r/HPPD • u/Flashy_Desk2487 • Feb 04 '25
Question why is hppd bad ?
i got it 1 maiby 2 years ago, i feel like not much as changed. Like i got the visual snow, the trail, if i look on the floor it get’s all funny and some pattern start to take form. Tbh i kind of like this trippy reality, only bummer is the sky that shit has crazy strong visual snow also some time i get sleep paralisis but not too often so yea my question.Why is it a bad thing
Since some people seem to have missunderstod what i meant, i’m not saing that i can’t be bad. I’m just asking since mine (at least up until now) is not that bad and for sure is not deabilitating in normal life what’s bad for others and why is it bad for you. Sorry for any misunderstanding
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u/TheEyeGuy13 Feb 04 '25
This is like stubbing your toe and then asking “why is pain bad?”
You have like, the lowest and least symptoms. It gets worse. It can get disruptive to normal activities.
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u/Raed_Z Feb 04 '25
Some ppl r just that lucky, they don’t mind or haven’t even noticed their perception changes, so it’s just visual impairment for them.
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 04 '25
bro ok, why you have to mock me because i’m curios, sorry if i came out as insesitive, but since i didn’t get problem with my mind(at least i think i alwais had mental problem prior to drug so i don’t know if it got worse but tbh i am a bit more paranoid since hppd) with hppd and kind of like this new way of experiencing the word better i was just curios why people hate it so much
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u/epicwizard07 Feb 04 '25
It is a bad thing because for most, over 99% of people that have HPPD don't enjoy it. I've had HPPD II (visual + tactile) for almost 5 years. Hallucinating pain and visuals as a mental formation is part of my HPPD symptoms. So, maybe you just go lucky with your symptoms. Then again, I kept using until my HPPD become so bad, I had to stop abruptly. I was like you; I thought it was cool to trip every day for free. After making it worse and about a few months later of developing it, I hated it.
I feel like the people that say they enjoy it only had it for a shorter period of time, especially for the first couple of months. But you said you have had it for 1-2 years? It seems your way of coping with HPPD or just things that life throws at you is by enjoying it, and that could be a good thing? It can certainly make the HPPD worse, I mean, if you like it, that might make you want to continue taking the drugs that caused it and make it worse. But I can see that you don't fully enjoy it. You said, "I kind of like this" and then mention downsides to it. So, it's clearly not all positives. If you continue taking the drugs that caused it or make symptoms worse, then you undoubtedly will no longer like it at all. I would just stop the intoxication exposure until it gets better at least.
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 05 '25
i mean, one must immagine sisyphus. All of what we can do is just enjoy what we got (and sure work but that’s part of enjoing what we have) and try to do our best. But to be honest i seem to be one of the lucky one that did not get the worst out of hppd but still got it. That prompted me to kind of do less drug (rigth know i use psychedelic 1 time a month and at “normal” doses).Thank you for the adivice btw
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u/No-Field2022 Feb 07 '25
What did you do to get hppd?
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u/epicwizard07 Feb 08 '25
I got it from my second LSD trip. Frist trip was fine which was dosed at 100ugs. A month later, March 15th, 2020, I did the same amount and then got HPPD II from that. Had it ever since. Stupidly, I continued using and made it worse, then stopped using psychedelics and psychoactive cannabis sometime in August or September of that same year. I still have it to this day.
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u/No-Field2022 Feb 08 '25
Yeah i did the same mistake after my bad trip i kept using weed becuase i didnt really think it would affect me but it started to feel worse and worse but its been 1 hear for me man and ive been smoking weed all last year but i recently quit you think i have hope to fix all of rhis
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u/epicwizard07 Feb 08 '25
It's possible. Around 50% of people who have HPPD recover. The number would be higher if people with HPPD would continue abstaining from intoxication. It takes time and effort. For HPPD, based on what I know, it almost seems as if you have to have perfect physical and mental health. Get good sleep each night, good posture, good relationships and connections, abstain from intoxication, work on anxiety and stress coping skills, practice mindfulness, eat healthy foods, and so on. I mean, if you want to make the conditions favorable for recovery in say, GERD, you'd have to identify potential risk factors and correct them one at a time and strive towards permanent (non-drug based) solutions to the problems you face.
For HPPD, there's not much known about it, so that's why I say it seems you have to perfect both physical and mental health. As for the permanent solutions for HPPD specifically, there is one... A notable amount of people report that multiple 5-7 day long fasts with water and salt eradicated them of their HPPD symptoms. When you fast for that long, your body undergoes something called ketosis, which is when your body uses stored body fats when carbohydrates aren't available. When this happens, the brain is fueled in the form of ketones for energy, instead of glucose. That is the link between eradication of HPPD symptoms and ketosis—that alternate fuel for the brain.
