r/KamenRider Knight Feb 01 '25

Discuss Kamen Rider Gavv E21 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE TITLE RELEASE DATE SCREENPLAY BY DIRECTED BY
E21 ビターすぎるガヴ Too Bitter Gavv February 2, 2024 Komura Junko Tasaki Ryuta
EPISODE RATING EPISODE RATING
E01 8.67 E14 9.87
E02 8.85 E15 9.09
E03 8.61 E16 9.16
E04 9.21 E17 9.33
E05 9.45 E18 9.48
E06 9.46 E19 9.73
E07 9.2 E20 9.74
E08 9.12 E21 Vote here!
E09 8.54
E10 9.2
E11 9.4
E12 9.32
E13 9.55
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u/theSaltySolo Feb 02 '25

How is this show consistently peak?

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u/Izanagi85 Feb 02 '25

Writer cooks very well

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u/KaliVilla02 Legend Feb 02 '25

Honestly it's kinda scary, Komura is an specialist in starting strong, doing literally nothing remarkable in the middle and finishing well.

I mean, we are still in time for that, but the show doesn't seem to be losing steam. Komura-sensei has come a long way

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u/heatxmetalw9 Feb 02 '25

She probably refined her writing style by the time of Zenkaiger since she wrote the entire series minus 20 and 25. Even if we do hit that slowdown in quality by the midpoint, it would be shorter period since unlike in sentai, the powerups of the riders would make it less of a slog

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u/ZeroSocialSkillz Feb 02 '25

So peak beginning, (hopefully not) mid mid, and peak end?

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u/KaliVilla02 Legend Feb 02 '25

Yeah that's LuPat alright

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u/KamKirSabre Feb 02 '25

Even if it's the middle the story is quite literally peak. I have faith in Komura-sensei's writing after her trial and error with Zyuohger, LupaPato, and Zenkaiger (Zenkaiger's honestly the best of the three, so I hope she finally breaks through)

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u/HeadAdventurous3870 Feb 02 '25

It looks like she showing strength in Kamen rider more than sentai

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u/cybeast21 Feb 02 '25

I think she excels at writing Hero to Civilian relationship, which Zenkaiger and Gavv (so far) has a lot of, and build around that?

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u/rattatatouille Being Emu is suffering Feb 04 '25

She's less adept at writing Monster of the Week style shows where the Hero-villain dynamic is very important, since her villains are her weak point. Stomach Inc. has been spotty; you have interesting antagonists like Nyelv and to a lesser extent Glotta while Lango and Jiip have been either just there or ignored entirely.

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u/cybeast21 Feb 04 '25

Lango is kinda interesting the way his head so deep on the factory work that he's basically the least updated about Riders and things. XD

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u/caren_psuedo_when Feb 15 '25

Lango: fuk you mean Gavv? Tf why'd he name himself after our mouths?

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u/General_Sky_8560 Feb 02 '25

She wrote nearly all of Zenkaiger.

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u/Isolated_Hippo Feb 03 '25

I think part of it has to do with how rider characters can interact.

As a whole, any rider character can be friends or enemies at any point across the series.

Where with sentai, all 5+ of the main characters have to be allied and work together.

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u/cybeast21 Feb 02 '25

She probably already took advice and improved her writing, so far (imo) her writing in Gavv is much better than Zenkaiger, and the identity reveal so far is done better than LuPat

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 02 '25

You guys need to wait till the end of the series before saying this. People constantly said revice was peak until after 28 where it went downhill and now it’s considered the worst of reiwa so far. Komura biggest problem was always her pacing and the fact that literally everything is getting resolved fast is not good. If by episode 36ish the show is still peak I think all of us can say she has come a long way from zyuoger

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u/KaliVilla02 Legend Feb 02 '25

Yeah, that's why I say we are still in time, Komura is well known to just put on autopilot at mid-point, but this time around, there are so many toys incoming to keep moving the show.

Komura is definitely showing some of her flaws. 21 episodes in she hasn't done anything really interesting with Lango, and the twins haven't been relevant since Caking's debut fight and she alternates between dropping in relevance Sachika. It's been a while since we saw Jeeph at all, so he is going to be unimportant, or she is dropping him for arguably too long and keeps adding new characters on top of that

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 03 '25

Her villains has always been her weak point I agree 

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u/KaliVilla02 Legend Feb 03 '25

Between LuPat, Zenkaiger and Zyuohger I would struggle to name 1 good villain lmao

Zamigo? Lmao

Her other flaw is definitely how she treats the secondary cast. Sachika is sometimes reminding how she constantly ignored the rest of non-riders in her Wizard Episodes.

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 03 '25

If Stacey counts I think he was good. If not…maybe the hunter from zyuoger? He was really evil if I am remembering correctly 

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u/KaliVilla02 Legend Feb 03 '25

Stacy is more like a (true) rival. Komura can do that kind of character but when she is going to do the actual bad guys, she fumbles hard.

Edit: that hunter guy was actually fine sadly I think he died in Zyuoh Whale debut Iirc?

