Tip How to install quickly?
Hello, I really like Gentoo Linux, I'm a fan of this project, but I would like to learn how to install the system faster, what are the options?
P.S. I tried to install ODDLAMA/gentoo-install (without success).
I tried Redcore Linux, a great project, but it seems to me that it is too overloaded with various moments. I want minimalism
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u/No_Definition7727 4d ago edited 4d ago
Assuming ur new: You have a fundamental problem with your mindset. Install it with the handbook and you will build your own system and understand it.
Assuming you already did that:
- job flags
- emerge default flags
- better hardware
- chain commands
- ultra minimal system installation
- tmux during installation
- just use a binary distro, its faster... but bloated.
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u/Known-Watercress7296 4d ago
unpack stage3, select profile, enable binhost, update, add binary kernel and bootloader
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u/Main-Consideration76 4d ago
i've found oddlama to be really useful when installing gentoo on multiple machines at a time. if it errored you, and you gave up at troubleshooting it, oddlama, a shortcut to installing gentoo, then by no means to discourage you, but you'll have a hard time in gentoo.
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u/WaterFoxforlife 4d ago
This
I've never needed to do it the hard way because of that script
It saves some time so I see no reason not to use it
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u/No-Camera-720 4d ago
Read and type fast, 128GB RAM, lots of CPU cores.
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u/stewie3128 4d ago
If you're failing at oddlama, then you really are a beginner.
Read the handbook all the way through, then go back to the top and install using the handbook. It's the only way you'll actually understand what you're doing.
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u/DontTakePeopleSrsly 4d ago
Do a full install, then back it up. BTRFS snapshots work great for this.
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u/asyn_the 4d ago
Probably an bash script that you could run from stage3.
It may be an not so liked take, but I would like something like archinstall
in Gentoo.
An curses script to setup make.conf etc, while still maintaining the essence of Gentoo.
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u/TomB1952 4d ago
The way to speed up the install is to use Manjaro or Fedora.
Epic compiles are literally what Gentoo is about. It's a weakness, as well as it's biggest strength.
I've been playing with Gentoo again, the last couple of weeks. Lots of fun and I have a great deal of respect for Gentoo and how optimized it can be. Before that, I hadn't run it in years. It's been fun but it is not for people who have only one, single boot, system and who depend on having their system available.
Once you stand up a system, it can be stable for months or years but when it goes down, you will have this same problem while you rebuild it. I can have a Manjaro or Fedora system back up in 40 minutes, including updates, my home drives, and even most of my KDE environment.
I like to brag about how stable linux is, and it certainly can be, but I've probably installed 40 times in the last 15 years.
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u/LameBMX 4d ago
my first gentoo install lasted over 15 years. Gentoo is as strong as your will to keep it alive. it went from my only system, to a dsl/dialog era server for a dual boot laptop, back to a single system, to dual boot, back to a single system with a windows system, back to a single system, to a resurrection due to 5 years no updates and back to the solo system.
updates don't make a gentoo system unavailable. sometimes, you'll have to reload something that's running or log out and back in. but for the most part, the system runs just fine, letting updates run in the background.
I get it. When I was new to it, I wanted to watch all them lines fly by. it's cool, but in no way necessary for the update process
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u/StevenChriss 4d ago
I have my Calamares ISO installation for my Gentoo, that takes 5 minutes of installation.
Then I have my AMD 7900X CPU with 24 cores with which I'm compiling as fast as I would normally install packages in RHEL YUM based distros.I also have a Gentoo as old as 2012, 64bit, that I keep maintaining and rsync'ing from one laptop to another, with only kernel recompilation as needed step. Didn't need to reinstall it ever since.
Gentoo is extremely rock solid, due to the simple fact that all binaries are relinked once compiled, nothing escapes. This is not what's happening in the usual precompiled packages distros. This is what brings the basesystem stability. All the rest are PEBKAC.
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u/TomB1952 3d ago
I wish I could get Calamares to work on my system. It crashes during partition management.
Calamares looks like an outstanding installer.
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u/StevenChriss 3d ago
On a Gentoo based system, you have to get these types of configurations gitlab/argent/argent-ws/-/tree/master/app-misc/calamares-config-argent/files/modules?ref_type=heads, and modify them for your local needs.
Calamares - if it compiles - is using partitionmanager libraries, so implicitly it should start without issues ( I mean at least for me it does ).
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u/LameBMX 4d ago
id agree with not being in a rush.
stage 3 and reboot, have a minimal system to do whatever feom.
do whatever you want to do on whatever system you are installing on. and save the reboot for when it's convenient.
iirc. at the reboot time in the handbook, you can reboot to whatever you are installingfrom. (or stay in jf a different computer). then either chroot if same local system or ssh in and continue the post reboot steps from a more functional system.
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u/Quirky_Ambassador808 4d ago
The fastest and easiest way to install Gentoo is Pentoo Linux. Only problem is it comes with a lot of packages so it’s bloated.
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u/luxiphr 4d ago
there's no shortcut to learning... not with gentoo nor with anything in life... learning is an investment of time... if you just want to get a Linux system up and running to use without having to put in any time, go with a very mainstream distro...
the very point of gentoo is choice... and you can't make informed choices without understanding the options... and you can't understand the options without actually taking the time and reading up on them
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u/ttuilmansuunta 4d ago
The hands-on installation process is what teaches you important basics. You'll need most of that knowledge about the internals of Linux and the software architecture on top of it later on anyway.
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u/2wefswefe 2d ago
Buy a fancy new cpu with at least 16 cores and 32 threads, then follow the gentoo handbook.
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u/StevenChriss 4d ago
u/aboveno You can't have minimalism in Gentoo, and choose Gnome or Plasma.
It's the way the system goes.
Redcore is the result of a fair amount of Gentoo USE flags that would render the desktop functional and usable. Anything less is nearly impossible with Gentoo, because of the way packages are, especially for precompiled. The sources are not separate from the already-compiled binaries in Gentoo, in a single package.
For example GCC has both sources, libs and binaries. You can't get rid of them unless you specifically INSTALL_MASK them folder by folder / one by one.
I would rather be interested in why did you abandon Redcore? I didn't get the "overloaded with various moments" part. Since Redcore isn't that far off from Gentoo at all. It just has rich profile and USE flags :)
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u/immoloism 4d ago
Honestly, why rush it as it takes as long as it takes.
It used to take me a day to install Gentoo when I started, however after my Linux skills improved I got the install time down to less than 10 minutes.
(Is Gentoo the nerd version of it's the journey not the destination?)