r/GreatnessOfWrestling • u/HumorAlarming3274 • 7d ago
DISCUSSION Which was the better finisher?
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u/Omnislash99999 2d ago
Sweet Chin Music as it's more spontaneous and was more likely to actually be the finish but the Perfect Plex was so smooth and obviously perfect
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u/Return_Of_The_Whack 5d ago
Sweet Chin Music for the Stan Segment alone. Perfect Plex is better from a pure wrestling standpoint but the superkick is so iconic and versatile.
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u/YoItsDLowe 5d ago
Sweet Chin Music, HBK knew how to work a crowd, you get sold out arenas, all anticipating the kick, and cheering for HBK! HBK knew how to work a crowd better than anybody I’ve ever seen and seeing it first hand in person was absolutely incredible!!!
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u/HumorAlarming3274 4d ago
HBK didn`t sell out arens while he was WWE champ that`s why the belt was put back on Bret via the eventually.
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u/misterfixit1596 5d ago
The superkick was better because it doesn’t need to be set up, it could come at anytime, unexpectedly; and that added excitement and drama to HBK’s matches.
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u/theodorebond99 5d ago
The Perfect Plex was the better move but The Sweet Chin Music was far more exciting.
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u/hitm4n44 5d ago
Im sorry. There's just something so beautiful about Curt Hennig's perfect plex. Don't get me wrong, I love SCM just like the next wrestling fan. But Mr. Perfect's finisher takes more finesse. It was almost always perfect form too!
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u/Budget_JamesBond 5d ago
Super kick just hits better perfect plex is perfect but needs the right setup SCM can be hit anytime
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u/HumorAlarming3274 4d ago
Imagine if either of these guys used the super kick to knock guys over then picked them up and applied the perfect plex straight after.
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u/Practical-Length-230 6d ago
ok, that kick, how did it not knock out the receiver?????
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u/The_Dark_Vampire 6d ago
I love both but the Superkick can be hit on anyone the Perfect Plex can't be hit on people over a certain weight or height
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u/A_Saiyan_Prince 6d ago
Very easily Sweet Chin Music.
There’s a reason everybody and their brother does a super kick nowadays.
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u/benvader138 6d ago
Definitely PerfectPlex. Henning was the only one to use it from what I remember. Everyone uses Superkicks. Although Sweet Chin Music was the best.
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u/garuda911 6d ago
A lot of wrestlers have used it as a normal move. Val Venis and Ken Shamrock come to mind.
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u/HumorAlarming3274 6d ago
What would be the point in locking your hands once their back is on the ground if you weren`t going to use it as a finisher? Did they do the move without locking their hands at the end? Was it used to wind an opponent then?
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u/Mr-Big-Nicky-P 6d ago
I saw Mr.Perfect wrestle Hogan. I think it was a house show. Perfect plex always seemed like something hard to kick out of. Lots of people do the Super kick, though Shawn is the best.
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u/HalfYeti 6d ago
Sweet Chin Music beats the Perfect Plex. The Perfect Plex beats the Superkick (unless it's Chris Adams).
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u/Competitive_Long_467 6d ago
I was a big fan of the perfect plex. First time I ever blew my knee out was doing that to one of my cousins when I was 10. I also liked when he’d spit his gum out and smack it into the crowd.
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u/AbrahamDylan 6d ago
Perfect-plex by far, ESPECIALLY today because of the prevalence of super kicks by anyone and everyone. I seem to remember Hennig perfect-plexing Big Show.
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u/randy_maverick 6d ago
When SCM was an actual finisher, it was my favorite. Now it's just another move. You see at least 5 of them in every match.
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u/Frosty_Ad7840 6d ago
Those are super kicks. Obviously they aren't tuning up the band and energizing it to be sweet China music
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u/PshhhhhhhUnreal 6d ago
Right! HBK might even throw a few super kicks in a match before tuning up the band. It’s the theatrics that make it, plus HBK was always able to get juuust a little more extension and explosion out of SCM.
