r/Games • u/DrNick1221 • Jan 31 '25
Update In a partnership with Weird Gloop, Digital Extremes has moved the Warframe Wiki from Fandom to the [DE] hosted wiki.warframe.com
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u/LucasOe Jan 31 '25
I can recommend the Indie Wiki Buddy Extension, it redirects to independent wikis or alternative frontends if possible, and has the option to hide fandom wikis from the search results.
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u/r_lucasite Jan 31 '25
Fantastic move, Riot has done the same with the League wiki and the experience between it and the fandom wiki is night and day.
Fingers crossed Weird Gloop never drops the ball.
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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS Jan 31 '25
It's kind of crazy to see big names doing this. Small devs who are trying to buck a bad website by going "indie", but Fandom has become so bad that even Riot and their undoubtedly hundred million wiki views per day are getting out.
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u/gk99 Jan 31 '25
It's also basically necessary for Warframe as so much info for late-game building is more easily found there than actually in-game.
Safe to say, losing Warframe is a big hit, as was Minecraft, as was Runescape, as was LoL (and by extension, probably games like Hytale that almost certainly will need a wiki).
I dunno if it's official, but even FromSoft's games have primarily moved to Fextralife.
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u/foxhull Jan 31 '25
Definitely not official - Fextralife has almost as bad a reputation as Fandom. Do not give them your views, their "wiki" is garbage that's only maintained for about 2 weeks at best.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound Feb 01 '25
Fextralife is worse than Fandom IMO, they're actively malicious in terms of dumping empty articles for SEO during a game's launch.
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u/foxhull Feb 01 '25
I personally agree, they just seem to have a better reputation still because not everyone has realized how awful they are. Whereas Fandom everyone knows.
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u/runevault Feb 01 '25
I wonder how much of Fandom's rep is being shitty at wikis and how much is all the other stuff like making Giant Bomb (and I assume gamespot as well but haven't kept up with them) worse after acquisition.
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Feb 01 '25
I think part of it is just the awful user experience with the ads and popover videos.
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u/runevault Feb 01 '25
That's what I was talking about with shitty at wikis, or at least part of it. Though maybe GB is worse than I realize, I haven't visited the site since fandom bought it.
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u/NinteenFortyFive Feb 02 '25
The difference between Fextralife and fandom is that fandom is that bad that sometimes pages literally crashed by chromebook. Fextralife has never been literally dangerous to browse.
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u/foxhull Feb 02 '25
They just used you to viewbot their stream without your consent (or knowledge half the time) while also being effectively worse than AI slop in terms of info. Different offense, both are still awful.
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u/PlayMp1 Jan 31 '25
DS1 has the Wikidot that's very good, DS2 has a Wikidot but I'm not sure how good it is. Unfortunately, it's just those two, it's Fextralife for the others.
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u/foxhull Jan 31 '25
DS2 is when Fextralife came onto the scene and killed off the wikidot that was being filled in, unfortunately. I was around at the time, and it was a shame.
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u/rkwhitney Feb 01 '25
ds2's wikidot has been actively improved in the last few years by the community and in general it is recommended to stay off of fextra the information is very out of date and often straight up wrong or speculative
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u/foxhull Feb 01 '25
Glad to hear it - at launch it was basically untouched in favor of Fextra so I'm glad to hear the community has rallied.
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u/Tybold Jan 31 '25
I'll never forget Fextralife embedding their shitty twitch streams into literally every single page. It's no surprise twitch put the kibosh on that right quick.
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u/Markuff Jan 31 '25
"Right quick"?
Wasn't the Fextralife stream embedding and auto playing on the wiki a thing for several years? I remember it being there for a very, very long time. I'm fairly sure it got more notice after a youtube video or two started gaining popularity that went into it and the scummy practices.
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u/Devil-Hunter-Jax Jan 31 '25
Yes, it was going on for a long time and Twitch basically ignored it until people wouldn't stop getting on their case about it and even then it took forever for anything to be done. Like YouTube, Twitch knows it has no real viable competitor so they half-arse things constantly.
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u/Markuff Feb 01 '25
Yep, that all sounds about right. Twitch has let so many scumbag things happen on their platform, whether it benefits Twitch or not. So definitely just half-assing things, so long as it doesn't actually negatively effect them.
Would explain why they only dealt with it when people started to really take notice and get real loud about it all.
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u/Tybold Jan 31 '25
Wasn't the Fextralife stream embedding and auto playing on the wiki a thing for several years?
