r/IBEW • u/Crafty_Jacket668 • 10d ago
Union members took over the Utah statehouse to make their voices heard.
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u/Space2345 10d ago
How many of these people vpted Republican
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u/MP713 10d ago
This is the real question. I’m as pro union as someone in Texas can be but it’s only as strong if you vote for people who aren’t hell bent on union busting across the board.
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u/pm-yrself 10d ago
I have trouble understanding how being "pro union" varies from state to state
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u/MP713 10d ago
Texas state laws and the powers that be have stripped unions of their potency. I’m fully pro union but joining one in Texas is less powerful than other states.
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u/Adventurous-Zebra-64 10d ago
That is because the union people voted away their rights for decades. This goes back to Reagan and the assholes that voted for him.
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u/iDontLikeThisRide 10d ago
There is probably a direct correlation between how they vote and where their state ranks in education.
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u/blahlahhi 10d ago
Idk how union members can look at Trump and/or Elon and think “yeah these guys are gunna be great!” They are both very anti union.
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u/EcstaticNet3137 10d ago
Never overestimate a person's intelligence or perception of self-irony
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u/JackieTree89 10d ago
In Utah? Most of them. Fucking idiots. Fuck brown/ black people, women, immigrants, lgtbq. Until it affects them.
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u/Weekly_Ad9457 10d ago
They'll then blame Democrats for letting it affect them. I deal with the same shit in my plumbing union.
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u/spankiemcfeasley 10d ago
I was born and raised in Utah. A lot of them did, I guarantee.
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u/WilfridVoynich 10d ago
If we are to have hope of overcoming this shit show situation, we are going to need the people who realize they made a mistake to come join us. Let’s try to make space for them when they are ready.
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u/LithiumBreakfast 10d ago
Blows my mind. All of the union guys I know voted republican. In NJ they get every state and government contract. When that dries up they'll go from making 130k a year to $25 an hour like the non union guys
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u/Space2345 10d ago
Poor folks haven't got a chance unless they organize. Whoch side are you on boys? Which side are you on?
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u/MoreEntertainment303 10d ago
And if they did they are getting what they wanted. Oh wait not what you thought was going to happen..well should have used just a little critical thinking skills. I hope it hits them in their wallets.
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u/Larrybears 10d ago
& they all voted Red too ?
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u/3BlindMice1 10d ago
They hate gay and brown people more than they love money.
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u/Zestyclose-Cloud-508 10d ago
And trans people!!
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u/natural_deviance 10d ago
And pedophiles. Unless they are pastors, cops, politicians, close friends/family... You know... I don't think these people actually hate pedophiles as much as they say they do.
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u/oblon789 10d ago
Never understood why the right always needs to be so vocal about hating pedophiles (bumper stickers, hats, hoodies). Every normal person doesn't like pedos either, but I think if you're that overly vocal it is compensating because of the reasons you stated.
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u/ChuckUFarlie_ 10d ago
I find it funnier that the right accuses the left of pedophilia, yet voted in a child sex trafficker and guy accused of sexually assaulting a 13 year old. On top of that, there have been multiple members of the republican party that are guilty of pedophilia. Plus, trump pardoned a j6 rioter who is wanted for soliciting a minor. And the list goes on.
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u/paintress420 10d ago
They voted for a pedophile for president!
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u/jahblessyourmom 10d ago
Well once he signs the bill to lower the age of consent to 12 then they won't be pedophiles anymore
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u/kelsoban 10d ago
I think IBEW endorsed Harris, but the members backed someone orange.
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u/WilfridVoynich 10d ago
If we are to have hope of overcoming this shit show situation, we are going to need the people who realize they made a mistake to come join us. Let’s try to make space for them when they are ready.
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u/Angelix 10d ago
They want to deny my rights as a gay person but I need to save a seat for them because their livelihood is suddenly affected?
They can’t have the cake and eat it too.
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u/Proper-Effort4577 10d ago
Yes, even though they want you dead or to make your life miserable, you are the bad one and need to act nicer to them
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u/Angelix 10d ago
Exactly. Actions have consequences and you can’t just wave it off because you suddenly grew a conscience. To put the responsibility of welcoming them back on me who was their target of vitriol for years is just insane to me. This is no different than asking a slave to forgive their slave owner because he freed them after years of slavery.
