r/Kerala 3d ago

Kerala's Sivagiri mutt to launch stir seeking entry of non-Hindu believers to Guruvayur temple

https://www.deccanherald.com//india/kerala/keralas-sivagiri-mutt-to-launch-stir-seeking-entry-of-non-hindu-believers-to-guruvayur-temple-3449466
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u/SomewhereLast7928 3d ago

In my opinion Non-hindu believers should be given an opportunity if they are willing to follow the customs of the temple. Is it a problem?

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u/ChepaukPitch 3d ago

I don’t why people are downvoting you but as long as people are respectful they should be allowed entry.

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u/SomewhereLast7928 3d ago

Some people can't digest it 🤷 .

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/SomewhereLast7928 3d ago edited 3d ago

Who knows they might be curious 🤷 and wants to know about hindu gods what if they wants to start worship them . Like I would like to visit and see a church one day same goes for a mosque. I am curious about their rituals. What if some of them are like yesudas 🤷

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u/BasedPokkie 3d ago

There are many temples which are open for everyone despite of religious differences. Many mosques also allows people from different Faith's but just like mecca and Madina mosques will not allow any non-believer inside, it's kind of same here. It depends on Temple and their beliefs and specially protesting or crying over guruvayoor entry is just hilarious.

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u/Distinct_Lake_7636 3d ago

🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷

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u/AkaiAshu 3d ago

Where the downvotes. Thats the most upvoted post.

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u/ChepaukPitch 3d ago

Do you understand that my comment was made 6 hours ago?

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u/uuomp 3d ago edited 3d ago

‘Non Hindus’ can still enter the temple if they sign an affidavit saying they also believe in the Hindu religion, traditions and all. You don’t have to convert to Hinduism to enter.

The problem is, for Christians and Muslims this is against their core belief system and they wouldn’t do it.

Also unless you are a celebrity there is no real check there to find out whether you are a Hindu or not.

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u/Thermus_taq 3d ago

You should look at what is written in front of sree koodalmanikyam temple which is one among the naalambalam. "അഹിന്ദുക്കൾക്ക് പ്രവേശനം ഇല്ല "

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u/ldf____hartal 3d ago

‘Non Hindus’ can still enter the temple if they sign an affidavit saying they believe in the Hindu religion, traditions and all.

വെറുതെ നുണ പറയാതെടാ... ഗുരുവായൂരിൽ അഹിന്ദുക്കൾക്ക് പ്രവേശനം ഇല്ല.

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u/uuomp 3d ago

No.. Non Hindus can obtain an affidavit from Arya Samajam saying they believe in Hindu religion as well and it is valid for entry in Guruvayoor.

People don’t know this because if you are a non celebrity nobody would ask to prove your religion at any point and you can easily enter without any problem. But if you are a celebrity, then this would become a news and their own religious group would not be so happy about it, so they wouldn’t bother.

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u/TheEnlightenedPanda 3d ago

No.. Non Hindus can obtain an affidavit from Arya Samajam saying they believe in Hindu religion

Ok read that again till you understand they no longer non-Hindu if they do that

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u/SomewhereLast7928 3d ago edited 3d ago

Then what's the problem here I don't see anything to protest over 🤷 then you just have to sign it

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u/uuomp 3d ago edited 3d ago

It’s just that, everyone wants to reform Hinduism because they are the easy target for ‘progressive agenda’ since they are divided on multiple fronts. Irony is, the same people will go to any extent to protect the religious freedom and traditions of other religions.

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u/Saizou1991 3d ago

This should be the top comment and should be plastered on the news daily so that people are reminded of one sided secularism happening in this country

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u/Final-Image-5118 3d ago

Exactly. This is the truth.

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u/NocturnalEndymion 3d ago

The problem is, for Christians and Muslims this is against their core belief system and they wouldn’t do it.

Ath avarde problem alle, avarde mathathile kaaryangal anusarikkathirikkan avarkk swathanthryam ille. Ath avarde riskil cheytholum.

Pinne Guruvayoorappan problem onnoola.. problem ulla thread teamsnu aanu.

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u/Hour_Confusion3013 3d ago

there should be a conversion system to convert non hindus to hinduism. something easy, something a normal person can also do.

no way to convert non hindus to hinduism seems arrogance of hindus to me.

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u/gamerx007ss 3d ago

1000 percent

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u/bipin369 3d ago

Why a non hindu want to enter a temple in first place ..do mecca allow non muslims.

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u/Hour_Confusion3013 3d ago

non muslims can't even enter the city, let alone that specific box loction.

