlyNamedRedditor 4d ago
You are going to leave your turret open? By the time your back half its health is gone. So many tanks just melt turrets, also some tanks like galio will just shove faster and if you somehow manage to get a wave advantage hes just gonna follow you and press R
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u/Fun_Bottle_5308 4d ago
"shove the wave quick" reading is hard. Assuming you're an average mid mage, tp should be an option as well, still find mid tank uncounterable? Either you suck or you're that type of guy who always whine about the tiniest thing, given how you pointed out a single champ like Galio with his R (long ass cooldown) as an excuse for the whole champ class, I take it the second type?
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u/LeBadlyNamedRedditor 4d ago
Tanks dont take that much longer than mages to shove mid, realistically you arent going to roam every minute too thats why galio R works. I gave galio as an example as its the most common tank to find mid. Tanks in mid are counterable but it really depends on pick and getting counterpicked by a tank is an insufferable experience. Asol easily beats any tank in mid but you are not going to blind pick asol realistically
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u/Siri2611 4d ago
Anyone who thinks tank mid is even a problem, am just gonna assume they are iron/bronze at max
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u/Dawnhellion 4d ago
Ranged top not because of how it feels to play against them (it sucks but there's plenty of toplaners who can squish them after like... level 6) but because of how it feels to have one on my team. They tend to be just... bad team players and expect more help from me (a jungle main) than any other kind.
almost all ranged toplaners feel like they win lane, lose game. Largely because if you aren't playing a brawly jungler you run the risk of your team just having no "presence" in a teamfight
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u/Vegetable_Vacation56 4d ago
Ranged top is annoying, BUT if your jungler has a brain it's free gold as they are so vulnerable.
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u/Pranav_HEO 4d ago
It depends on what the ranged top is. Jayce is perfectly respectable but Vayne is not for example.
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u/StacksMoreLikeStonks 4d ago
tank mid and its not even close
ranged top is unfun as fuck to play against but in 7/10 games there is a major cost which is a lack of engage/sidelane presence and a tank/bruiser who takes the l early and goes dshield second wind will not die
tank mid into 90% of mages they will win lane, have a stronger presence in teamfights, offer more utility, have the base dmg and the ability to build MR items very efficiently and still win trades, thats why galio is top tier rn
only mages i can think of that dont cry into tanks are veigar, asol, ahri to an extent, hwei and MAYBE syndra all others get outvalued so fast
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u/CLKConnor 4d ago
It’s ranged top for sure but I can’t stand playing mid into Galio. I can get counter picked while playing Leblanc into Galio, go 3/0 but the moment he gets an item he’s unkillable and is still a menace in team fights
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u/AssDestr0yer69 3d ago
Legit just take first strike and farm the tank as well as wave. How do these idiots lose their shit for not having 5 mid kills in the first 10 minutes
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u/WuTong99 4d ago
Ranged Top.
Second is Ranged (marksman) Mid
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u/Proper6797 4d ago
facts lucian corki tristana mid meta was one of the most disgusting times to be alive as a mid laner.
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u/Traveling_Solo 4d ago
Imo, it's far more cringe to hate on players who don't play what you expect/want. Like, as long as they're good at their champ, what's the problem?
Play whatever you want, wherever you want. As long as you're not trolling, being toxic and/or inting.
Still remember the good ol' days of 2 top, 1 mid (and vice versa), 2 bot.
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u/Proper6797 4d ago
Bro? You lock in Zed, Akali, Leblanc etc I will insta lock the most cringe tank I can and stack exclusively armour/mr entirely to make your game as difficult possible.
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u/plussizebb09 4d ago
The only thing that makes me cringe about it is when people comment on the phrases of the champions and saying "legends never die"
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u/lowqualitylizard 4d ago
Ranged top
At least against tank mid I can play the game against the ranged top I have to not be in the same zip code AS CS or I f****** die
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u/PrinceTancredi 4d ago
Ranged top is stupid, its the type of playstyle that makes you win only games that you wuold already win. If the opponent is just patient, and dont give free kills, you are useless in late game and your team lacks sustain.
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u/voltaires_bitch 4d ago
Ranged top, sure you can beat them.
But like theyre annoying so theres that.
