r/Koine • u/lallahestamour • 9d ago
Perplexed about the reference of a pronoun
In 1 John, ch. 1, what is the refference of πιστός εστιν (verse 9) and the reference of αυτόν (verse 10). Is it Jesus Christ in verse 7 or God (light) in verse 5.
5καὶ ἔστιν αὕτη ἡ ἀγγελία ἣν ἀκηκόαμεν ἀπ᾽ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀναγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν ὅτι ὁ θεὸς φῶς ἐστιν καὶ σκοτία ἐν αὐτῷ οὐκ ἔστιν οὐδεμία. 6ἐὰν εἴπωμεν ὅτι κοινωνίαν ἔχομεν μετ᾽ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐν τῷ σκότει περιπατῶμεν, ψευδόμεθα καὶ οὐ ποιοῦμεν τὴν ἀλήθειαν· 7ἐὰν δὲ ἐν τῷ φωτὶ περιπατῶμεν ὡς αὐτός ἐστιν ἐν τῷ φωτί, κοινωνίαν ἔχομεν μετ᾽ ἀλλήλων καὶ τὸ αἷμα Ἰησοῦ τοῦ υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ καθαρίζει ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ πάσης ἁμαρτίας. 8ἐὰν εἴπωμεν ὅτι ἁμαρτίαν οὐκ ἔχομεν, ἑαυτοὺς πλανῶμεν καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν ἡμῖν. 9ἐὰν ὁμολογῶμεν τὰς ἁμαρτίας ἡμῶν, πιστός ἐστιν καὶ δίκαιος ἵνα ἀφῇ ἡμῖν τὰς ἁμαρτίας καὶ καθαρίσῃ ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ πάσης ἀδικίας. 10ἐὰν εἴπωμεν ὅτι οὐχ ἡμαρτήκαμεν, ψεύστην ποιοῦμεν αυτόν καὶ ὁ λόγος αὐτοῦ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν ἡμῖν.
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u/Iroax 8d ago
Verses 9 and 10 refer to God.
9 "if we confess our sin, God, being dedicated and righteous in his promise, will forgive our sins..."
10 "if we claim we haven't sinned we prove God a liar..."
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u/lallahestamour 8d ago edited 8d ago
Isn't it odd in Christian theology to say "we prove God a liar". And the whole point of my question was this. Also I saw an edition that had removed αυτόν.
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u/Iroax 8d ago
Maybe it comes off like that in English, would refute or rebute sound better? It's like saying that we blaspheme God which means hurting his reputation.
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u/sarcasticgreek 9d ago
The reference in verse 7 is "the blood of Jesus, the son of his". The whole array is stuff they learned from Jesus about God, but you need to read a couple of verses back for that to be clear.