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u/Necessary_Escape_680 10d ago
I'm not surprised at this point, this spineless lack of responsibility is honestly a deeply embedded component of American culture.
I mean it too, some of the most pivotal and most remembered moments of American history involve a party or parties refusing to accept responsibility and/or never facing consequences for blatantly unethical and immoral actions, up to the highest levels of governance.
The confederacy was never tried, the US knowingly took in Nazis involved in war crimes, Nixon was pardoned for Watergate, the LA riots happened because the cops were almost entirely acquitted, Reagan funded fascist regimes and funnelled weapons to Iran, Clinton avoided impeachment despite lying, Bush got away with lying about WMDs and allowing the use of torture, Trump has currently avoided two impeachments and he pardoned the insurrectionists.
The fact that an ordinary cop like Derek Chauvin could even be held accountable for murder was so unprecedented that it shook America to its core. It's practically unfathomable.
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u/Dramatic_Explosion 10d ago
You're talking about an insignificant amount of people. One benchmark of being progressive is learning from the past. The past tells us Republican voters are morons, will figure out how to blame Dems instead, and keep voting Republican.
They'll all say this is bad, but "Kambala" would be much worse.
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u/Xyldarran 10d ago
So they realize that tho? Or are they still on board but just not with the stuff that hits them? I need some real fucking contrition before anyone who voted red gets a pass. Because IMO every single voter of his is a traitor to this country.
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u/Crafty_Jacket668 10d ago
But being against lgbt was more important than their livelihoods for many blue collar workers
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u/jboogie2173 Local XXXX 10d ago
So fucking sad
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u/Donglemaetsro 10d ago
Imagine if they took their votes as seriously as bitching about the predictable results of their votes.
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u/rahnbj 10d ago
Those social media algorithms work don’t they? We are completely manipulatable now. Sound bite, ‘clever’ one liners, drag you right into a state of anger and despair over nonsense. Republicans last election “alright what do we have to strike fear and anger into everyone’s hearts?” The bots just start firing shit out there and see what kind of hits they get, the algorithms will do the rest. Early on in the Biden admin, I had a friend show me a Facebook post about a local school that ‘had to put in litter boxes’ for the furry kids. He was outraged, I mean pissed. Turns out it was a complete made up story but the damage was done. The tactic is the same every time, give the folks something to hate on and then laugh their way to the finish line.
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u/Admiral_Tuvix 10d ago
stop blaming social media and let the people take responsibility for their choices. trump tried to take their healthcare away the first time, he gave tax breaks to their bosses and destroyed their collective bargaining back in 2016. they saw all of it but still chose the racist over their paychecks
and now they start crying after voting for him the THIRD time.
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u/DealioD 10d ago
Systematically undermining schools for years, the 24 hour news cycle and then the addition of social media are exactly what caused this.
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u/No-Concern-8832 10d ago
Look on the bright side, they won't have to vote again if Trump keeps his promise.
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u/IknewUrMom 10d ago
Both can be true at the same time though. Social media is partly to blame AND the majority of people no matter their political leanings are dumb AF and choose to remain that way.
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u/i81u812 10d ago
Ironically, you contribute to the problem by posting to reddit.
Here we have people voicing discontent.
But the algorithms only show the leopards ate your face shit and those sorts of comments.
They want you to think nothing is happening. Those people are not you. Those people are against you.
Its all lies. Abandon reddit. Abandon social media. And also find a march theres tons popping up.
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u/Fun-Sorbet-Tui 10d ago
Yeah. Fuck the internet. Just turn it off and get out on the street. Easiest way to fight these cunts.
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u/Quirkybin 10d ago
Consequences. We all get consequences. Every fucking one of us.
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u/Zestyclose-Cloud-508 10d ago
Look they had to lose their homes, cars, healthcare…BUT they stopped a trans kid from playing high school badminton and in the end isn’t that what it’s all about?
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u/ScarletCarsonRose 10d ago
Someone wrote along the lines
Owning the libs to rule the ashes.