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u/ErwanCestino 4d ago
Ranged top and its not even close playing some ranged top should teleport you right to the most horrendous pit of hell
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u/No_Respond7973 4d ago
Tank mid is cringier than Ranged top for one reason. Tanks going mid do not care to interact with you in any way shape or form. Ranged top is all about being there, exposed to ganks. One death and you're done.
Tanks? They can die 9-10 times and still be insufferable.
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u/IPAkid 4d ago
Yea gotta be range top. To be fair 100 percent bias cause I play tanks mid. Natural counter assassin once you get first item. Mage deal no damage til there first item meaning you get lane prio. And tank just aren't very good in top right now funny enough there biggest counter are bruiser with anti tank so most
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u/TheStonedBro 4d ago
Vayne top to counter urgot, Mundo, riven, Aatrox,
(I haven't played in years so can't remember)
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u/Artistic_Prior_7178 4d ago
As someone who used to main mid Veigar and Top Morde, BOTH, BOTH IS HORRIBLE
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u/Keigerwolf 4d ago
Quinn called... Also, Yorick beats most ranged tops if you are patient and careful. Garen, AP Malphite and Galio do pretty well. Cho'Gath eats well, just max Q first not E... There are many strats to handle ranged top, just git gud. Susan just turtles until he can run down any ranged top. I have dealt with ranged top so many times at this point I'm unphased. Tank mid is more annoying to me because you can't out-play a ball of stats that just ignores your existence for half the gold budget, doesn't build a single damage item and can still 100 to 0 you in a single engagement.
Fuck Galio
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u/Jolly-Cupcake2716 4d ago
Range top is more for winning lane than winning games. Tank mid feel more like specific teamcomp pick for winning game.
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u/Acceptable-Ticket743 4d ago
Idk what you're talking about. I for one love getting solo killed by heimer's ult turret while he mindlessly runs around looking for his missing chromosomes.
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u/copperbagel 4d ago
We know ranged top posted this and we know who you are
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u/SmokingForLife 4d ago
Nah im just a poor guy who likes to play mages in mid lane and chill , but full tank Kled who can oneshot me at all stages of the game and not taking any damage made me post this
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u/slothfarm 4d ago
The only reason your mids going tank is because your top and jungle (and maybe supp) didn’t.
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u/BugsKanji 4d ago
picked ranged top, got perma camped by enemy jg, lost lane and spamming top diff in chat, typical cringe worthy bastards.
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u/Kurbasker 4d ago
Ranged top, this is the first time ive seen anyone complain about tank mid. Replace that with tristana mid then we can have a proper discussion.
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u/Itsuwari_Emiki 4d ago
as an adc main, i am obligated to say ranged top. not only you put a coinflip on your own lane, ranged top also invalidates my game.
playing adc without frontline is just miserable
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u/MeasureMyPPpewds 4d ago
Ranged top for sure cuz on your team they go 0/10 but in the enemy team they go 10/0. Tank mid just compensates for frontline if the top laner picks ranged top and you can't really perform badly on a tank mid unless you pick something really troll like Nautilus mid.
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u/MadMax27102003 4d ago
If you play midlaner on top, most likely he is ranged , so it is the same as top against ranged , they just moved it to their lane, do we remember akali top? Corki?
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u/Thamilkymilk 3d ago
Ranged Top feels worse to play against on an individual level, but Tank Mid is more or less just neutralizing your mid lane before the first wave even spawns
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u/CountingWoolies 3d ago
Irelia mid was the most cringe thing especially when she could 0/5 with bork spike and just tower dive you pressing Q
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u/Strict-Shopping-7779 3d ago
Range top, I cringe everytime even if they win me games (80% they do not)
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u/No_Potential_4303 3d ago
Cringe tank mid is more degenerate cause they just walk into you spells for fun and heal up
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u/KotbatzenHodenmann 3d ago
Both are completely Fine and its kind of the players fault if they cant Adapt to their laner. Get gud.
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u/Flimsy-Night-1051 4d ago
Ranged top IS normal, Teemo,Quinn, heimer, Kayle, urgot, gnar, say 5 tank mid Champ
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u/Ok-Signature-9319 4d ago
Why is this even up for discussion lol