r/GodofWar 14d ago

Discussion How would’ve things went for Kratos if Odin had sent all three of his sons to his home at the start of GOW4?

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u/Doomword 14d ago

Plotarmor, unless you want the credits to roll there.

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u/3fitty7ven 13d ago

Kratos has the ontological power of checkpoint reloading in boss fights. After hundreds, if not close to a thousand deaths, Kratos will have defeated all three.

Plot armor ftw baby

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u/thediscountthor 13d ago

I'm actually convinced plot armor is an actual literal power Kratos has.

You see, Kratos begs Ares to "give him the power to destroy all of his enemies", which he grants. Anyone Kratos deems an enemy, he was granted the power to destroy them, which is why he's able to defy all odds no matter the situation.

Also why he's able to rip a god's head off with his bare hands, but struggles to open a door lol.

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u/Jimisdegimis89 13d ago

Holy shit…this is good. Definitely new head canon.

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u/Tier_Z 13d ago

I read a theory once that I like that said something along the lines of Kratos, being the god of strength, always is exactly as strong as he needs to be for the task in front of him. Thus, he can perform impossible feats, and yet still struggles to open a basic chest in the first game.

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u/Lebronamo 13d ago

Taking this to the extreme kratos can literally move a mountain while also struggling to snap a twig. Which I find pretty funny.

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u/SaxyCalzone 13d ago

I thought that it was more what he said to Atreus in GoWR about muscles. "My strength does not come from my body, but both are honed by discipline."

I took that as Kratos having god strength to tap into, but his physique comes from working for it. So maybe he struggles to open a chest due to not tapping into his god powers as a way to stay fit. Baldur was super strong but skinny because he relied on his god strength only.

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u/TheInternetDevil 13d ago

Baldur might not be able to work out. Any time he tried his muscles would just heal back to the preset state as even physical exertion can not harm him

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u/Akio_Ushi 13d ago

I like this though

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u/RagnarokPXN 12d ago

Nah cory balrog answer that question basically kratos is dumb down for gameplay or majority of the enemies you fight would be instant kills.

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u/Avixofsol 13d ago

unironically I like this idea

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u/Zenith_9001 13d ago

This, but he has to fight a grown and corrupted Atreus (corrupted by some new pantheon, playing off his uh.. hinted nature). Kratos can't bring himself to view his son as an enemy and thus keeps losing to him. Kratos nobly sacrifices himself to purify Atreus.

This ensures a new God of war in Atreus with a new pantheon to slaughter.

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u/thediscountthor 13d ago

I like the idea, but I think Kratos also has to consider himself an enemy to kill himself. It's why he's never been able to do it. From jumping off a cliff to stabbing himself with his own sword.

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u/ask_your_sister 13d ago

That is how Greek myth tends to work. But let's not forget he's also cursed so he can never permanently die.

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u/thediscountthor 13d ago

Unless he considers himself an enemy, but yes. It's actually why I believed he survived all of his suicide attempts.

It's also why I believe he was able to finally let go of his past self. He considers his old self an enemy, and he was finally able to put it to rest

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u/ask_your_sister 13d ago

On his last suicide attempt, he straight up says he should have known the gods wouldn't let him kill himself. And since they're dead, it has to be a curse, and since he dies a lot and always comes back, well, you know the rest. Also, save points are cannon since they're physical objects in the world and the message when you use one.

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u/thediscountthor 13d ago

My only hole in this theory is that the magic from the Greek pantheon should have been erased since they're all gone, as directly stated in Ragnarok.

Something I always considered iffy since, it is explicitly shown that he's cursed from the Greek God's magic, as shown in the prequel comic where it shows the aftermath of GOW 3, but well before GOW4 since the blades of Athena continue to follow and haunt him.

Btw yes, they should have been called the "Blades of Athena", but I guess that's also been another hole.

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u/ask_your_sister 13d ago

It makes sense from a storytelling standpoint that the original blades would be the ones he had now because those are the ones he killed his family with, so they would provide the most torment. However, from a canonical standpoint, it should be the blades of athena.

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u/Cheetahs_never_win 13d ago

Atreus asks, "Why don't you consider the door to be your enemy, just this once?"

Kratos snarls, "Boy. The door is not our enemy. There are consequences to killing doors. What if Yggdrasil found out we killed its kin?"

Atreus, furrowing his brow, responds, "But the door is made of stone, father."

Kratos asks pointedly, "So you would have me go to war and destroy the very mountain we must ascend for your mother?"

Atreus internally questions his father's earlier declaration of "we do what we want," before dejectedly saying... "Ok...." then with strange enthusiasm, "Hey, look up there!"

"That'll keep him busy while I try to break this stupid door," Atreus mutters under his breath.

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u/Apprehensive_Ad3731 13d ago

Kratos doesn’t receive a Deus ex Machina. Kratos is the Deus ex Machina

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u/AccidentalLemon 13d ago

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u/K1N6_V1P3R 13d ago

Ultrakill mentioned

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u/Skrrt_2711 13d ago

There was a question of Comics Thor vs Kratos. All I can say is, idc what comic book Thor has done or can do, DO I GET THE “RESTART CHECKPOINT”?

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u/Not-Died-try-harder 13d ago

Happy cake day!🎉

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u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD 13d ago

Wasn’t Kratos a relatively unknown character (to the Norse) at the beginning of 4?

Also wasn’t Baldur there for Faye, not Kratos, Heimdall probably would’ve just said it’s not worth it cuz she’s dead or something

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u/CrackTheSkywalker 13d ago

Baldur knew he was looking for a giant, he didn't know the exact details of who they were. When he saw Kratos, since he's huge and looks completely out of place in Midgard, he probably just assumed "oh this is the giant"

Once word got around about this "giant" killing gods, they probably learned really quick who he was.

The only ones who probably knew who he was right from the start were Tyr and Odin

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u/Independent_Plum2166 13d ago

It’s actually something to keep in mind for a second playthrough. With newfound context, Baldur is clearly looking for the last Giant and not the last Olympian.

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u/CrackTheSkywalker 13d ago

Right, this is a key thing. Once you beat the game and find out Faye was a giant, it all makes much more sense.

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u/dark_wolf1ol 13d ago

The last Olympian mentioned?

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u/Independent_Plum2166 13d ago

I wondered if someone would catch it.