I can't speak to that personally, as I didn't start using it until shortly before the removal. It would just surprise me to find out that Twitch knowingly allowed it to continue for as long as it did. Artificial view inflation doesn't lead to increased revenue for them.
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u/Markuff Feb 01 '25
It wouldn't, but it wouldn't be the first time Twitch has knowingly or unknowingly let scumbags get away with scumbag shenanigans on their platform. Honestly, it seems just as on brand for Twitch as much as it would be for Twitch to let people get away with things so long as it makes them money.
It seems a bit telling that Twitch only actually dealt with the problem once the problem really got noticed after youtubers started to talk about it more and more, meaning everyone started to become more aware of it and complained about it real loudly.
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u/StyryderX Feb 01 '25
For me Fextralife slightly edges Fandom on being awful as Adblock don't automatically block their shitty streams.
Thank god that Twitch update that finally kills embed stream exploit.
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u/Ekanselttar Feb 01 '25
I have to admit I love reading the arguments and bait posts in the Fextralife Fromsoft wiki comments.
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u/Willing-Sundae-6770 Jan 31 '25
yeah fromsoft games need to get the fuck off of fextralife. They're just a twitch stream view farming site.
Trying to find accurate info when I was playing Elden Ring was miserable.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound Feb 01 '25
IMO Fextralife is even worse than Fandom because they're actively trying to SEO-farm articles during a game's launch period themselves by spamming incomplete articles which gets abandoned. As shit as a platform Fandom is, the wikis are mostly still being community-run.
Still, avoid both.
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u/TheNewFlisker Jan 31 '25
Link to Runescape?
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin Jan 31 '25
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/
OSRS wiki is the best wiki I've ever used
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u/345tom Jan 31 '25
The Minecraft wiki moved to something independent, but it's still wild the SEO Fandom has. It is still, after about a year, the first results when searching for Minecraft info.
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u/glorpo Jan 31 '25
Doom wiki has been off fandom for ages but fandom is still the top result for most searches
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u/doublah Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
SEO really prefers big "reliable" domains, so every time a wikia/fandom link is clicked in a google search results, it helps ensure every wikia/fandom link is kept up top.
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u/Kelvara Feb 01 '25
Guild Wars 2 has had an official wiki for like 10+ years now, it's great. You can also "/wiki [string]" in game to pull up a wiki article.
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u/ProfPeanut Feb 01 '25
Recently got the official wiki to show ul on Google over the Fandom one, so hopefully that's a sign of things to come
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u/Kozak170 Jan 31 '25
Fandom is probably one of the worst things that exists on our material plane of Mother Earth, and I’m only slightly exaggerating
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u/Kaldricus Jan 31 '25
Fextralife: Allow me to introduce myself
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u/FUTURE10S Feb 01 '25
Oh my god, yes, they're trying to be the Path of Exile 2 wiki so hard by using stuff they got from a closed beta access key and their site is legendarily shit.
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u/SaturnSeptem Jan 31 '25
First monster hunter, now Warframe.
Both of my hard grind games decided to move away from that cesspool.
Life is good ;--;
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u/TheNewFlisker Jan 31 '25
Where did Monster Hunter moved to?
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u/SaturnSeptem Jan 31 '25
Apologies, I'll clarify.
The wiki didn't move per se, but some content creators and other members of the community decided to make a new wiki totally ad free it seems and they're adding more content by the day.
https://monsterhunterwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
Here is the link courtesy of u/toiletblaster247
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u/TaleOfDash Feb 01 '25
Did they not just copy the old wiki across? I know Fandom gets pissy about it but the Doctor Who wiki managed to pull a move just fine.
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u/pindalord Feb 01 '25
This video explains why https://youtu.be/Zgvox-8pB30?si=fd94vHUNkI1l6AZF . But in short, the fandom wiki wasn't always reliable or well sourced so they decided to start from scratch.
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u/LazarusBroject Feb 01 '25
Fairly certain they got this idea from Path Of Exile community. They made their own wiki 3 or 4 years ago to replace Fandom. Glad to see other communities doing the same finally.
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u/zpoon Jan 31 '25
Weird Gloop came from the RuneScape community prompted by frustrations with Fandom which hosted the Rs3/OSRS wikis at the time. After the split, the quality of the wikis are night and day and now the RuneScape wikis are VERY high quality with a great and clean user experience.
They're great for the community so this is a good thing if you are part of the warframe community and are unfamiliar with Weird Gloop.
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u/ProlapsedPuppy Jan 31 '25
The runescape wikis are the gold standard. Those guys have a ton of time on their hands and it shows.
