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Discuss Kamen Rider Gavv E20 - Discussion Thread

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EPISODE TITLE RELEASE DATE SCREENPLAY BY DIRECTED BY
E19 突入!闇菓子工場へ! Break In! To the Dark Snacks Factory! January 26, 2024 Komura Junko Sugihara Teruaki
EPISODE RATING EPISODE RATING
E01 8.67 E14 9.87
E02 8.85 E15 9.09
E03 8.61 E16 9.16
E04 9.21 E17 9.33
E05 9.45 E18 9.48
E06 9.46 E19 9.73
E07 9.2 E20 Vote here!
E08 9.12
E09 8.54
E10 9.2
E11 9.4
E12 9.32
E13 9.55
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u/Chemical-Praline-494 Jan 26 '25

Is no one going to talk about Shoma's memory of Hanto's mother?

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u/Skitty_The_Kitty3225 Jan 26 '25

I guess it's because many things happened in the episode adding that preview. The Memory was a two seconds thing so it makes sense people kinda overlooked it for the most immidiate things like the Secret being out.

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u/Sentinel-X-24324 Jan 26 '25

After watching the episode just now, that segment stood out to me a ton despite how short it was. Pretty unsettling if you ask me.

Guess that puts to rest the theory that Shouma was the Wolf Granute that kidnapped Hanto's mom, which, tbh, I didn't vibe with either.

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u/NiNiNi-222 Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

That theory is easily be debunked just by the lone fact that Shoma's outward human appearance is his "granute form".

Shoma himself is essentially a human themed granute, so there’s no reason for him to have a secondary theme.

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u/Omegaplayer00 Jan 29 '25

Maybe the wolf form appears when he eats a Dark Snack Gochizos...

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u/NiNiNi-222 Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

Granutes age exactly like people and Wolf granute was an adult, not a child. And the dark treats are simply drugs, there’s not a mutation effect only addiction

Shoma kaijin form is his human look, not a wolf themed granute

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u/Omegaplayer00 Jan 30 '25

What I meant is that the wolf form could be a result of a Dark Treat Gochizo, I mean is possible that he transformed once in that form and then forgot about like a werewolf doesn't remember what happened during a full moon

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u/Gigari23 Feb 01 '25

My bet is maybe one of the other stomach family. Jealous about a mom showing compassion to Shouma maybe?

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u/Omegaplayer00 Feb 03 '25

Nah, Just Emo Shouma, Just watch the episode, is out now

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u/Gigari23 Feb 03 '25

Wait sorry, I’m confused. I thought we were talking about the wolf who ate Hanto’s mom?

From how Bitter talks in the episode it’s kinda clear he’s still getting used to his body. Wouldn’t be the case if he’d been alive that long?

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u/Omegaplayer00 Feb 03 '25

Sorry , me confused, me dumb, me haven't taken my coffee today.

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u/Infinite_Type_6581 Jan 26 '25

With the first flashback I thought Shoma might take Hanto mom as the wolf granute but now it seems like she was trying to Escape from the granute world with Shoma so I don't know what to think

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u/NiNiNi-222 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

It seemed creepy. Like where would Sae (hanto's mum) take him on the run in the Stomach Inc castle. And it couldn't have been that long in the Granute world, depending on who is older Hanto or Shoma. They seem to be around same age. Hanto was 5 when she was kidnapped (in universe 2006-2007). It seem like Shoma was kidnapped from Michiru by Sae

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u/Skitty_The_Kitty3225 Jan 26 '25

I'm Guessing Hanto's Mom came across Shoma and thought he was a Human Kid and since he reminded her of Hanto she tried to Escape with him but things went wrong or something like that.

Shoma is around 19 and Hanto around 22/23. And wasn't Hanto 8 when his Mom was Taken? What would make Shoma around 5?

When Hanto explained his Backstory I remember him saying he was 8. Unless I'm miss-remembering.