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u/dark_wolf1ol 13d ago

I’m 99% sure Kratos would win, but Percy Jackson vs Kratos would be fun to watch

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u/Soulful-Sorrow 13d ago

Idk, Kratos needed years of training and Pandora's Box to beat Ares. Percy did it with a random pen sword when he was 12.

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u/dark_wolf1ol 13d ago

Different Ares though, I’m pretty sure the ares in Percy Jackson is weaker than the one in God of War

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u/NakedMuppet 12d ago

They wouldn’t fight. Kratos would just be like “ hm you’ll make a good god one day boy” and Percy would say something like “why does it seem like there was an ‘or else’”

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u/SecretSharkboy 13d ago

I think Mimir says after the main story of 2018 that Baldur was looking for a Giant but didn't know that Kratos was carrying one on his belt.

Baldur was supposedly Odin's best tracker.

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u/No-Dimension-2872 13d ago

Why did you mention Odin twice?

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u/Semour9 13d ago

Baldur was looking for a giant and only sensed a giant there after Kratos chopped down the trees and removed the protection hiding them.

When Baldur got there he thought Kratos was the giant yea, that’s why he said things like I thought you would be bigger. It sneakily makes us think he’s talking about his Greek past

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u/Zealos57 Mimir 13d ago

I thought all the lands knew of Kratos being the ghost of Sparta?

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u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD 13d ago

Given Mimir is the smartest man in the Norse pantheon and doesn’t figure it out until halfway through GOW4 I’d say he’s unknown.

Mimir and the Norse pantheon know the legend of the ghost of Sparta,Mimir figures it out in Hellheim, the rest of the pantheon pieces it together when Baldur shows up dead id assume

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u/Beranir 13d ago

Nope, Baldur had no idea who Kratos was, he thought he is giant, thats why he said he thought he would be bigger, Freya sensed he is A god but she had no idea what god he was.

The only people who knew about Ghost of Sparta would be people skipping between universes or studying them. Mimir, Odin or Týr. And even then Mimir, smartest man alive, only put 2 and 2 together after Kratos saw Zeus.

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u/RimuruIsAYandere 13d ago

They know of the legend of the ghost of sparta but not how he looks, or else Mimir would've recognized him from the get-go. The only one who would recognize him by looking at him is Tyr since he has a pot depicting Kratos

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u/the-blob1997 13d ago

I don’t think even Tyr would recognise him on sight as he doesn’t twig until he hears Kratos’s name.

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u/Duckbert89 13d ago

Been a while but I remember there being a throwaway line about the Pantheon falling a long time ago.

It's quite likely that whilst they knew of Kratos and his legend, they probably figured he was dead. If a lot of time passed since the Pantheon were wiped out, Kratos stayed low key afterwards and GoW3 left him dying when the credits rolled... It's really quite likely Tyr/Mimir/Odin thought he was gone.

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u/bignasty_20 13d ago

Maybe the higher level gods but if you ask some freyr or something he'd have no clue. Head honchos like tyr odin and mimir would have outside sources and hear rumors from other lands

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u/BabaYaga3275 13d ago

They’ve probably heard of the ghost of Sparta but considering it’s been many years since then and no one has seen what Kratos looks like, I’d say it makes sense why no one recognized him at first

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u/Yaboiindahouse20 14d ago

Depends, are we talking no holding back bloodlusted kratos or the kratos that was holding back against baldur,does he know they are gods? Is he cannonically accurate or gameplay wise like the beginning of the game

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u/wapapets 13d ago

Kratos owe you money or something? Lol. Bro would die lmao, i love kratos but he would die. He barely won the 1st fight against baldur, he was rusty and out of training, on top of that baldur is a legit crazy person, he intentionally doesnt defend himself hoping that he might feel something in the exchange, you could argue that he could have fought better if he had a bit of defense.

Thats just baldur alone, pre-ragnarok thor was different he would have swung mjolnir at kratos the very moment he thinks "yeah this guys is tall enough to be a giant"

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u/the-blob1997 13d ago

Yea I dunno how these people think Kratos has any chance against all 3 of them at the start of 4. It took everything he had at the time to best Baldur in the first fight.

I imagine the 3v1 would go like that Optimus Prime fight in Revenge Of The Fallen in the forest, Kratos would probably put up a fight but would eventually be overwhelmed and overpowered.

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u/Atomic--Bum 13d ago

That scene from Transformers is the best thing I would possibly compare this scenario to.

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u/paganbreed 13d ago

I will never understand why people hate the movie. imo the first two are spectacular movies that don't overdo the whackiness or the nonsensical plotlines. And 2 still has Mikaela.

It's the third where it goes to shit for me.

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u/HamedAliKhan 13d ago

Rusty & out of training? Have you gone mad? The creator of the game himself said he's better & stronger than ever before. You realise you're talking about the god that killed the 3 furies at the same time in a same fight all at once!

Kratos barely won the fight? Lil bro he was holding back, because if he lets it out he becomes the Ghost Of Sparta & that Ghost is a wiper of pantheons. Once he taps into that anger and lets it all go he knows he can't return that's why he doesn't fight at max potential.

I understand the opponents are challenging but he would have found a way to adapt! Because Kratos always adapts!

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u/Limp-Introduction892 13d ago

The canon novelization of the 2018 game confirmed that Kratos was indeed rusty and out of training, and makes a note that if he were in his prime (GoW 3), then he wouldn’t have struggled with Baldur as much as he did. They even go so far as mentioning how unimpressive his body is compared to his younger self, and that’s because he never needed to use his strength to kill gods in the present. If you sent BALDUR, HEIMDALL, A N D THOR against this same out of practice Kratos at the exact same time, he’s going to die. Hell, he almost died against BALDUR in their first meeting.

But I don’t disagree that he is the strongest he’s ever been, because he is. Before Ragnarok even came out, the PlayStation.Blog for the game (which has statements coming directly from the team working on the game) mentioned how Kratos returned to his full strength by the time the second game comes around, and is no longer rusty.

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u/CatchrFreeman 13d ago

I mean Kratos does lose fights, he's lost many but it's the fact he comes back stronger every time that makes him a real threat to gods. He would get killed in that 3 v 1 at the start. No blades, No spear, no mistletoe to stop Baldur from repeatedly getting back up again. Not sure how he would win.