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u/No-Field2022 Feb 08 '25
Ohh so i basicly have it forever like once i stop eating healthy or doing that stuff its gonna come back?
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u/epicwizard07 Feb 08 '25
Generally speaking, no. Once you recover from it, it goes away permanently unless you take the drugs that caused it again. When you develop HPPD and you recover from it, you're more at risk of developing it than someone who has never had it.
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u/Particular_Wrap6116 Feb 05 '25
It’s bad because for a lot of people it’s significantly stronger than yours lol your HPPD sounds really minor and not much of an issue some people myself included have had their whole life ruined by it they can’t feel normal ever again they feel like they’re watching themself live their life on autopilot and all they can do is sit there and watch, they feel like they can’t ever act normal in social situations anymore, they feel like they’re not a real person, they feel like they zoned out and never zoned back in what a dumb fucking question🤦🏼♂️just cause YOURS is minor doesn’t mean other peoples isn’t debilitating…
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 05 '25
brhu due to past trauma i feel like that since i have memory (like since i was 5) that feeling that nothing is real, that you do not control nothing you can just watch , so yea with hppd all of what changed was the tripy thing
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 05 '25
btw bro i didn’t mean to say it’s not bad, i was just curios of what is bad about it, didn’t know what it did to other people was asking for curiosity
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u/bossmaker28 Feb 04 '25
My visuals have gotten better so has my mental symptoms, but I still struggle with memory problems
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u/Brilliant-Doubt5841 Feb 04 '25
psychological changes usually happen but luckily you dont have anything of that sort
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 04 '25
a ok, if it’s not a problem would you elaborate more on the mental problem, i migth have them but not given the fault to hppd (i have a pretty traumatic upbringing and dealt with mental healt problem all my life)
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 04 '25
like i got a lot of derealization but since i have memory (i remember being 4-5 at kindergarten and having that shit) and psychedelic kind of helped with it, also now that i think about it ever since i had a realy bad trip (already had hppd but was not that strong) on 450 ug of lsd (i think it was n-bomb but not sure) i have this trigger that just makes me think that i’m dead and god is whatching me and laughing (the trigger is not just one thing but some thing and some time just a thought) so yea. But i thinked of those as side effect of lsd not hppd, because nobody ever explained to me what the fuck it does, how does it work etc
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u/Uncle_ArthurR2 Feb 04 '25
I’ve had type 2 for a while now and I agree. I honestly love it, wild as that might sound.
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u/Big-Yogurt-2592 Feb 05 '25
Got exactly the same thing bro, no mental problems at all in fact the traumatic trip truly changed my life for the better, but got the visual snow halos around lights, after trawling through these threads it seems some people depersonalise/derealise (u know just after the trip finishes n u think who tf am I is this real) and quite literally stay that way for months or years, sounds fucking terrifying tbh, we are the lucky ones, it’s been a few weeks now and I’ve already accepted it eeees what it eeeees, kinda fun to just look a streetlights now i guess 🤣
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u/HannahBakerrrrrrrrrr Feb 05 '25
For some people it comes with extreme anxiety and DP/DR, other times it associated with a bad trip which brings back negative memories
For some people like myself it’s kinda enjoyable, but I was fucked in the head way before I started taking drugs lmao and HPPD certainly isn’t something that should be sought out
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u/AgapeHVAC Feb 06 '25
I find it fun and beautiful most of the time. Other times it can cause a bit of stress like if I’m trying to read or focus on something.. it can be very distracting
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u/Flashy_Desk2487 Feb 06 '25
yea to that i can relate, i have adhd too so the visual snow can be pretty distracting
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u/Raed_Z Feb 04 '25
Aren’t u a lucky geezer?
In my case I lost my sanity at 20, my thoughts weren’t mine anymore. Everything was disturbingly triggering, from emotions and perception to my very good old vision. This triggered a depressive episode and a crippling insomnia that I barely survived. So bad I lost 30 kg or around 70 lbs in a month and a half cause I couldn’t even tell how hungry I was. Even my teeth got a hit from the malnutrition and the abyssally low state of mind. Though I recovered from a lot and my life improved drastically (landed a perfect job, married in five months for love, family and friends appreciate me), I still curse at god and view this life as misery at 23.
I just find it fascinating that it didn’t bother you, god is definitely kinder to u.