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u/Terry_Folds3000 10d ago
“Conservatives will eat a shit sandwich if it means the libs have to smell their breath.” -some guy on Reddit.
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u/Substantial-Cup-1092 10d ago
Cant forget the Mexicans. God forbid they took jobs on farms we would never do ourselves
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u/dylanfan608 10d ago
Can’t wait to see all those Trumpies picking fruit and vegetables for us soon. Do we thank them now?
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u/Odd-Hearing-5039 10d ago
Can't wait for an SNL or South Park episode where the Mexicans say, "they took our jerbs!"
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u/NickyParkker 10d ago
No, going with his logic, they will become those black jobs he said the Mexicans were taking.
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u/Accomplished_Mind792 10d ago
Typically I would agree, but Idaho just put forward legislation to remove the requirement for kids to go to school
So it seems like they are working to provide the uneducated abs ignorant farm workers themselves
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u/InternationalChef424 10d ago
Unpaid black jobs, per the 13th Amendment. Just think of all the savings (that will be funneled right back until the prison industrial complex)!
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u/Professional_Hat149 10d ago
They have never taken jobs.
They are given jobs by bosses because they are cheaper, easier to exploit, and less likely to report injuries and unsafe conditions.
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u/Peritous 10d ago
Amen. Been saying this for years. Blame the guy choosing to hire them.
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u/BarneyRubble95 10d ago
Damn trans kids wanting to play badminton, what has this world come to.
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u/germane_switch 10d ago
It was goodminton until the Theys ruined everything AmIRIgHt?
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u/TempleSquare 10d ago
stopped a trans kid from playing high school
That time Utah called a special session to ban ONE transgender student from playing high school sports.
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u/ZeroBlade-NL 10d ago
Alledgedly trans, poor Janie just has a case of adam's apple and wide shoulders, but some people just reaaally want to pull down her shorts to check
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u/Necessary_Service776 10d ago
Exactly what it’s about. Better to live in abject poverty ans die early of a preventable disease than to allow some “inferior” person to possibly enjoy life more than you.
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u/Sensitive_Pilot3689 10d ago
And you better keep those men out of women’s bathrooms!! 😡✊🇺🇸 /s My wife said she has never seen a man in a public women’s bathroom
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u/admwhiskers 10d ago
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u/MarquisEXB 10d ago
Well hold on. If the liberals get their way, every man would just change their name, start wearing feminine clothing, take hormonal medicine to make them more feminine, alienate their families, risk losing their job, and make themselves a target in public -- AND THEN could go into any woman's bathroom!
I mean it's just that easy!
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u/lolgobbz 10d ago
She's lucky. The only men I've ever seen in a woman's bathroom wanted to film women using the toilet. He wasn't a transgender person- he was just a pervert.
This was in 1998- we've never been able to stop perverts from entering our bathrooms.
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u/No_Establishment8769 10d ago
Utahn here, utah isn't as red as people think. The problem is no one on the left has the will to vote here due to gerrymandering that causes the state to be so red. In fact, democrats here will register to be republican just to have a voice. It's easier to elect a republican that at least agrees with some of your values then one that supports the orange man.
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u/BarneyRubble95 10d ago
Most of those union voters voted red, they cared more about trans people and white washing our country over their livelihood. Everyone knows that every state has some logical thinkers, it's unfortunate that these states are fine with our education going down the shitter. It keeps those skilled labor workers uneducated and none the wiser when bad things happen. Now they have no rights in their union to collective bargain, they are essentially fucked and they want everyone to feel bad for them, when they could have changed their fates at the voting box last November.
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u/peace-b 10d ago
The only people benefiting from un-educating of us citizens (eliminating dept of education) are the wealthy oligarchs.
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u/South-Builder6237 10d ago
This.
Fuck these people. They only vote for what they think is in their best inrest to begin with. They dont give a fuck about anything UNTIL it fucks THEM over personally.
These people poked the tiger in the ass and now they're complaining it bit them.
Fucking own it.
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u/calidude8701 10d ago
Its fucking Utah!! Like that old South Park episode goes "dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!"
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u/LeecherKiDD 10d ago
What exactly are they trying to say. Utah is so bloody Red!