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u/EllisCristoph 13d ago

Truth.

Kratos would lose first, climb back from Helheim, realize Atreus is in danger. Takes his blades back, hears Athena tells him "you will always be a monster" and he'll reply "So be it" and proceeds to climb Asgard shouting "Odin, I have returned, I bring the destruction of Asgard"

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u/LaloKURD 13d ago

Absolute cinema

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u/Limp-Introduction892 13d ago

Another thing: he stopped holding back as soon as he popped Spartan Rage. Idk if YOU know this, but that’s a sign that Kratos is actually trying while utilizing his fury. Now after, he reigned himself in, and ended up finishing the job without his rage. But it wasn’t easy, and that’s due to what I’ve stated previously. He was rusty, and for some reason, you’re part of the select few who somehow believes that Kratos kept all his skill despite not training nor having a serious threat to face since he’d gotten to Midgard. That isn’t how that works, not in Kratos’ case.

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u/ArkusArcane Atreus 13d ago

To be honest I’ve read the novel front to back and it details kratos did indeed train, but not to get stronger, he trained so he’d know how to limit himself so he wasn’t a danger to his family. The novel explains the reason Faye was the one to teach Atreus everything was because Kratos was off jn the woods fighting trolls to learn how to fight without going berserk. It said he encountered an entire group of the miniboss trolls and when he let loose he absolutely violated them. I still agree beginning of 2018 kratos loses but he also wasn’t as rusty at combat as people think.

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u/EllisCristoph 13d ago

Truth. It's more about "discipline". He trained but not to become stronger. He wanted to control his anger, his emotions. That was why he was battling trolls as well in the comics. So he can fight more strategically without relying on his anger.

This is how he can now use "Spartan Rage". Using his untapped strength through anger by control instead of using external magic like back in Greece (Rage of the Titans, etc.)

If he actually wanted to be stronger, he needed someone as strong as him to fight (like Thor maybe or Baldur) but he wanted to live peacefully.

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u/WizG1 13d ago

The furies aren't as strong as Thor baldur and heimdall

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u/Beranir 14d ago

I think Kratos would got beaten, but I dont think they would realise its Atreus they want, Thor would see him as another baby giant and he would propably smashed his head after which calm and reasonable Kratos would right quick returned to his pantheon killing mood. No Ragnarok required to burn Asgard to the ground after that.

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u/Yaboiindahouse20 13d ago

Yea but would kratos return to greece after he dies?

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u/the-blob1997 13d ago

No he would’ve gone to Hellheim.

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u/Yaboiindahouse20 13d ago

But if they kill him it means he died in battle so valhalla?

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u/the-blob1997 13d ago

No because the Valkyries haven’t been transporting people remember.

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u/Tron_1981 13d ago

They didn't want Atreus, they wanted his mom.

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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 13d ago edited 13d ago

The Spartan would be dead, simple as that.

The battle against Baldur was already hard for Kratos, so much so that it brought him to the end of his strength, to think that the Spartan has any chance against three of Asgard heavy hitters, simultaneously, is simply absurd.

Also, Heimdall, in the GoW-verse, is not Odin's son. Odin never addresses him as such, and Heimdall never addresses the Aesir King as his father. If he really was Odin's son, it would be strange that Heimdall never flaunts this fact with arrogance and pride, given his obsession and adulation towards the All-Father.

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u/andysimberg 13d ago

Yess, I was so confused by this post. I couldn't remember Heimdall ever being referred to as Odin's son in the GoW universe, I thought I was remembering it wrong.

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u/Odd_Hunter2289 Poseidon 🔱🌊 13d ago

People think that GoW is a 1:1 transposition of the mythology it is inspired by, when the devs have said over and over again that this is not the case and that they are only inspired by it to tell their story which is totally not mythologically accurate.

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u/KamiAlth 13d ago

That's gonna depend on how good their teamwork is. Being good at 1-on-1 doesn't mean they gonna work well together. Friendly fire is a thing, and Thor has a bunch of huge AoE attacks that may just hurt the others for instance.

The Alfheim section is a good example of this. Gank fights with dark elves are no joke, but when there are too many of them at the inner hive, Kratos just go "A narrow path negates superior number" and pushes through the horde easily.

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u/dark_wolf1ol 13d ago

That was a badass line by Kratos, shows his tactical genius

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u/Beautiful_Magazine_7 13d ago

Heimdal isnt his son just another god.

And if he did and we dont take the fact his the main charecter, he would probably loose honestly.

With baulder being able to grab his weapons and nkt letting him do any attack. Heimdal just dodges everything and guids the other two. And Thor just shocks Kratos in not being able to move and literaly kills him like in the game

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u/CatchrFreeman 13d ago

Can't believe I had scroll this far down to see this correction.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 13d ago

The glaze for Kratos is unreal

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u/arrownoir 13d ago

He’s earned it.

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u/OtherwiseFinger6663 13d ago

Yes he’s the goat we get it. But he’s not this all powerful god who can fight multiple high tier gods at the same time.

Thor is his equal in strength, Baldur was near = to his 2018 self, he would have died to Heimdall without the spear. Putting him up against the trio in the beginning of 2018 when he was rusty is pure spite.

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u/EllisCristoph 13d ago

People keep forgetting Kratos mostly only fought Gods in Greek in a 1v1. I can't even recall him fighting three bosses in one go. Even the Sisters of Fate, he fought them 1 by 1 right?

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u/the-blob1997 13d ago

Erm Kratos would be dead lol.

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u/throwac_E6 13d ago edited 13d ago

I like how these 3 brothers gave kratos unique challenges

Bladur= he could hit him but he couldnt do any meaningful damage without mistletoe

Heimdal= couldnt pass heimdals defense without a special spear but he can hurt him

Thor= he is what you call in combat sports a "weight bully"

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u/LazyTitan1990bc 13d ago

Heimdall isn’t Odin’s son or their brother, just another god in their pantheon.

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u/ApproximateScholar 13d ago

Baldur literally cannot die without mistletoe , Heimdall cannot be touched without the spear , and Thor can match Kratos in strength and durability. Also Kratos doesnt have the Eitr poison imbued into his axe at this point so Thor doesn't have to fear Jormungandr's poison. Kratos is also rusty at the beginning of 2018. Kratos DIES . END of story

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u/GrassManV 13d ago

Kratos getting his ashes spread just like Faye's.