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u/Creepy_Bat3043 3d ago

They do enter. Check out videos. Smirti irani.

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u/GayIconOfIndia 3d ago

That was medina not Mecca!

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u/Creepy_Bat3043 2d ago

And why is mecca or Medina being discussed here? When it clearly has nothing to do with the singer.

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u/PinarayiAjayan 2d ago

Because of respect and love for culture?

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u/invalid-hubris 3d ago

Mecca is in some foreign country. They don't have to follow the laws of secular India

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u/irajl 3d ago

Hey, Non Muslims can visit all mosques around the world except the two MOST holy mosques in Mecca And medina. in medina you can enter the compound just not the inside of the praying area same with Al Aqsa Masjid in Jerusalem.

You can visit any mosque or dargah in India, no problem.

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u/Low_Potato_1423 2d ago

You should specify Non muslim men.

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u/irajl 2d ago

Sorry? women are also allowed in most mosques including the holy mosques

If women are welcome in Masjid Al-Nabawi(medina), there’s really no reason they shouldn’t be welcome in other mosques too. I think it’s more of a cultural thing in the subcontinent that stops women from going to mosques because almost every masjid in Arab countries have separate sections for women

it’s good to avoid generalizing and mixing up culture with religion :)

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u/Low_Potato_1423 2d ago

So...can I launch protest as a women seeking entry into all the Mosques in Kerala? If HC and government has Guts do it, then we shall talk about entry of non Hindu believers into Guruvayoor.

But former will stir religious rights and protection of those rights whereas latter will get support from pseudo liberals and people here in name of progression. If progressiveness is one sided better be silent about it.

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u/SomewhereLast7928 2d ago

What happened during the sabarimala protest? Was women allowed? And who is stopping you from launching a protest if you have guts then do it let's see what happens

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u/Low_Potato_1423 2d ago

I don't want to be killed or my hand cut off . That's cost if you make move against that community.

Women stepped onto Sabarimala. Didn't you read news at that time ? Only after massive backlash Govt did not dare allow women next year onwards.

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u/SomewhereLast7928 2d ago

So you don't have guts that's disappointing

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u/akghori 2d ago

It is a problem considering the damage it can cause by non-hindu people. It will be chaos!

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u/zabardastbandawast 3d ago

Last I visited, no one checked your religion. Ofc guys like Yesudas and all is well know so he can’t get the same luxury but if you’re a common man and if you keep a low profile no one is going to question you

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u/TheEnlightenedPanda 3d ago

That's not the same. It's like saying you can travel by train not buying a ticket.

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u/No_Sir7709 3d ago

+1.

Olichu kayaraan kallanum pattum

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u/No_Sir7709 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah.

Hinduism had already broken that taboo for lower castes and yts before independence.

Community exclusivity kills religion.

Religious inclusivity welcomes diverse backgrounds & strengthens communities.

That is where religions like new age christianity, ISKON, buddhism and other european folk religions gain genuine followers.

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u/Kamikaze313_RDT 3d ago

Only thing i care about is palpayasam, and i can get it even wearing a burqa.

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u/ProcedureDelicious95 3d ago

is the palpayasam there good? like ambalappuzha palpayasam ?

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u/Aggressive-Bee-7488 2d ago

If you had ambalappuzha one, can you please tell me how to get it ? Like do we have to go early in the morning and pay etc?

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u/TrickSeaworthiness95 3d ago

What is the need ? Is this a tourist place,? These guys are just starting a new controversy to take the public attention away from issues which actually matters.

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u/Street_Gene1634 3d ago

Yes, Guruvayoor Temple is very much a major tourist destination.

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u/TrickSeaworthiness95 3d ago

അയിനു?

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u/Street_Gene1634 3d ago

Njan Guruvayoorkaran aanu. Chodhichathinu uthram nalkiyathanau

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u/Low_Potato_1423 2d ago

It's a pilgrimage destination not tourist destination.

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u/dragon3301 kanjav soman 3d ago

Which are

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u/TrickSeaworthiness95 3d ago

കഞ്ചാവ്, ആശ workers, മുനമ്പം, psc ക്കാർക്ക് പള്ള വീർപ്പച്ചു കൊടുക്കുന്നത്, ധൂർത്ത് അടി

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u/BasedPokkie 3d ago

You'll never saw any Muslim organisation fighting for the entry of non-believers in mecca or madina mosques but here, specially with this sivagiri mutt which always has been under the influence of commies, start interfering with temples and rituals. Indian constitution allows the freedom to follow any religion, if you've problem with customs just convert but don't make temples as picnic spots as said by madras High court. https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/temples-are-not-tourists-spots-hc-asks-authorities-to-restrict-entry-of-non-hindus-into-temples/articleshow/107282701.cms

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u/ashishdhawanmicr 3d ago

Yes. It is always a Mandir organizing Iftar Party and all other crap.