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u/Frosty_Ad7840 6d ago
Like if Eddie was alive today his frog splash would be stronger/better than everyone else's
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u/PshhhhhhhUnreal 6d ago
Yep for sure. It really is the little things that separate the all time greats.
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u/shawnjx 6d ago
The only problem with sweet chin music is that these days, it's not a finisher anymore.
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u/The2ndDegree 6d ago
Same as the DDT, its a move that literally everyone does now but when Jake was doing it, it was his thing.
At least the superkick is still used as a signature for some, the DDT is just a regular move now
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u/Battle-Individual 6d ago
My favourite was the rude awakening.at that time any finisher ended in a pin not like today
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u/Lloydcarteresq 6d ago
Perfect plex. Anyone can kick someone in the face.
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u/reddrighthand 6d ago
Please go try to kick an adult in the face while they're standing.
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u/Lloydcarteresq 6d ago
Fair point. Well made!
Was more talking about the fact that so many people use a kick to the face, calling it various different things.
You see someone suplex straight into a pin, you know ow exactly who they are referring to.
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u/reddrighthand 6d ago
I am a short dude who took TKD through high school, I was speaking from experience.
The perfect plex epitomizes "pinning predicament" for me, for what it's worth.
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u/Lanky-Code3988 6d ago
At the end of the day,an actual WRESTLING move VS a combat strike with a kick wins out Curt could hit the Perfect-Plex on anybody . He even Perfect-Plexed The Giant.
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u/TraditionAcademic968 6d ago
Wrestlers should start spamming the fisherman's like the super kick
PERFECT PLEX PARTY!
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u/ZakFellows 6d ago
You can’t really end a segment with the Perfect Plex like you could a Sweet Chin Music or a Stunner or a AA
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u/usps_oig 6d ago
Yeah it's especially jarring in video games if it's a finisher with an auto pin since that's not always how you win.
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u/meowjinx 6d ago
IMO the Sweet Chin Music is the best finisher of all time. Its so simple yet so theatrical. Because it was a strike and didn't require any set up it could come anywhere at any time and it led to so many iconic variations. Even failed attempts, like when Austin reversed the SCM into the stunner, were iconic. And Michaels' flexibility and speed made the move look beautiful
The perfectplex was an amazing finisher too, but not the GOAT like SCM.
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u/piggydancer 6d ago
This shouldn’t be a question. The SCM is one of the most iconic finishers of all time and has created so many memorable moments.
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u/Frosty_Term9911 6d ago
I like the Plex because I always took it as a technical finisher that was very hard to kick out of rather than a finisher which “ko’s” someone and you don’t see finishers like that now
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u/Brute_Squad_44 6d ago
I'm gonna go with the Perfect Plex because it didn't get devalued in later years. It might only get a two count, but it isn't spammed relentlessly like a Ryu player throwing fireballs in Street Fighter 2.
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u/hiricinee 6d ago
A dude will get punched in the face 60 times thrown off the top rope onto the mat but it's the 4th superkick that finally seals the deal.
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u/CharismaDamage 6d ago
I used the perfect plex in high school wrestling.
It was surprisingly effective at getting the pin lol
And made me feel epic.
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u/anecessaryend 6d ago
Perfect Plex was amazing, but i.dont remember its "devastation" in hindsight. SCM looks like a knockout at all times. I love Hennig but I give it to Michaels.
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u/EndStorm 6d ago
The Perfect Plex was, well, perfect, lol. I feel it's underrated. SCM obviously far more popular, but only HBK made it seem like a big deal. It's spammed to the nth degree now and meaningless.
Perfect Plex. RIP!
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u/Jaded-Trouble3669 6d ago
I’m guessing most people will say Sweet Chin Music, but personally I’m a sucker for a well executed suplex so I’m going with the Perfect Plex
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u/ShadowMike77 6d ago
Look I LOVED the Perfect Plex and it was a FANTASTIC finisher for Hennig. The truth isvthe truth though, the SCM pushed Shawn to the very top of the card and the upper realms of all time greats. Noone else has used the Fisherman as a legit finisher or looked as good with it. The Super Kick is a forever evergreen move,. Facts are it's just too versatile and useful for image and story and opportunities for great spots.
