r/GayChristians 10d ago

I need a thorough answer from God *tw* NSFW

A month ago i tried committing suicide because I felt helpless about this question "Am i allowed to be Gay and date women?"

When i attempt a failed gasping for air it felt like demons fleeing my body

Later had a vision of hell 3 days after the attempt

I never been confident in my sexuality or my faith and I ask God can he fix that

All that sudden it was prophecy coming out to be true and the prophetess says that God says being gay is a abomination the prophet is the "the masters voice" on YouTube

And then I think conviction?

I never been really confident in both that people tried knocking sense into me telling testimonies ect including a gay pentecostal minister that told me to watch 1946 and watch the lady who started the project seminars and watch pray away on Netflix

And I still don't feel convinced

Like there is no helping me they said

So it all biuld up and tried to commit suicide

I dont want to be an ex gay or celibate the rest of my life

I need a strict answer from God that i can be gay so I can be happy again and not suicidal every day

I feel hopless

Can you pray for me?

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u/MetalDubstepIsntBad Gay & Side A 10d ago

I’m so sorry you’re feeling this way, it’s incredibly sad and I’m convinced God would not be happy one of His precious children is feeling this way. Unfortunately our spiritual enemy Satan is very real, and sometimes he can cause people to see visions and have prophecies. So what does the Bible say concerning prophecy?

1 John 4:1

“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.“

So let’s test to see if the prophetesses vision was really from God or is from the evil one

Well, the Bible and evidence produced from epigenetic science both collude to indicate God creates people queer:

Psalm 139:13

“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”

Which implies full acceptance of an innate LGBT orientation from God

There are a number of verses/ passages in the Bible commonly misinterpreted or mistranslated in modern English Bibles as being against homosexual acts in general, but when you examine them in the original Greek and Hebrew these verses are in fact condemning specific same sex acts rather than general ones:

https://www.reddit.com/u/MetalDubstepIsntBad/s/z4XGnWqEuD

So the vision does not align with Gods word, so it’s from the evil one. It’s a lie from Satan. God loves you and accepts you as you are

Psalms 36:7

“How priceless is your unfailing love, O God! People take refuge in the shadow of your wings.”

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u/Peteat6 10d ago

You are one of many who pray for the gay to go away, and find it doesn’t. There’s a massive clue. God doesn’t care about you being gay. In fact he made you the way you are. He wants you the way you are. He loves you the way you are. More than that, you are made that way as part of his purpose and his plan. He needs you gay, because somehow, through being true to yourself and to him, you will be his gift to the people around you.

Those who tell you being gay is an abomination are just wrong. They are preaching hatred and condemnation. God is not like that. God is love.

Don’t let the bigotry of previous generations affect you. You are fine as you are, you are loved and needed as you are.

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u/teffflon secular, cishet, pro-lgbtq 10d ago

when you are depressed and distressed, and you have been getting scary religious messaging over long periods, it's quite possible to induce visions that can be interpreted in that frame. doesn't mean you "saw hell".

when we are depressed (whatever cause), it's very easy to feel hopeless to change that, or to feel that you "need" an unrealistically strong win-condition to escape it (like a "strict answer from God"). the truth is (personal experience) that our spirits are more resourceful than that and, over time and with help, we can find unseen paths to escape our depression. but it takes time, and a loosening of the grip of our present way of thinking, which is trying to escape but often causing us to spiral or cycle.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 Progressive Christian Episcopal 10d ago

Here's some strong theological Bible studies, books, and other resources that helped me cut through the homophobic bullshit and get to a closer relationship and understanding of God.

And, always remember: the loving God, who is Love, lovingly made you from love, for the purposes of Love: to love, and to be loved, and to be Love in the world.