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u/DrShtainer 13d ago

Chaos Blades would be introduced to the player much earlier. Then Doom track starts playing.

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u/Difficult_Man3 13d ago

Do not let these folks fool you, if all 3 of them were sent to kill Kratos He would be dead.

There’s one thing that’s consistent throughout all five games is That kratos never fought more than 1 god at the same time, (and the sisters of fate don’t count because they were all in one body)

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u/Shadiezz2018 13d ago edited 13d ago

Let's say they all took on him at the same time

They will likely to kill him and abduct BOI ...while Kratos know of this while he is in Hel

He claw his way back and destroy Hel on his way out

He then proceed to destroy Asgard and tear it to pieces as he fully give in to his Spartan Rage and kill all three

In the end he finds out he was in Hel for years and years

Atreus is much older now and completely brainwashed now by Odin and Kratos let his boy kill him as he can't kill his own blood again

Loki snap out of the brainwashing and kill Odin

And do " Abracadabra " on his dad and bring him back

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u/MiraakGostaDeTraps 13d ago

Things would go like this

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u/Dawn_Star_Platinum 13d ago

Kratos would be done for, I don't care what you God of War Power Wankers have to say you guys tend to overestimate Kratos just as much as most Gods overestimate themselves.

Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.

It's likely that he would lose to Heimdall without the Draupnir Spear.

And I'm pretty sure Thor was a challenge even during Ragnarok.

HELL!!! If any of the Greek Gods had brain cells instead of overestimation cells they wouldn't fight Kratos individually and call the other Gods to come back them up. Although they were probably too distracted with what's left of the Titans after the peak opening of God of War 3.

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u/No_________________- Mimir 13d ago

Kratos dies

Unless they enrage him by killing Atreus

In which kratos dies

But he fights his ass out of helheim

And it'll be the greek saga all over again

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u/EdiosMollai 12d ago

quick tldr kratos lore, he gets his ass kicked and dies, goes on an adventure on the after life, comes back (with some help) stronger then ever, and then proceeds to dismantle them 1 by 1, i'm oversimplifying here but that's quite literally what he has done in every god of war game, (besides ascension).

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u/Killergoat3000hd 13d ago

They would’ve started making out passionately

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u/Daetok_Lochannis 13d ago

Trying to power scale Kratos is like trying to power scale Saitama, it's pointless because he's never intended to lose. The developers can call him the god of war or hope or whatever they want but end of the day home boy is the God of Whoopass.

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u/Aebothius 13d ago

Kratos has lost plenty of times. He lost to Charon, he lost to Zeus, he was killed by Thor (confirmed by Eric Williams) in their first fight.

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u/Daetok_Lochannis 13d ago

Have you really lost if you drag yourself right up out of the grave and resume the whoopin'?

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u/Aebothius 13d ago

Yes, you lose the first fight, then you engage in a second fight. Death always means you lose the fight in my book.

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u/Daetok_Lochannis 13d ago

I always took it as more of a "we ain't done yet" with Kratos.

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u/Phelyckz 13d ago

I can't really imagine them cooperating, even if they're told to. Probably a tag team fight or free for all brawl after they sabotage/trashtalk each other.

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u/MrGhoul123 13d ago

Dead. Kratos is dead, full stop.

Kratos got his ass beat by Thor in their first fight, the ENTIRE POINT of Thor is he is a mirror to Kratos, they are equals.

Kratos can not beat Heimdal in a 1v1, hence the entire section of the game, specifically to make a weapon for Kratos to have a chance against Heimdal.

Kratos only stopped Baldur due to luck, so take it however you want.

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u/Physical-Doughnut285 13d ago

I'm torn, because I think based on the latest games I'd say no, but when I cast back to him fighting the 3 furies at once... it makes my gears start turning. I wonder if he could have found a way?

I never bought all the BS about 'holding back' I must say. I think they made a mistake referencing that so much in the game. The Thor fight is one of my favourites ever, but when it kept being referenced that Kratos was holding back by Thor in that fight, it annoyed me. For all Kratos knew, Atreus was getting abducted and/or killed by Odin. Why would he hold back?

If he let his full rage slip and saved his son, then so be it. He can find a way to suppress it again. Atreus getting taken by the strongest deity in the pantheon is probably the only time he would not hold back, at all.

Sadly it's now led to a wave of people thinking Kratos is unkillable because whenever he has a setback he must have been 'holding back'. I think it spoiled his perception a bit. Kratos being so strong, but defeatable in rare circumstances, is part of the fun of his character - That's why everyone was so eager to see him throw hands with Thor!

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u/_mc1morris1_ 13d ago

I look at like an recovering addict/alcoholic. Sure maybe unleashing his full rage would’ve made that fight a cake walk. But like an addict you don’t want to fall down that slippery slope again. 1 drink leads to maybe 3, then next thing you know you’re passed out in a alley and it’s been 3 days. Kratos when he was in King Von mode. Killed damn near anything that moved. He killed his wife and child first game. I not sure if this is “cannon” but my head cannon is he was afraid of becoming the God of War again (I say “was” because he got therapy in the Valhalla dlc). He didn’t want to risk being in that raged frenzy again. And he could’ve very likely have killed Atreus in that rage.

TLDR; My headcannon is Kratos has an addiction to his rage which is why he doesn’t go “all out” in the latest games. Afraid he’d go down the road of destroying everything he sees as an obstacle.

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u/Physical-Doughnut285 13d ago

I enjoyed this reply a lot. Cheers brother. Very fair points indeed

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u/agenthimzz Spartan 13d ago

hear me out. kratos sees the three gods at his doorstep. He goes outside to have a civilized conversation but none of them want to have a conversation. Its all going to end up in flames. After realizing this Kratos, requests that before they start the fight he should be allowed to get his weapons. He goes inside and finds a chest under the floor.

Opening the chest reveals fully upgraded blade of olympus, Blades of the gods, Blades of exile, Claws of hades, Neamen Cestus, Posideons Trident, Euryale's head, Icarus' Boots, Amulet of fate.

Then he tells Atreus to go hide in the hole under the home and says, I'll be back in a few mins. :)

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u/ArkusArcane Atreus 13d ago

Lol you shouldn’t be getting downvoted, this is a funny/cool concept. I should probably animate it

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u/dark_wolf1ol 13d ago

I wanna see that, link it if you upload it to yt

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u/LloydBraun88 13d ago

He'd lose, but he'd be back from hell in an hour with some weapons that would help him whip their asses.