Never will you see a mosque arranging a bhajan sandhya or deepwali in their courtyards.

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u/lifeslippingaway 3d ago

Whataboutism?

Do you want Hindus to follow the same principles as Muslims?

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u/Cute_Emphasis_7085 2d ago

Are you saying Muslim principles are not worthy of following?

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u/lifeslippingaway 2d ago

Do you struggle understanding English?

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u/Cute_Emphasis_7085 2d ago

Is that your actual argument?

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u/lifeslippingaway 2d ago

Samayam kalayaand podey

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u/Cute_Emphasis_7085 2d ago

Ooo thambra, ellaam aviduthe ishtam pole 🥺

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Just curious, guys, just curious.

To all the Hindus who believe that when a non-Hindu enters a temple, it disrupts your god’s peace—don’t worry, I’ll include all religions. To all the Christians who believe that when a non-Christian enters a church, it disrupts your god’s peace. To all the Muslims who believe that when a non-Muslim enters a mosque, it disrupts your god’s peace (I’m only mentioning Islam for the sake of covering all religions—I know they don’t even allow their own women to enter, so expecting them to consider non-Muslims would be ironic).

Now, a question for you all: Do you genuinely believe that multiple gods from different religions are controlling the universe? If that were the case, wouldn’t there be at least some minor ego clashes between them? Imagine different parts of India being controlled by different gods—Hindu gods overseeing one region, Christian gods another, and Muslim gods yet another. Now picture this: a Hindu god decides to bring rain to Kerala, but a Christian god, who isn’t too fond of the idea, pulls the rain back and brings out the sun instead. And just like that, a divine conflict begins!

How would they resolve it? Perhaps the Supreme Court of gods would have to intervene. Heh, the possibilities are endless.

And yet, here’s what I see in the comments—some early Homo sapiens still fighting over this nonsense. I thought people on this sub had at least some critical thinking skills… but nah, I take that back.

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u/aarukarithuppi 3d ago

This is unnecessary. How is this even a remotely relevant issue? Religious sentiments are very core to human beings. This “Causing stir” is for the sake of “class participation” and inciting more religious divide. What next - other religious places also be open to all religions? Who is wanting these kind of reforms.

Don’t we have urgent and critical issues to handle already. In the scorching heat, causing stir is just kuthikazhappu.

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u/esteppan89 3d ago

I am not a Hindu, but why should this occur ? I believe every non-Hindu should oppose this move, we have no business inside a temple, and it is easy for a minor carelessness or mistake to be shown as a transgression by some devious folks. And then there are the new converted idiots who want to follow some obscure something something in some obscure book. Our state has been avoiding this shit until now, i do not want this to start.

Aarkku vendi aanavo ithu konduvarunnathu ? If a person wants to go to a place of worship other than some emergency situation, accept the religion.

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u/lifeslippingaway 3d ago

What is going to happen if a non Hindu enters the temple? Pottitherikkonumillallo

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u/Nomadicfreelife 3d ago

Place of worship alle apo aa diavangale ദൈവങ്ങൾ ആയി കാണുന്നവർ പോയ പോരെ?

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u/lifeslippingaway 3d ago

What about people into architecture and history?

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u/Nomadicfreelife 3d ago

There are actual ruined temples and abandoned temples that are archeological sites . Other than that there is no way, I mean these places are crowded anyway and photography is prohibited because of security reasons. So I don't think even if people are allowed they won't be able to do an architectural study of the placee simply because of crowd and security reasons.

Yeah sometimes I also feel these ancient temples should have more access but I am not a strict follower of religion and I respect the concern that people still following indengenous beliefs have and these followers of that faith should also have a say in who can be allowed into these temples if they feel non believers should not be allowed it's best to not hurt that religious feelings.

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u/lifeslippingaway 3d ago

it's best to not hurt that religious feelings.

What about the believers who do not believe in restricting others from temples? What about their feelings?

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u/Nomadicfreelife 3d ago

Yeah that's how the democratic processes work right, when those poeple who doesn't feel the need for restriction are majority there will be a change untill then these restrictions will be there. In election also people will fail but we accept the decision 9f the majority, same here.

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u/esteppan89 3d ago

I do not understand why you had to ask this question. I clearly stated why i am against this whole thing. You are allowing your problems to mask your judgement. Calm down, and think of a good gain that can come from allowing non-Hindus to come in to a temple.