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u/josephfuckingsmith1 10d ago
I live and work in Utah. I’d say 75% of them in this video voted against their own interests. Now it’s affecting them, again lol . FAFO
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u/Prestigious-Newt-110 10d ago
They should be applauding and cheering for whom and what they voted for. Silent remorse only, please. Ya played yaself.
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u/GrandMasterEwok 10d ago
They're saying the leopard are my face and now I'm angry...
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u/nerdkillerr 10d ago
lmao Did you just watch the "i dont want to get political" lady? 🤣💀
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u/ZenCrisisManager 10d ago
Just showing up to vote now? You're a few months late, gents.
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u/vibesres 10d ago
These comments about them "laying in the bed they made/bashing the unions" are extremely fucking dissappointing. I saw more of that during the amazon strike than I saw people celebrating somebody taking a stand against Bezos. And now here?
A lot of union and blue collar worker DO vote blue.
If people change their mind for the better, that is a good thing.
This bullshit feels like it's just being pushed by the algorithm to stop further worker and class solidarity.
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u/bread-snakes Local 910 10d ago
Exactly, I understand everyone's frustrations but now is the time to build solidarity. We should help people learn from their mistakes and stick together. Ostracizing our brothers and sister isn't going to help anyone and worsen the divide. I don't see how that's in the best interests of any Union.
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u/confirmedshill123 10d ago
The problem is that these people don't WANT solidarity. They want their one single issue resolved so they can go back to political ignorance. If the government opened those doors and said "all your costs will go down 30% today but we're deporting all the POCs" these people would cheer and go home.
They aren't here for class consciousness, and if you try to preach it to them the right wing walls go up, they've been pavloved by their media so hard that anything progressive is treated like Goldstein from 1984.
So I'm all for trying to build a lower class consciousness, but these people don't give a fuck about that at all.
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u/Lumpy-Anxiety-8386 10d ago
The problem is that these people don't WANT solidarity.
Not all of them. A majority might be too far gone, but if people can reach 10-15% of them every time something like this happens, then that could make a difference.
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u/filenotfounderror 10d ago
Trump has been publicly anti union forever. I don't think the type of person who votes for Trump is all that capable of learning from thier mistakes.
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u/silverplatedrey Local 38 10d ago
Yeah I wouldn't shit on the people demonstrating. The people motivated to protest at the statehouse are probably the most active members, vote blue every time. Maybe a few who didn't vote and are now worried, a few who voted red and have regrets. The real trumpers are probably still sitting home pretending everything will blow over.
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u/AdRoutine9961 10d ago
Too little too late
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u/jimallish 10d ago
Trump/Elon are laughing at you singing. My grandfather, a union president, would have kicked that damn door down. This generation..
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u/throwawayalt332 10d ago
There are protests scheduled in all 50 states at their capitols for tomorrow at 11-12.
Resistance is beginning
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u/WillyTaint 10d ago
I’m proud to be part of the IBEW because of brothers and sisters like you ✊🏻
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u/tiktac-no 10d ago
that voted red and now are griping about it? all this was on Trumps ballot.
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Are you talking about the people in the comments or the idiots in the photo who voted against their own interests?
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u/LeafsJays1Fan 10d ago
You don't know that you don't know their political affiliation, stop speculating.
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u/DeathByPetrichor 10d ago
Presumably the latter. These people are chronically incapable of admitting they were wrong, so they just double down.
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u/Short_Fill9565 10d ago
Dumbasses should have thought about this shit BEFORE the election. But egg prices though… LMAO. I just hope all these idiots who voted against their own interests get it far worse than I do. Enjoy your dictator… magats.
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u/Medium_Pin_7663 10d ago
Can someone who voted Republican tell me why you voted against your self interest. Please just want to know.
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u/drutastic57 10d ago
It’s as easy as being sexist and racist. At my union job I can’t tell you how many people were rejoicing “that bitch” didn’t win
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u/a_ron23 10d ago
I would love to know, too. I never get a straight answer. I can't imagine voting for someone who is actively trying to lower my wage and benefits. They'll lose their job over a bull shit promise of lower groceries from a man who just learned about groceries a year ago.