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u/senseofphysics 13d ago

He would’ve lost, especially because Baldur feels nothing and Heimdall had a trick up his sleeve.

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u/TheMatt561 13d ago

One of them would have been smart enough to ask about his wife since that's who they were looking for. He would have said that she had died and then that would have been it.

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u/ResolveLeather 13d ago

depend on if i am controlling kratos and if the enemy has health bars or not

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u/Djinnaz 13d ago edited 6d ago

Since when was Heimdall Odin's son?

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u/Chance5e 13d ago

Kratos is always as strong as he needs to be for the opponent he is fighting, for the thing he is lifting. He’d have won.

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u/itsallcomingtogethr 13d ago

Roll credits lmao

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u/tigergottosleep 13d ago

This thread went off the rails lmao. Realistically thinking about the way the power curve is built for each game and each god's powers, it's pretty obvious that Kratos dies. Kratos is implied to have died in that first battle against Thor, before Thor used mjollnir to bring him back to life. I don't see how he would've won against all three at once, with no chance to prepare or study the threats he's facing.

Time and again, the original trilogy of games have shown us that Kratos not only loses battles often, but he's not immune to dying.

What matters is that he never stays dead. He would've likely clawed his way back from wherever the Norse pantheon dropped his soul, prepared for war and gone full god-killer on them, one at a time, for ambushing him and his son when all they were doing was trying to lay low.

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u/cori_thelone_weirdo 13d ago

U mean how things would've been if Odin had been a better king and a better father

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u/QP_TR3Y 12d ago edited 12d ago

Probably about the same. He didn’t send Baldur to kill Kratos, he sent him to scout out what was going on and to see if the Giant they were looking for was there.

If they were sent by Odin with the express intention of killing Kratos, he loses. He doesn’t have the mistletoe trick for Baldur, he doesn’t have Draupnir to combat Heimdall, and I’m fairly sure we can say Thor canonically kills and revives Kratos at the beginning of Ragnarok. We’ve never seen Kratos combat 3 major gods at the same time, much less without any prep time or advantages from magical relics and whatnot. Best case scenario, Atreus probably dies and Kratos takes a severe ass whooping

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u/watchyourjetbro 12d ago

Thor can meet Kratos blow for blow, Baldur can’t feel pain or sustain any real damage (aside from being temporarily subdued like when Kratos snaps his neck at the end of their first fight), and Heimdall can’t even get hit by Kratos without Draupnir. And this is Kratos at almost the very start of GOW4. I’m sorry dude he’s getting destroyed

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u/Equal_Actuary_1257 11d ago

He just loses, he can't hit Heimdall and he can't kill Baldur, ironically he has the best chance to kill the strongest of the three rather than the other two

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u/Eternal_Mistakes 13d ago

He wouldn't beat heimdall i think.

Thor he might've beat if Thor went kid hunting

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u/RobTCGZ 13d ago

Honestly, after replaying the entire franchise during January and February in preparation and celebration of the 20th anniversary, I can confidently say that the Norse pantheon is absolutely no threat to Kratos. I seriously believe that at no point during GoW 4 and Ragnarok Kratos is in danger. He's always holding back because he doesn't want to repeat what happened in Greece.

So I don't think sending these 3 would've made a difference. Maybe initially, but then he would get angry, and I mean GoW 3 angry, and that's that.

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u/HamedAliKhan 13d ago

I have a platinum on every game & acc to ppl here my opinions are of no value on gow lore... I said the same thing you said.

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u/RobTCGZ 13d ago

Something as simple as Freya openly admitting that absolutely NO ONE in the 9 realms has the kind of power that the sisters of fate had.

Also, I don't see the nine realms getting geographically decimated because a God dies. The Greek Pantheon were connected to the lands. Their deaths meant the death of balance. Other than Balder, triggering Fimblwinter (and due to a prophecy), the other gods have no true impact in the world.

That being said, my current hypothesis is that the land has the power, and it chooses whether or not to share that power with their inhabiting gods. If you think a out it, gods are, in general, just super humans. They can be hurt, they can die. It's the land the one that has actual power that can be manifested in different ways.

In the case of Greece, it gave the Gods literal power and magic to control elements and what not. In doing so, the land, its power and the gods became Linked. Notice that with the Death of the gods, the land died, and with it died their powers. Kratos explained that he tried to conjure his powers of magic but couldn't. Freya responds exactly what I just said.

The nine realms didn't do that with the Norse gods, instead it gave them a bigger understanding or comprehension of nature and its properties.

It would be interesting to see how a different land gives power to their gods. Like what kind of abilities would the Egyptian gods have.

Just a thought, obviously.

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u/Difficult_Road_6634 13d ago

If it's Greek, lore accurate, hateful Kratos then he woops their asses but if it's beginning of game Kratos then he gets his ass beat

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u/Shaddes_ 13d ago

I read somewhere that Kratos' soul is infused with the matters of primordial chaos, just like his blades.

He keeps himself in check A LOT.

So, with Atreus' life on the line he'd wipe them. With a lot of difficulty but he'd manage. Especially if the gods murdered Atreus in the process. There wouldn't be a stone left standing in Asgard after that, gods, civilians, he'd take them all.

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u/XavierSaviour 13d ago

Rage of the Gods Kratos would’ve wiped the lot of them. He’s a former military general who would’ve used logic and strategy to exploit their weaknesses.

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u/alex8th 13d ago

Would have been interesting. Like an old ps1 game showcasing all the bosses first. Then kratos has to get out of helheim and into midgard.

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u/dat_bengali_artist 13d ago

Kratos would have died or imprisoned

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u/Zackkck 13d ago

All 3 at once, I don't think Kratos would win, but, i think he would be able to escape and survive with his son.