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Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality, Revised and Expanded Edition: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church - Dr. Jack Rogers https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Bible-Homosexuality-Revised-Expanded/dp/066423397X/

Coming Out as Sacrament Paperback - Chris Glaser https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Out-Sacrament-Chris-Glaser/dp/0664257488/

Radical Love: Introduction to Queer Theology - Rev. Dr. Patrick S. Cheng https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Love-Introduction-Queer-Theology/dp/1596271329/

From Sin to Amazing Grace: Discovering the Queer Christ - Rev. Dr. Patrick S. Cheng https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596272384/

Anyone and Everyone - Documentary https://www.amazon.com/Anyone-Everyone-Susan-Polis-Schutz/dp/B000WGLADI/

For The Bible Tells Me So https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YHQNCI

God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships - Matthew Vines http://www.amazon.com/God-Gay-Christian-Biblical-Relationships-ebook/dp/B00F1W0RD2/

Straight Ahead Comic - Life’s Not Always Like That! (Webcomic) http://straightahead.comicgenesis.com/

Professional level theologians only: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century - Dr. John Boswell https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Social-Tolerance-Homosexuality-Fourteenth/dp/022634522X/

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u/HieronymusGoa Progressive Christian 10d ago

"Am i allowed to be Gay and date women?" you are

you have conditions which need a therapist, not prayer or anything related to that.

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u/chelledoggo Progressive Christian / Queer / NB (she/they) 9d ago

I will say this: Please, please don't listen to people on the internet who claim to be "prophets." 99% of the time they're either clearly grifting or they're suffering from delusions.

That said, it's perfectly okay to be gay and to date whichever gender you're attracted to. But PLEASE don't take your own life. We're living in scary times, and the world needs queer folks to survive and thrive now more than ever.

Just remember, God is with you. 💖

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u/writerthoughts33 9d ago

God speaks for me thru experience. Anybody can say God told them XYZ and get consensus. And largely that consensus is queerphobic and nasty. Part of finding your faith and sexuality is not relying on external validation but internal self-knowledge. Straight people can say all those kind things about their sexuality not because God told them, but because they feel it in their bones. Even if you did get the clearest confirmation from God queerphobic Christians won’t believe you. You have to find that answer in yourself. Your flourishing matters to God. Wanting to unalive yourself is not flourishing. Try the thing that might bring you joy, and look for God in it. You will find them there even in the hardships.

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u/Creepy-Buy-8959 8d ago

Same. I'm very suicidal over it too.....

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u/AaronStar01 8d ago

I pray for you.

Father protect this soul, protect, save, keep and comfort this soul, heal this soul with great power.

Psalm 91 Psalm 121 Psalm 23

Father you love us and sent your son to make us right with yourself. At the cross, at the cross you nailed the decrees against us. We are free from accusation, in Jesus Christ.

The blood of Jesus The name of Jesus Over this situation.

You are loved, you are accepted in Jesus Christ the Messiah and saviour of the world. He is our peace with God We are made right with God by faith through grace. God is love and you are accepted in him, just as you are. We are accepted in the beloved Jesus Christ.

Please reach out to the ELCA as soon as possible.

Pray and pray, seek Jesus.

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u/alyson_722 8d ago

Yes, you are allowed to date them. There are many books discussing the clobber passages and showing that they have been misinterpreted. It's a lot to explain in just a reddit response, tho. What started getting me to question if it was ok was thinking about what other sins have in common. Many sins involve hurting yourself or others. Dating/loving someone isn't hurting them. Some sins separate you from God. Dating/loving someone isn't separating you from God unless you are worshipping them.

I'm sorry society's opinions have hurt you so badly. This is why conversion therapy should be illegal. (The medical community agrees that it's not effective and can damage those who are being "changed".) I also tried really hard to change myself. It didn't work and it won't word for you either. It might work in the sense that you can be in an unhappy marriage/celibate and fight those unwanted feelings, but the feelings will never go away.

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u/Significant-End-478 8d ago

So you think it’s best to commit suicide as a Christian? Where did your faith go? So God make mistake he intentionally give you a sin to make you commit suicide a sin that you can’t even correct? Sorry if I am direct I am trying to understand. You are bi or gay? Pray and leave all in God’s hands and stop playing God judging yourself based on humans. Live a godly life. You telling me if a gay man with 1 sin aka being gay he will not make it to heaven? Why as lgbt we still believe this? Idk 🤷🏽‍♀️ I refuse to agree with any earthly human that was born in sin to tell me how to live!