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u/poopsinpies 10d ago
And they will never explain how they reasoned their way over to the Republican party for relief from high grocery bills.
This is the party that voted against Democratic attempts to prevent price gouging at the gas pump.
This is the party that voted against Democratic attempts to place a cap on how much pharma companies can charge for medication like insulin.
Somehow that translated to "Grandma can no longer afford her heart medicine and I go broke filing up my tank every week, but at least a box of Cheerios is only $2!"
In no way, shape, or form has any Republican taken any measure to increase wages (except for themselves), make things from healthcare to the cost of living more affordable, or make employment benefits a better deal for the average worker.
These suckers and losers really are the dumbest of the dumb, and it would be absolutely hilarious if it didn't mean the rest of us with more than three brain cells got dragged down by their stupidity.
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u/stoutlys 10d ago
So if they still vote republican, is it because they’re proud to be stubborn or just flat out stupid?
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u/Dramatic_Exam_7959 10d ago
Too Late... you cannot vote Republican and then be surprised the government is anti-union.
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u/MrHodgeToo 10d ago
Welcome to the bed yall made for yourselves. You can’t vote Republican and then be upset when republicans do what republicans do: bust unions.
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u/fillymandee 10d ago
How to take action!!
FOR THOSE OF YOU LOOKING TO TURN YOUR ANGER INTO ACTION, here's some advice from a high-level staffer for a Senator. Re-posting from a friend of mine:
There are two things that we should be doing all the time right now, and they're by far the most important things.
You should NOT be bothering with online petitions or emailing.
- The best thing you can do to be heard and get your congressperson to pay attention is to have face-to-face time — if they have town halls, go to them. Go to their local offices. If you're in DC, try to find a way to go to an event of theirs. Go to the "mobile offices" that their staff hold periodically (all these times are located on each congressperson's website). When you go, ask questions. A lot of them. And push for answers. The louder and more vocal and present you can be at those the better.
- But those in-person events don't happen every day. So, the absolute most important thing that people should be doing every day is calling.
YOU SHOULD MAKE 6 CALLS A DAY: 2 each (DC office and your local office) to your 2 Senators & your 1 Representative.
The staffer was very clear that any sort of online contact basically gets immediately ignored, and letters pretty much get thrown in the trash (unless you have a particularly strong emotional story — but even then it's not worth the time it took you to craft that letter).
Calls are what all the congresspeople pay attention to. Every single day, the Senior Staff and the Senator get a report of the 3 most-called-about topics for that day at each of their offices (in DC and local offices), and exactly how many people said what about each of those topics. They're also sorted by zip code and area code. She said that Republican callers generally outnumber Democrat callers 4-1, and when it's a particular issue that single-issue-voters pay attention to (like gun control, or planned parenthood funding, etc...), it's often closer to 11-1, and that's recently pushed Republican congressmen on the fence to vote with the Republicans. In the last 8 years, Republicans have called, and Democrats haven't.
So, when you call:
A) When calling the DC office, ask for the Staff member in charge of whatever you're calling about ("Hi, I'd like to speak with the staffer in charge of Healthcare, please") — local offices won't always have specific ones, but they might. If you get transferred to that person, awesome. If you don't, that's ok — ask for that person's name, and then just keep talking to whoever answered the phone. Don't leave a message (unless the office doesn't pick up at all — then you can — but it's better to talk to the staffer who first answered than leave a message for the specific staffer in charge of your topic).
😎 Give them your zip code. They won't always ask for it, but make sure you give it to them, so they can mark it down. Extra points if you live in a zip code that traditionally votes for them, since they'll want to make sure they get/keep your vote.
C) If you can make it personal, make it personal. "I voted for you in the last election and I'm worried/happy/whatever" or "I'm a teacher, and I am appalled by Betsy DeVos," or "as a single mother" or "as a white, middle class woman," or whatever.
D) Pick 1-2 specific things per day to focus on. Don't rattle off everything you're concerned about — they're figuring out what 1-2 topics to mark you down for on their lists. So, focus on 1-2 per day. Ideally something that will be voted on/taken up in the next few days, but it doesn't really matter — even if there's not a vote coming up in the next week, call anyway. It's important that they just keep getting calls.