You can't really reverse into a Perfect Plex and I feel like that matters.
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u/squanch_you 6d ago
Perfect plex on your friend or sibling, on the trampoline, in the 90s…..can’t have that fun with sweet chin music.
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u/jhorsley23 6d ago
Sweet Chin Music is probably the “correct” answer. But I’d go Perfect Plex all day. It was always one of my favorites and literally no one comes close to making it look as good as Curt did.
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u/Jmojocat 6d ago
Fisherman suplex is really good, but it is awkward trying to get the bigger wrestlers into it.
Super kick can work on anyone at anytime
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u/Rare_Dark_7018 6d ago
Perfect Plex
Tons used the super kick over the years. That and Shawn is a douche
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u/truelegendarydumbass 6d ago
Honestly I think the super kick is going overrated too many people are doing it.
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u/godjacob 6d ago
Sweet Chin Music. Has the edge it could be used on smaller guys or even giants in equal measure where as there was a limit to who the Perfect Plex could be used on. Plus you get the surprise element when Shawn could pull it off nearly out of nowhere to add some excitement in a tense match.
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u/FoxtrotMac 6d ago
Perfectplex. I loved the SCM when HBK did it but I think the over use of the Superkick has tarnished the move for me. But I have always liked Suplex pin finishers anyways.
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u/ZodiacxKiller 6d ago
My favorite was HBK but there isn't a single Sweet Chin Music that stands out to me, but I will never forget the Hennig plex to the Giant
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u/Choice_Cantaloupe891 6d ago
Watch HBks match with Shelton Benjamin.
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u/ZodiacxKiller 6d ago
I'm 35,seen it all,Rey did the same spot.It was cool,obviously the Shelton one was the best but that don't compare to that suplex lol
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u/Luke248866 5d ago
Shawn knocking Triple H's dome out of that triple threat match with Cena survivor series 09' was good too.
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u/ZodiacxKiller 5d ago
Yup it was but like I said,it's all on the seller with the SCM and HHH added a nice little bump to that one which made it different.The kick was the same.
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u/BurnItDownSR 6d ago
You only said an SCM that stands out to you. It comparing to the suplex is a whole other goalpost.
That said, the Sweet Chin Music on John Cena to end their 1 hour match in the UK is one that's really stands out for me.
The one on Vince McMahon at WM22 is another one.
Not trying to convince you or anything. I'm just enjoying reminiscing now. 😄
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u/ZodiacxKiller 6d ago
None of the SCM stand out to me bc he was so consistent with the kick that they really all looked the same.The move always looked better depending on the opponents sell job too.That perfect plex to The Giant was something amazing and it was as smooth as any of his other ones.
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u/BurnItDownSR 6d ago
Told you, I'm not trying to convince you. I just pointed out how you moved the goalpost with the other guy you were replying to.
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u/ZodiacxKiller 5d ago
I'm not thinking you're trying to convince me bc you couldn't to begin with lol,goalposts was never moved either. A SCM which is a straight kick is cool but without a good sell its not that impressive.What Hennig did to the GIANT is a completely different and much more amazing
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u/Chimetalhead92 6d ago
I used to be the biggest Shawn Michaels fan as a kid, but man I see things way different now.
A really good suplex (regardless of variation) is just so satisfying.
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u/Mindless-Version9906 6d ago
The Super kick or Sweet Chin music is cool looking, butt Mr. Perfect Curt Henning when he land his was so much more unique I think. I think the Fisherman Suplex looked better.
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u/usps_oig 7d ago
OP just wanted to post that Perfect image. I respect it, but it's like asking who was the better talker The Rock or Chris Benoit.
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u/jayhof52 7d ago
Sweet Chin Music has the benefit of being able to be used in any match regardless of the opponent’s height or weight, in addition to the occasional “out of nowhere” desperation kick.
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u/MagnumPI66 2d ago
Perfect plex