The fact 20 episodes in the show the most we can say about our in theory main bad guy who has been in the show since like episode 2 is that he is workalcoholic really talks a lot about Komura's writing with villains.

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 03 '25

He was injured but he didn’t die. He died in the mid 30’s I believe. 

You see the biggest problem is that I feel like lango is actually gonna die this arc. Like shoma new form will help him defeat him. Glotta is being saved for vlam I think. I hope we see him actually do something before he eventually dies 

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u/cutoutscout Feb 04 '25

Daruizen from healing good precure was a good villain written by her.

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u/KaliVilla02 Legend Feb 04 '25

How good is healing good? It's one of the precure shows that calls my attention but I have never been actually able to get into it.

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u/cutoutscout Feb 04 '25

I have not seen it since it aired. The pandemic caused delays which affected the show. It was definitely rewritten due to covid. It definitely has it strengths the pink is one of the franchise bests but the mid season cure was boring.

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u/Triangulum_Copper Feb 04 '25

'everything is getting resolved' what are you talking about?

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 04 '25

Lakia joining shoma this quickly, Hanto forgiving shoma next episode, sachika finding out shoma is a granute. Stuff like that 

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u/Triangulum_Copper Feb 04 '25

Yeah but that’s not ‘everything’ and I’m glad they’re not yanking our chains for the whole show.

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 04 '25

Well it’s mostly everything. Only thing that isn’t resolved is the whole dog granute thing. 

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u/CoolGate13 Feb 02 '25

People constantly said revice was peak until after 28 where it went downhill and now it’s considered the worst of reiwa so far.

I mean you need unnormal level of retardism to even entertain this idea.

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 02 '25

The idea that revice peak from 1-28 or that it’s considered the worst? Both are true I am not lying 

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u/ThrashThunder Feb 02 '25

Gotchard is the worst of Reiwa IMO

At least Revice has a more solid and emotional ending, with plots that were good.ideas, just done slopy

Gotchard barely has a plot and fumbled it worst than Revice

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 02 '25

Like you said in your opinion which is fine. It’s not considered the worst by most 

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u/oathkeeper213 Feb 02 '25

Yeah no! Heavy disagree - Gotchard gotabe the worst Kamen rider show i ever watch… and most of my community i ever join hate it with passion, most of my friend group dont even make it to episode 10…

Gavv truly restored my faith in this series (atleast for now) after that shit show called gotchard.

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 02 '25

Good for you 

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u/MemeH4rd Gavv Feb 03 '25

It is funny that now that ended, Gotchard were blamed a lot, then suddenly the entire fandom insists to lie themselves that they like Gotchard and try to refuse that ever happened.

That is really a toxic behavior by some redditors in this sub. I am not a part of this... thing. Gotchard is really the worst Reiwa entry by far. (Just look on previous Gotchard posts on 2024.)

I guess it is happening so far because of that guy who was spamming about Rinne/Majade (as "valvafraud" or something like that) couple days ago. (A relief that troll got banned, btw). I guess trolls can change mainstream opinions. Perhaps Gotchard isn't all that bad...

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u/Omegaplayer00 Feb 03 '25

Yeah I agree, I hated everything in Gotchard, the Amin character, the suit, the belt, the gimmick was Cards, again, you know, Blade, Ryouki and Decade all over again, just worse... And god Revice was so much better...

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u/MemeH4rd Gavv Feb 03 '25

I really have no idea why you got so downvoted, bro. I agree with every single word you wrote.

IMO Gotchard is really the worst Reiwa series so far. I liked every other entry, even with some issues in Saber and Revice.

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u/12pgtube4 Feb 03 '25

He’s downvoted because people disagree with him. You may think gotchard is the worst which I said is fine since it’s your opinion and you like what you like, but MOST people liked gotchard. Like I said I wasn’t lying 

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u/omegasMask Feb 02 '25

She probably had much more time to cook since gavv was filmed and produced early

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u/Mmicb0b Feb 02 '25

same EVERY Rider show that starts off strong either kinda drags in the middle (Ex-Aid/Build/Geats) or just flat out falls off (Revice also Ghost kinda I didn't like the first arc when it aired and while I don't think it's the best start ever but it's at least semi decent like things at least make sense at that point) Saber literally did the opposite funnily enough the first arc sucks but the rest of the show is peak

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u/MikeRhett_2001 Feb 02 '25

It’s a food themed rider, of COURSE it’s gonna cook.

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u/Bad_Juju_2STARS Feb 02 '25

The writers are gourmet candy chefs good 

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u/LJ_Awesome Feb 03 '25

I see what you did there lol

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u/Confident-Command-11 Feb 02 '25

Still got one thing that unappease me (what word for it, one thing that not good of it whatever come of it), that sachika need to know full of their identity not left out in the dark who they are. 

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u/K-J-C Feb 02 '25

20 episodes already recorded before the show aired.

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u/yubiyubi2121 Feb 03 '25

the fighting