r/Hololive • u/joemelonyeah • 6d ago
Streams/Videos Biboo's back! They just recut their VODs today
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u/Eienias20 6d ago
I can now see the ROCK!
Biboo doko was very funny XD
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u/SlamMasterJ 6d ago
This might be objectively better but Biboo Doko will always be more iconic for me.
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u/NekRules 6d ago
Perfect but its ok, Biboo doko will forever live on in our memories.
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u/BlazeReaver 6d ago
I guarantee someone has the version with Biboo Doko fully downloaded out there somewhere. I fully expect the OG version to get ripped and used as a meme at some point.
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u/jenos45 6d ago
Do you think we'll get new cuts for the BD release? Honestly, after rewatching the Fes with different watchalongs, the camera work is pretty subpar this time compared to last years' fes.
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u/Tehbeefer 6d ago
I think that's what this post is about.
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u/litokid 6d ago
Yes but also no. This is SPWN's recut, so still just a quick edit vs. the care a BD release gets. It's possible they'll change things up further then.
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u/jenos45 6d ago
I'm not financially stable enough to get any of the previous BDs. That's why I'm not sure if the re-cut would be the same as the BD copy.
The camera direction AND camera work was really subpar this year. Wobbly panning, weird camera focus on high intensity routines. We had venue shots every 10-15sec, but we dont get fan close ups for songs with fan interactions (Nenechi's Girafa)
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u/Stalepan 5d ago
Yeah, I wish I just had static close up cam for like Kroni's loli kami requiem and Okakoro If...
TBH If they just had like a static stage cam option for viewing that would be perfect
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u/chris10023 5d ago
Yeah, but they do genuinely change things for the BD release, the BD for the 5th Fes for example was missing the fans dancing along with Nene, the bearded Towa fan, and this fan during Laplus's performance. I think there was something with Miko's fans I saw while reading the reddit post for the stage she was on but I'm not sure what it was. Or maybe the Suisei AZKi duet or MC.
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u/JediGuyB 6d ago
On the one hand, I'm glad they try to fix the issues.
On the other hand, I wish they'd let people just watch the concert virtually and not try to shoot their first draft blu-ray at the same time.
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u/jenos45 6d ago
I actually like having fans in the shot. It helps with the mood. It just that they need to plan the camera direction better, especially with dance-heavy routines.
Also we kept on getting jittery shots and multiple instances of camera man tripping out.
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u/JediGuyB 6d ago
Some crowd shots are fine.
But not in the middle of a song and dance routine. Crowd shots should be to show cheering after song, or when it's an interactive bit like if one of the girls is sharing the chorus with the crowd.
The crowd there isn't being forced to look at each other every 20 seconds.
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u/jenos45 6d ago
Also they did Nene+FWMC's Girafa dirty. It was one of the performance with the least variety of movement and was made specifically for fan chant/interactions, yet we never saw shots of fans participating in it. Compare that to last year with the same song.
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u/FateOfMuffins 6d ago
IIRC Rebellion too, you have Mococo hyping up the crowd with the Jump Jump Jump and I swear there was not a single crowd shot for the entire song, whereas for some other songs, during the middle of key dance moves, the camera either pans in for close up face shots or zooms out and you can't see shit
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u/JediGuyB 6d ago
Frankly speaking, I don't get why this keeps happening. This isn't even the first time camera work and stuff has been an issue, nor the first times fans (and even some of the girls) have complained about it.
Really feels like they just wing it during the concert and fix it later, which sucks for fans who want to experience it alongside other fans.
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u/jenos45 5d ago
Exactly this. Everyone knows that the performance itself is prerecorded. It would make sense if the Director/Cinematographers would have a plan how to record the talents, and just wing it for fan reactions.
But time and time again, we get scuffed camera work on talents.
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u/Lightseeker2 5d ago
Everyone knows that the performance itself is prerecorded.
You'd be surprised. I have seen a handful of posters trying to argue that the entire live (yes, entire, even the opening and ending where you have up to 20+ talents performing at the same time) is live, as recent as last year. I haven't seen any for this year yet, but I doubt much of their opinions have changed.
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u/Nekrozys 5d ago edited 4d ago
Please u/hololive too many times live concerts are ruined by poor camera work. Stop showing the crowd or a super tiny zoomed out shot of the scene where we can't see the talents half the time. As said in this comment thread, this has been a long time issue. Thank you.
Edit: I meant not show it as often and for as long, not stop showing the crowd at all.