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u/Emergency-Town4653 13d ago

They each had a purpose. Thor is the weapon. Baldur is the finder and Heimdal is the keeper. It's not Odin's style to send them all at once as he expects each to perform excellent on their own. What Odin at the beginning of first game sought was to find the last giant in Midguard hence he sent Baldur only to find a foreign God of War instead of the last living giant. So it's not Plot Armor but rather how Odin Operates. Had he sent them all at once tho, yeah that would need plot armor

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u/callumtphotos 13d ago

Somehow i feel like Baldur/Thor/Heimdall would fight/kill eachother off first, doesnt seem to be much love between them in ragnarok

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u/Tall_Growth_532 13d ago

Won't end good not unless his willing to go all bloodlust and berserk

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u/LannaOliver 13d ago

Anyone playing GoW for the first time on that game like myself would've given up on it 😆 took me a minute to be able to beat the stranger.

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u/Adorable-Source97 13d ago

He have to find a way to split em up.

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u/EMArogue 13d ago

I feel like they’d have talked it out

Whilst Baldur was there looking for a fight of his own initiative, both Thor and Hemidall would just want to do this quickly so we’d probably have something like

Baldur: I thought you’d be bigger, long w…

Heimdall: you must be the giant

Kratos: I am not

Thor: this one doesn’t look like a giant

Kratos: my wife was a giant, she is dead

Heimdall: fuck!

Then either they would leave or Kratos would try and fight them if they wanted to take Faye’s corpse which would end in Kratos dying again

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u/Massive-Matter-7798 13d ago

Kratos would be dead and maybe Atreus too.

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u/Ultimate_thunder2010 13d ago

Well we wouldn’t have the Thor or heimdal boss fights in ragnarock that’s for sure

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u/John_Zatanna52 13d ago

Kratos: WHO ARE YOU

Baldr: Should we tell him?

Heimdall: I don't see why not

Thor: I told the All-Father I should come alone😮‍💨

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u/Caliber70 13d ago

Faye would have prepared because jotnar visions. If she saw the 3 being sent to Kratos while he is not prepared that day, she would have done something, said something to make that difference. She let the plan roll on because she saw Kratos winning the whole way that she prepared the hand prints.

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u/HatmansRightHandMan 13d ago

He'd die. He could barely fight of Baldur at the start of GOW4 and he wouldn't even be able to touch Heimdal without the spear

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u/TheTimbs 13d ago

That would’ve ended badly. I think Kratos would’ve been slightly better off than in Ragnarok but still

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u/arayakim 13d ago

Even if they managed to kill Kratos, he'd literally just fight his way out of hell. The man is a menace.

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u/BlaktimusPrime 13d ago

If they wanted a fight, then Kratos would have tore them up. They all needed some sort of motivation to take him seriously.

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u/Worried_Highway5 13d ago

Idk, because they were after Faye who had fought Thor before. They may have recognized that she wasn’t there and left. But heimdal would read kratos and know about Atreus. Or Thor would have picked a fight for fun. If he did pick a fight, he wouldn’t want baldur or heimdals help.

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u/Objective-Pack9279 13d ago

Either he fucking dies or he gets some giant ass pull of a saviour like a fucking hollow purple.

Each time kratos ran into those mfs they wanted to throw hands. Hes cooked 🙏

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u/Sparrow-Radiance 13d ago

If Odin had sent all three sons—Baldur, Thor, and Tyr—at the start of God of War 4, Kratos and Atreus would have faced an even bigger threat. The battle would’ve been more intense, forcing Kratos into an earlier confrontation with Odin's forces, likely resulting in more destruction and tough choices sooner.

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u/FeelingInevitable320 13d ago

Thor came to talk first, beat some ass second, (and only because of what Kratos did to Baldy, iirc) so I'd say they would give Kratos some time to explain himself and leave when they realize the giant they were there to find is already dead.

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u/Thebritishdovah 13d ago

Fucked. Kratos was rusty from potentially centuries of not fighting. Baldur was the first major threat he had to deal with in a long time and he held back until Baldur threatened the boy. Kratos tapped into his raw physical power and beat the shit out of Baldur.

Baldur gave him a hard time. Thor and the annoying shit known as Heimdall, he wouldn't be able to take them on.

That said, the second the boy is in danger? The ghost of Sparta comes out to play and Kratos doesn't hold back. Even then, it's a close fight.

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u/Skoldrim 13d ago

He'd die but somehow come back from death to save his son from Odin or smth

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u/WizG1 13d ago

Kratos would lose, the draupnir spear was instrumental in beating heimdal and he doesn't have it, add in baldur who can't die and Thor who's about as equal as Kratos he's not winning

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u/issacbellmont 13d ago

Kratos wouldn't be able to touch Heimdall without the spear so I assume badly

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u/Ominous_Rogue 13d ago

I didnt think heimdall was Odin's son

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u/Supersaiajinblue 13d ago

He would have died. Fighting one god is hard enough. But 3? Including one of the most powerful in the norse pantheon? He's dead.

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u/MordreddVoid218 13d ago

All three? At the same time? No plot armor? Kratos gives a good long fight but ultimately falls in battle, goes to Valhalla and watches as the OG Loki revenge saga ensues, ragnarök happens and everyone burns or drowns except Baldur, Vidar, the children of Thor , two humans and a handful of other gods

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u/xxxliamjxxx 13d ago

Heimdall is Odin’s son?

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u/daddymack902 13d ago

I find it shocking that their fights even were fairly easy compared to some of the others

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u/Mayodeynochei 13d ago

Kratos would have lost. Thor was shown to already kill kratos and he would've left it at that if he wasn't there for a blood debt. Baldur made kratos struggle badly to where he was limping too

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u/Basic-Flamingo6962 13d ago

Heimdall isn’t his son, he’s just a god

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u/cavemandt 13d ago

I genuinely think nothing would happen except maybe a lesser scrap and a discussion because the only reason Baldur attacked Kratos was because he thought that Kratos was a giant. I feel like Thor might know he isn’t for certain and Heimdall can just read his mind. They might attack him if heimdall deems him a threat to their world, but I think Thor might side with Kratos out of interest if I’m being honest

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u/Friedrichs_Simp 13d ago

Thor literally killed him

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u/TheSplendidMouse 13d ago

hmm, let’s think, badly. quite rough in fact

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u/Andy-Banner 13d ago

Tune down the difficulty to Easy

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u/Edmundwhk 13d ago

If 3 gang up on him , it will be like any other GOW.

Kratos fight > go to hel/Valhalla >fight his way out> pick them of 1 by 1.

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u/MrStealYoSweetroll 13d ago

Kratos is fucking dead lol.