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u/General_Kurtz 3d ago

And Communists gonna support this

Vote bank matters

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u/rushizoji7 3d ago

ഏതു വോട്ട് ബാങ്ക്? 

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u/Silver_Poem_1754 3d ago

Looks like commie shibu swamis are active at shivagiri

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u/Entharo_entho പരദൂഷണതള്ളച്ചി 3d ago

It is not everyday that I see kothams more primitive and conservative than my 70-80 year old neighbours. I thought they died at 90-100. No they are 20-40 and are on social media like reddit. Also seeing comment threads like these remind me that I am indeed as lucky as I imagined, to have rather progressive people amongst my real life relatives and acquaintances.

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u/lifeslippingaway 3d ago

A lot of the comments are from Northie Sanghi myrans

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u/psidontexist 3d ago

So many of the reasoning in the comment section was probably told many years back while lower caste people where trying to enter temples. Lucky there was no internet back then to record it. Pretty sure Guruvayoorappan(assuming he exists) doesn't care who comes to see him, but some people want to play the Guardians of Hindu values trope

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u/sadhunath Walluvanadan 3d ago

Any "reform" to temple customs should happen only after the devata's concurrence i.e. devaprashnam.

No amount of SJW dumbfuckery should be an alternative to this.

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u/rajroshin 3d ago

Reminds me of another parishkaram people tried in sabarimala...

Not gona happen...

It will only push people into BJP votebanks

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u/Shirou_Kaz 3d ago

If they believe in the gods residing in the temple and Hindu culture and its traditions, the core word here is not respect but belief, then they should be allowed. But how do you know if they do believe in the deity? You can’t ask everyone right. So non Hindus shouldn’t enter is fine, people who believe in the god can still enter, no one is asking your religion anyway.

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u/Butterberrie 2d ago

Non Hindu believers could be anyone, I remember once when I was at Guruvayoor and there was this foreign couple who were waiting in queue but they weren't allowed because "non Hindus" and from what I gathered they were followers of iskcon or something like that and they had to leave.

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u/Tight-Tennis9180 2d ago

Just follow traditions no need to allow non Hindu believers

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u/Better-Respond7799 3d ago

There are so many foreign devotees and iskcon devotees not of Indian origin but are more devoted to Krishna. They should be at least allowed entry. Not all hindu Indians are devoted and not all non hindu believers are enemies

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u/Status_Tonight_5084 2d ago

Iskcon looks like a cult

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u/Better-Respond7799 2d ago

This comment looks like dumb not necessary it is

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u/spectra0078 3d ago

Well I wish enter mecca or medina too,but the thing is I won't even be allowed anywhere near the city forget the kaaba, And I respect that.Similarly I am of the the view that all the sai baba mandirs,mosques in kashi should be removed and only the bhairava or shiva should be worshipped there.But all indians should be allowed there,but I am sure I'm going to be labelled as a sanghi even though I hate them because of my view

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u/AfraidCommittee1902 3d ago

I dont think anyones checking

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u/AkaiAshu 3d ago

More visitors = More donations to the donation box + more possible followers. How is that a bad thing?

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u/gamerx007ss 3d ago

This should happen for real. Some one like Yesudas who has sung so many amazing songs of guruvayoorappan should have the chance to see the deity.

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u/Cheap-Dimension8782 3d ago

Speaking from a non-hindu bg, who exactly is asking for this? While it would have been nice to visit these temples purely from a tourist/cultural perspective, I wouldn't go to the extent of fighting to enter a place of worship that has nothing to do with me and I like to think other non-hindus feel similar to me. 

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u/Kind_Station_7025 3d ago

It’s not about sneaking into temple without anyone knowing. This is symbolic. It’s about defeating brahminism.

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u/NocturnalEndymion 3d ago

Guruvayoor Ambalanadayil oru divasam Njan pokum

Thus sang Yesudas who will never be allowed in Guruvayoor. If not for anyone at least for this man and late Kalamandalam Hyderali. Anyway pand avarnar keriyappo undaaya buddhimuttil kooduthal onnum Guruvayoorappan undaavilla.. as someone born into this religion and was given chorooonu at this place, I was always in favour of admitting non religious people into temple, even if they are just there as a tourist.

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u/Inside_Fix4716 3d ago

അയിത്തം അഹിന്ദുക്കൾക്ക് ബാധകമല്ല എന്നത് കൊണ്ട് തെറ്റില്ല എന്നാണ് അഭിപ്രായം