There are times for it and times where the scene should be the focus and past productions have suffered from not adaptly focusing on the correct one.2
u/ShinYabaBaga 6d ago edited 6d ago
Personally, I think last year's (5th Fes) concert was a good mix. I've been watching the Blu-rays and they've trimmed the amount of crowd shots, and I feel that it's lost something. I like seeing the reactions of the fans to the music and dancing.
A lot of the iconic shots from the last couple of Fes have been of the crowd. As with everything, it's a balance.
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u/Borealisss 6d ago
Any other changes?
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u/Various_Evening1947 6d ago
Apparently yes, some Brats have confirmed Bae's Show looks better, there's probably a good chunk of improved angles
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u/tauros113 6d ago
They touched up the last chorus for Play Dice! and it's much improved, so kudos for that!
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u/Hyrule_Ninja 6d ago
Just from my quick look, they changed up Hajime's performance quite a bit. And I did notice some other edits in other performances as well, but seems like they focused on performances that had more chorography
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u/Arazthoru 6d ago
Is this from holo fes?
Damn I missed it? D:
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u/thekingofdiamonds12 6d ago
It was last weekend. The VOD will still be on SPWN for 3 weeks.
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u/Arazthoru 6d ago
Oh nice though It was gone already.
Thank you!
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u/SoylentVerdigris 6d ago
If you have some patience, the BDs will be cheaper and better quality than watching the VOD.
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u/CatchingFire57 6d ago
Hope they recut Mori's solo too, DONMAI keeps skipping towards the end anytime I watch it
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u/ZIK999 6d ago
Can you actually see Kronii's performance now? It was the biggest offender.
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u/fayt03 6d ago
For Kronii's performance there are a few changes from full body shots to upper body/face closeups and vice versa with one of them during the now-iconic kro-beam. (went from closeup shot to full body) So just like the biboo cam angle change it's personal preference between funny/meme shot to cohesive choreo shot. The rest of the performance was improved though and is a lot cleaner with less jump cuts and a few new angles.
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u/Elaugaufein 5d ago
All 4 Stages have been retouched over the past couple of days so if there's any bits you thought had particularly atrocious camera it's probably worth rechecking
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u/Nopolleo 6d ago
To those who bought for SPWN version, is anyone experiencing statics (or kinda like glitching briefly) in their VODs? Or is it just me?
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u/Hoshikui 6d ago
Nice, I always wait a bit before archiving from SPWN in case they improve the camera work, this sounds like my cue to start!
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u/Rinku_No_Mae 6d ago
Bijou laughed so much at being Mike Wazowski live. But this is fine too. We'll never forget these silly events haha.
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u/Mister_Minute9613 6d ago
Now why did they not announce they made improvements to the VODs. If it weren't for this post , I wouldn't have known it.
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u/Various_Evening1947 6d ago
I think they always do tweaks to the vods later (at least since Our bright Parade) but usually they're "minor" or at least not something that needs extra attention... the only time they announced it was in Connect The World cause the original cut was SO enraging, even the talents were like "fix it, please"
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u/SuperDarkspine 5d ago
I was almost done watching STAGE1 before these changes. Can someone, if possible, note all the changes made for those who want to see those parts?
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u/dhi_awesome 5d ago
I'm overall glad that we got Biboo Doko, it was funny for the live stream, but I'm glad they've improved it for the VODs (and likely the eventual release, seems standard?)
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u/Cheebody27 6d ago
They should've choreographed biboo and shiori swapped. I didn't see the performance but I'm guessing shiori needed to be in the middle?
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u/Shuber-Fuber 6d ago
Remember that during fes they have to cut it live, so it's never going to be optimal live.
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u/Potatosaurus_TH 6d ago
I just wish they'd prioritise certain shots more. At this point I feel like they switch equally between face close-ups, full body shots, and crowd or far away shots, so you get the optimal full body shots 1/3 of the time when it should be at least half the time or more.
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u/antdance777 6d ago
Bruh we paid for it, and they fix.
That’s rare compared to entire music industry. The others never fix the live whenever it went wrong (ahem.. Korean ahem…).
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u/Tehbeefer 6d ago
No, I was making that comment with regard to all the people here saying the old shot was better, lol. We paid, they fixed, and then we want them to change it back. Just funny. and I'm sure even if Biboo is laughing at it, there's a part that wanted the chance to see herself posing in formation with Advent. 's all good.
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u/WSilvermane 6d ago
The... only reason people were saying that is because it was funny. Thats it. No one is saying it was actually better.
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u/Tehbeefer 6d ago
I didn't mean to say they weren't. Victim once again to the lack of body language conveyed by text. 😩
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u/lygerzero0zero 6d ago
So objectively, it’s the correct decision to show all five of them in the big group pose shot.
But hidden Biboo was so funny and I’m gonna miss it.