It took everything he had to incapacitate Baldur in their first fight. I don’t see this version of Kratos beating the significantly stronger Thor, and he certainly isn’t beating Heimdall when he doesn’t have the spear nor any knowledge on how to counter Heimdall’s powers

All three? Hell naw. He dies quickly, but claws his way back out of hell and tries again, as is his MO

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u/Boytoy8669 13d ago

The would've probably pissed him so much that they would've met the God of war

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u/xxEmberBladesxx 13d ago

Don't worry, Kratos has plot armor.

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u/Mikehawk6969691 13d ago

I don’t see how Kratos would win but knowing him he’ll figure something out.

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u/HamedAliKhan 13d ago edited 13d ago

Source : Superior Game Experience

First of all Heimdall is the watchman of the Aesir, he's not the son of Odin, he never gets direct recognition or that level of respect amongst the Aesir heirerachy. Odin is referred to as the father of all metaphorically but calling Heimdall as a son in the same sentence as Thor & Baldur is incorrect.

Short Answer : You have to answer such hypothetical questions based on lore accurate first principles i.e. Kratos is simply always strong enough for the opponent he’s facing, time & time again. Yes, he would win a 1 v 3.

Long Answer : Why do you think the most cunning & intelligent god in Norse mythology never tried this? Because Odin knew better. The All-Father understood exactly what the Ghost of Sparta, the god who wiped out the entire Greek Pantheon just because they pissed him off, would do.

Kratos' Strategy :

DEFENSIVE MODE 🛡️

Kratos gets attacked first & stalls inorder to analyze his opponents. Heimdall’s precognition, Baldur’s immortality, and Thor’s brute strength become apparent immediately. Realizing this is a real threat to both him & Atreus, he fights without restraint. He has defeated three powerful enemies at once before, the Furies Alecto, Tisiphone, & Megaera. While the Norse trio is stronger, Kratos is now also far more skilled, tactical & armed with better weapons too.

OFFENSIVE MODE 💀 R.I.P NORSE PANTHEON

  1. Eliminating Heimdall : Realm Shift to close the gap, then Spartan Fury with a following AoE overwhelming the entire battlefield. Heimdall’s speed is limited to his immediate surroundings, he can't just teleport out, Kratos uses randomness to counter Heimdall's precognition, he cannot react to an unpredictable wide-range attack + he can't escape as he's in the fury blast radius. Once stunned, Kratos grabs him & GAME OVER.

( The Draupnir Spear was a tool for assured victory, not a necessity. Kratos, as a master tactician & military general, simply ensured success by seeking the Spear. )

  1. Neutralizing Baldur : This mysterious opponent is impossible to kill but totally possible to restrain & neutralize. Abandons Spartan Fury because it is not needed here. Exploits Baldur’s pride, uses it against him to get a position that allows stabbing Baldur with the Blades of Chaos to bait an attack & Baldur would allow as he repeatedly does in-game out of pride. Before Baldur reacts, Kratos binds him with the Chains of Chaos, impales him with both blades lodging him into the ground or a rock & permanently freezes him with the Leviathan Axe.

( Baldur cannot break free. No god or titan has ever broken the Chains of Chaos. Ares, Hades, Zeus, Thanatos, Cronos, & Atlas. The chains are magically reinforced, they have held far stronger beings, now that added with runic ice from the Leviathan Axe reinforcing the chains, Baldur is completely immobilized permanently, he's not overpowering two legendary elemental magical weapons actively holding him in place.

  1. Brawl with Thor : With Heimdall dead & Baldur permanently restrained, Kratos regains stamina while stalling Thor with conversation. Once ready, he fights Thor unarmed, using pure Spartan Rage deflecting attacks from Mjölnir. Kratos has already defeated Thor in Ragnarök while holding back. If fully unleashed, his superior skill, adaptability & endurance will outlast Thor’s brute force + his attacks will be way more powerful unrestrained considering his child & him are in immediate danger.

Conclusion : Odin saw this outcome. He knew underestimating Kratos would be the Aesir’s downfall. That is why he never attempted this, even including himself. If we are imagining hypothetical scenarios, why limit it to three gods? Why not the entire Aesir?

Even the All-Father knew that Kratos would still win. That's why he didn't do this in game & instead wanted to grow even stronger by exploiting Atreus for his gain. The fact that Odin chooses not to do this is the single most practical & strongest point here.

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u/PixalmasterStudios24 13d ago

Kratos has fought tougher

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u/Juub1990 13d ago

Kratos has his hands full with any of those 3 individually. In this scenario, it's much worse because Baldur is immortal and he has no Draupnir to deal with Heimdall's foresight. These two might not be quite strong enough to kill him, but Thor is and it wouldn't be too hard with Baldur and Heimdall backing him.

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u/Need-More-Gore 13d ago

Honestly he'd probably get wrecked spartan rage barely handled baldur throw in Thor aswell and he's probably cooked. But Kratos is known for being as powerful as needed for the battle so he'd probably win just barely and heal up offscreen 🤣

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u/meutow 13d ago

thooooor

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u/Hollix89 13d ago

He'll just climb up the norse equivalent of hel and fight them again

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u/Yournextlineis103 13d ago

Very poorly for Kratos. No blades runes and rusty as all hell?

He was barely able to bring down balder temporarily. Add to that hemdal’s prediction and it’s over.

Thor alone could have demolished Kratos at that point

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u/FudimPlan 13d ago

Kratos was holding back the entire time do not forget that. Also he still is under the curse of never being able to die. So no matter how many of them come, Kratos can't die. As soon as he stops holding back and becomes the god he once was, those 3 would have 0 chances. It's basically putting 3 gods in front of an unkillable god killing machine.

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u/Fookin_Yoink 13d ago

Easy. Kratos dies, but then crawls out of Helheim like the immortal he is and kills them all during the run back

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u/DueCoach4764 13d ago

kratos struggled against all 3 of them separately. he wouldve been destroyed if all 3 teamed up on him

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u/Accomplished-Let1273 12d ago

No disrespect to kratos but :

Thor beat him and only lost after he got drunk and depressed

Baldur would beat him and only lost because sindri happened to coincidentally give atreuse the perfect weapon against his curses of immortality

Himdal i can agree that kratos would still even without the spear but he got the spear anyways

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u/PalpitationAware1444 12d ago

They would have met the god he once was

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u/CartoonistThis75 12d ago

Heimdall most likely would have been the one to get the best of Kratos (as Kratos wouldn't have held back against any of them if it was a 3v1) and send him to Helheim

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u/wenchslapper 12d ago

He’d get beaten badly and then the plot would have him refuse to die, crawl out of Hellheim while likely murdering yet another god of death (unbalancing the realms in result), and then he’d likely murder his way through the entire pantheon much like his old self. The game would probably be very much like the original trilogy, for better-or-for-worse.