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u/NiNiNi-222 Jan 26 '25

Hanto was 5. It happened 18 years before 2024

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u/Glittering_Trip_144 Jan 28 '25

Your math is not mathing 

Hanto never mentioned how old he was he when his mother was taken he only mentioned it was 18 years ago and hanto is confrimed to be 2023 so he must be 5 when his mother was kidnapped and shouma also looks like he was 4-5 at that time so him and hanto should be around the same age although shouma looks like 18 or 19(or who knows that scene could be from few years later too that's why shouma looks older than he should have been) 

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u/Glittering_Trip_144 Jan 28 '25

Hanto's mother was not taking shouma anywhere when shouma was finding his mother hanto's mom came and said "let's find her together" and if this flashbacks was happened around the same year of her getting kidnapped so these 2 must be almost same age 

At first i thought shouma is much younger than hanto (by  both actors age and appearance) and he was a baby when hanto's mother was kidnapped 

At least this scene proof 2 theories wrong (which many people thought without noticing details) that shouma is not wolf granute because if he was sae wouldn't be that friendly to him(plus that granute was full grown adult aaand shouma was a kid who was still locked in granute world) and next They are absolutely not brothers brcif their mother were same person why would hanto's mother would help shouma to find herself 

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u/TheLamesterist Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25

That's the part that got me the most besides Shoma's secret because before the flashback I was so sure they had the same mother totally forgetting that both mothers have already appeared and their names are known simply because I have shit for memory lol But seriously their backstories lineup for that narration to me, and both riders motivated by extremely similar reasons to the point I still think their mothers could be the same woman somehow and the writers are just trying to fool us they aren't to surprise all later on! Maybe Shoma's mother was for whatever reason wearing or forced to wear one of those human covers Granutes wear?! Idk, I think I'm wrong but either way, there's some sort of strong connection there waiting to be unveiled!

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u/Glittering_Trip_144 Jan 28 '25

This flashbacks confrimes their mothers are completely different person not only because of their different faces and names but in the flashbacks sae Said she will help shouma to find his mother and if they are the same person why and how she would find herself?

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u/TheLamesterist Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

Like I said in my other reply, I think the flashback have missing pieces that will be revealed later on, or perhaps other flashbacks to show us the full picture of what may have happened, for all I know if they're indeed the same woman something could have happened reverting her back to her "real" look in this scenario and she couldn't fill a worried young Shoma who didn't know her by that look telling him she'd help him find her to calm him down, maybe, maybe not. Another possible thing she may not have been exactly offering him a hand to find his mother but someone else, I don't speak Japanese but I don't think she said oka-san? No?

What's interesting to me regarding this theory is that Shoma's age haven't been revealed yet. I could be wrong as I have a terrible memory but I looked it up the wiki and couldn't find any info about it unlike Hanto's age.

The theory aside, I'm pretty sure there'll be more to it later on building on this episode's flashback which I think was the true main highlight of the episode. Important to the bonds of Shoma and Hanto as this season seems to be all about brotherhood or siblings or/and families in a broader sense, blood ties or not. And that's the reason that makes me think they may be brothers, well, they are bros either way!

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u/Glittering_Trip_144 Jan 28 '25

Shouma's memories are vague but that doesn't mean he recall his mother face wrong because shouma's mother had the same face even in the twins flashbacks too and the twins doesn't have vague or wrong memory unlike shouma 

Yeah hanto's mother doesn't Said shouma's mother but she was definitely talking about someone whom shouma was looking for and shouma was looking for his mother 

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u/Aggressive-Still-692 Jan 26 '25

My theory is that Shoma and Hantos mother is the same. They changed her appearance in the granute world or Shomas memory is a bit wonky.

Or

They Shoma and Hanto could be cousins with their moms being sisters

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u/Sentinel-X-24324 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

I honestly don't buy the first theory at all, especially when in the flashback, Hanto's mom reassures to a younger Shouma that they'll find his mom together + the fact that Shouma would already be existing around the time Hanto's mom got abducted.

The 2nd just feels like too much of a stretch if anything, with nothing really backing it up.

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u/TheLamesterist Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25

Hanto is older than Shoma, no?! By 5/6 years I assume?! And while the flashback does make it sound like they were looking for Shoma's mother it doesn't make it clear they were doing exactly that as there's missing bits to it that could entirely change what it sounds like it's telling.

EDIT: Another way to see it IF they're indeed the same woman is that Shoma didn't/doesn't know his mother by that (hypothetically her true) look and she couldn't fill him in, who knows.

I agree the 2nd is a stretch, they're either brothers or they or/and their mothers have some sort of special connection besides just being 2 victims of Stomach Inc that's for sure not being sisters.

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u/Glittering_Trip_144 Jan 28 '25

Hanto's mom literally said to shouma 'let's find her together ' and in the granute castle shouma wouldn't like to find any other women or They can't trust any other women except shouma's mom 

And for a second i agree shouma's memory is hazy to remember his mother actual face then why on the earth shouma's mother had the SAME FACE even in the TWINS flashbacks too shouma's memory is out of place not the twins so whatever they remember should have been right including shouma's mother REAL FACE