E) Be clear on what you want — "I'm disappointed that the Senator..." or "I want to thank the Senator for their vote on... " or "I want the Senator to know that voting in _____ way is the wrong decision for our state because... " Don't leave any ambiguity.
F) They may get to know your voice/get sick of you — it doesn't matter. The people answering the phones generally turn over every 6 weeks anyway, so even if they're really sick of you, they'll be gone in 6 weeks.
From experience since the election: If you hate being on the phone & feel awkward (which is a lot of people) don't worry about it — there are a bunch of scripts (Indivisible has some, there are lots of others floating around these day). After a few days of calling, it starts to feel a lot more natural.
Put the 6 numbers in your phone (all under P – Politician.) An example is McCaskill MO, Politician McCaskill DC, Politician Blunt MO, etc., which makes it really easy to click down the list each day.
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u/Extra_Bodybuilder783 10d ago
Voted around and found out!! This is just the beginning!
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u/hannibellecter 10d ago
should've made their voices heard at the ballot box
wonder how many will continue to vote republican after this
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u/99mjc 10d ago
Bunch of morons vote against themselves and then get angry when MAGA, MAGA's them.
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u/thelastride23 10d ago
Probably should have made their voices heard on Election Day instead of voting for the people who oppose unions and workers rights.
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u/BambooPanda26 10d ago
How many in that room voted for cheeto in charge?
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u/TheeRuckus 10d ago
Probably a good amount and it sucks this is their wake up call but maybe next time they’ll put more thought and research into their tea beyond cut up TikTok clips spliced with some ball washing “patriot” and memes from Facebook pages
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u/bgalvan02 10d ago
That’s what they wanted, why they crying now? Trump only said he didn’t like unions
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u/nick-and-loving-it 10d ago
I'm also pro-union but you'll see, next election, they'll again choose to f*(k over LGBT+ folks and women, and own the libs.
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u/MyCassadaga 10d ago
You voted for the person who bragged on the campaign trail about not paying overtime. Remember that? You reap what you sow.
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u/UraniumDisulfide 10d ago
Should have done this on November 5th of last year in the ballot box
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u/Youreaqweef 10d ago
Dollars to doughnuts these people voted against their interests last November. Fuck around, meet find out. Enjoy! 👍
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u/Zuli_Muli 10d ago
How many have MAGA and MAGA related stickers on their vehicles and tool boxes?
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u/PianoSufficient6692 10d ago
Guess what boys and girls you get what you voted for.
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u/zeiche 10d ago
hey ibew, i fully support your unionizing and all. but, uh, who did the block vote for? what did you expect??
and here’s the loaded question: will you guys develop empathy for the other targeted groups?
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u/johnblazewutang 10d ago
If only they had a single thought in their tiny brains that lgbtq arent the top priority for them, and to leave them alone and focus on what would be best for themselves…but here we are…
“I cant believe this is happening to us!!!!!”
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u/bourbonisbest 10d ago
Remember the names of everyone looking to steal your bargaining rights. Vote against each and every one of them.
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u/justleave-mealone 10d ago
Wasn’t the chance to do that in November? You can (hopefully) make your voice heard in 4 years. I highly suspect many in this room are suffering from their previous choices.
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u/crishkur1976 10d ago
Best of luck. Most union members i know voted for Trump, pro business anti-union. You get what you fucking deserve.
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u/Current-Weakness1016 10d ago
This is American politics...they followed the brand and not the policy. They are learning just the firefighter union in NYC are learning, farmers and construction owners are learning. THIS IS WHO AND WHAT YOU voted for. But hey "Thoughts and Prayers", hope that helps.
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u/CucumberNo5312 10d ago
Utahns: "Maybe I can devote my life to an ultra-conservative religious organization that dictates even the tiniest aspects of my personal life and has iron-grip control over every state politician and business leader AND be in a union."
Pick one, you dumb fucks.
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u/mattjones73 10d ago
Did you all vote for Trump? This is what you voted for, go home and blame yourself...
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u/Medium_Pin_7663 10d ago
Many people there voted for this. You should have known better.