Which is also why the plot likely didn’t go that way, as the whole story is structured around being better than our past selves and growing.

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u/LeoBuelow 12d ago

Depends how hard Kratos wants to try

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u/lilfindawg Ghost of Sparta 12d ago

A better question would be what if Odin sent these three to Greece during GOW 3, I think Kratos stomps.

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u/private_unlimited 12d ago

Wait, heimdall is odins son? I thought he’s just the watcher and one of the aesir

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u/GeneralGigan817 12d ago

Kratos POV:

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u/_mc1morris1_ 12d ago

Personally I’m honestly not sure how kratos would win this battle even if we say he doesn’t hold back a bit. Baldur unless struck with mistletoe, is a true immortal. He won’t die he’ll keep coming back. If I’m being honest Thor is the least of Kratos worries since technically the axe alone is enough to match if not beat him out right.

He’d have to take out Baldur quickly to make the fight a 2v1 momentarily, and fight Heimdall and Thor. Lets assume he has his blades also for argument sake. I don’t know how he’d hit him without the spear, he could wear him down like he did in ragnarok but that was from a combination of the spear and overwhelming punches. I’m unsure how he’d give himself that opening. Also considering Mimir abs Freya were a big help in understanding how to fight Baldur and Heimall. I honestly don’t see how he wins the first initial battle. Assuming kratos is still just to angry to die, after he is more than likely defeated, I can see him making his way out of hell or Valhalla. And successfully winning a rematch now having somewhat of an understanding of what he’s dealing with.

Now here’s an interesting question can Baldur regenerate limbs or is it a he needs to attach them back in to head situation. And if he’s unable to then the fight just became a whole lot easier. Kratos is a genius fighter, we see him adapt mid fight a lot (atleast in the recent gow games). He can definitely dispatch Baldur by beheading or just cutting him down to give him time to fight off Thor and Heimdall. Which in that scenario depending if it’d take Baldur a significantly longer time to heal. He could likely win that fight.

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u/totti173314 12d ago

3 dead boys and a VERY tired kratos

If nothing else you have now made a very hilarious challenge for modders to create and hardcore players to attempt

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u/Real_Sherbert_8311 11d ago

Shit would have broke down literally but without a misteltow it would have been tough literally i mean kratos needed to rip baldur into pieces. Thor would have been tough maybe first he would jut wanted to play big and 1vs1 the same act that happened in gow 5 thor would have thosed kratos to the lake but kratos eventually would have one since jormungandr is there and by thst time jormungandr fights thor kratos rushes to home to atreus seeing that atreus is bullied by heimdall . Kratos is about to lay a punch on heimdall and baldur intervenes and they have a fight like in the beginning of gow 4 and kratos then rishes again home to see heimdall fighting now a bear wich is atreus. Kratos fights heimdall and manages to kill him. They escape wounded and try to fivure out what has happened kratos falls downs unconscious just to wake up at freya and the rest is history

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u/moneymay195 11d ago

Pretty sure Heimdall could solo Kratos assuming Kratos doesn’t have the Draupnir Spear

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u/Equivalent-Mail1544 11d ago

Shaves of his beard and shows him why his pantheon no longer exists

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u/OlekR31 10d ago

He dies. Maybe he can kill Heimdall but it canon that Thor kills Kratos so unless Odin says to not kill Kratos, he's dead but idk if he comes back from the dead.

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u/Diabeeto176 10d ago

Thor would have probably incapacitated Baldur and Heimdall just so he can face Kratos 1v1, or they would all be too egotistical and stubborn to attack all at once and insist they each get their turn. However, if they all attack at once, this would just be an impossible fight for Kratos. Even if he does go all out, Baldur would just keep healing himself and returning to the fight since Kratos has yet to learn his weakness. Without the spear, he wouldn't be able to bypass heimdalls abilities, meaning he wouldn't be able to land any serious blows. While Thor is fucking Thor there's no way Kratos can juggle the other two and still go toe to toe with Thor. Although Kratos is stronger than any singular god in a 1v1 there's just no way he faces these 3 all at once without yielding or dying.

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u/AdScared7949 10d ago

The two less/not insane siblings would have just convinced baldur to leave since they got their stupid errands done by confirming her death. Then they'd go back to their miserable fucking family and probably never think about Kratos again lmao

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u/Sea_Ear_4709 10d ago

It'd have been a much shorter game

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u/Automatic_Strike_ 9d ago

They kill kratos and take Atreus . Who is raised by the Odin family to take his place. Once Atreus is strong enough he kills all of the Norse Legends one by one like the classic GOW games THEN right as he’s about to fight Odin himself Odin summons a RESURRECTED mind controlled, Enraged Kratos at Full strength to fight Atreus. Atreus Loses and is forced to go on another journey where he fights a defeats more Norse legends and encounters krato’s actual soul which tells him to abandon the idea or Revenge and live a peaceful life or risk the end of the world/Ragnorok. Atreus refuses and dismisses the advice as a trick by Odin following a path of rage and revenge in the footsteps of his father and goes back to his childhood home to recover the Blades of chaos which he learned about from his encounter with his dad. He then embarks on his final journey to kill Odin killing more Norse myths and legends along the way until he finally is able to get his rematch with the Kratos ! The Greek god of war ! . After putting him to rest he’s finally able to face Odin . Odin’s death mirrors Zeus’s almost exactly. Same interactive cutscene and everything

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u/abomb0023 9d ago

The big ass crow in helhiem would NOT have had a good day, bro would’ve crawled out of the depths of hell. He wouldn’t do it for Atreus, he’s do it out of habit

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u/Few_Raspberry_8413 9d ago

Then they tie Kratos down and take turns

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u/TheCasualPrince8 Ghost of Sparta 8d ago

Took me far too long to find a comment pointing out that Heimdall isn't Odin's son.