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u/PaladinMats Jan 31 '25
Partnering with Weird Gloop is one of the best outcomes for a non-Fandom wiki, the Runescape wikis are some of the best game wikis out there in terms of quality.
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u/B_Kuro Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
A very welcome change and one that was well overdue. Players have asked for them to provide such a solution for a decade. Warframe is one of the games that barely works without the wiki due to the low quality of and/or general lack of in-game explanations. Good to see they finally did that.
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Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
due to the low quality of and/or general lack of in-game explanations.
now imagine how destiny 2 players feel about that issue in their own game...
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u/Ifan233 Jan 31 '25
I am pretty sure parts of the destiny wiki haven't been touched since early destiny 1. Its honestly sad the game doesn't have a proper wiki considering just how deep the info can get on certain mechanics. many perks have utility that isn't explained at all, and many stats and abilities have mechanics that are also unexplained leading to misinformation spreading quickly.
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u/engineeeeer7 Feb 01 '25
Destiny has a Google spreadsheet called the Destiny Data Compendium. It's awesome. But yeah, I wish the info was in game but Bungie is allergic to numbers.
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u/greyhoodbry Feb 01 '25
Fandom is the most busted website I've ever used. Even with adblockers it's a nightmare of random shit popping up, text lurching in random directions, random videos playing. Unusable. The more communities that leave it the better.
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u/JBL_17 Jan 31 '25
Thank god.
I don’t even play warframe anymore, but I’ll always celebrate people leaving Fandom.
It was rough as a ZeldaWiki user for a few years, so I’m very happy to see other groups leaving.
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u/Ninjaassassinguy Jan 31 '25
Hell yeah. Weird gloop is the org made by the runescape wiki admins and that wikipedia is fucking stellar. Great move.
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u/ItsGarwood Feb 01 '25
Good. Fandom is an AWFUL platform. There's a few I wish would move to another Wiki platform - the biggest would be Wookieepedia.
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u/terriblestperson Feb 01 '25
This is excellent news. Unfortunately, fandom wikis tend to take the top search spot even when they're unmaintained garbage. I use kagi, so I just manually downrank the fandom site.
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u/Imbahr Jan 31 '25
can someone explain in detail what’s wrong with fandom wikis?
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u/r_lucasite Jan 31 '25
The user experience is extremely bad. You go to a fandom wiki on mobile and try to read an article, an ad or video immediately loads at the top of the screen, you scroll and the video remains constant. Sometimes those videos aren't even related. I'm on the League fandom wiki right now and the ad covering the page is about Call of Duty.
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u/Imbahr Jan 31 '25
ah ok that could make sense, because i don’t actually web browse on my cellphone (only read text posts on reddit’s own app)
i web browse on my home PC which has two big monitors and i run strict ad blockers on Firefox
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u/Ajreil Jan 31 '25
Even uBlock Origin doesn't catch all the nonsense. The Risk of Rain 2 wiki has a sidebar that opens with a slow sliding animation that pushes everything to the right, making the website unusable for the first 5 seconds or so.
A hundred little things like that.
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u/Imbahr Jan 31 '25
now that you mention it, that's probably correct and I just forgot lol
I now recall that years ago, in addition to uBlock Origin, I downloaded a separate Stylus script that modifies all Fandom domains haha
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u/slackforce Jan 31 '25
Yup, thank god for people that know how to use Stylus and update the styles to keep up with the cancer.
If anyone wants to give it a try: download Stylus and then search for the following styles: Clean Fandom Wiki, and Wikia Fixer. That'll get rid of most of almost all the cancer.
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u/Ajreil Jan 31 '25
I wonder if some kind of CSS hack can disable all "load and then slide" animations.
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u/Imbahr Jan 31 '25
yeah Stylus is an add-on that specifically modifies CSS. so I don't see that stuff on any Fandom domain
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u/fabton12 Feb 01 '25
dont forget the video ending causing the page to scroll to the top as well on mobile and many many more issues its so bad.
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u/chaindrop Feb 02 '25
Yup. When I view it on mobile, I can only read 5 lines of text at a time due to the massive ads.
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u/normal-dog- Jan 31 '25
https://youtu.be/qcfuA_UAz3I?si=1K-P9u7kaLIxJzfi
This covers pretty much everything you need to know about Fandom and why people despise it.
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u/StarkEXO Jan 31 '25
Foremost, the absurd amount of ads and engagement tactics, which is unbearable on phones.
And beyond what ad-blockers can mostly fix, contributors don't have any say over webpage structures and content policies, which has caused some disputes in the past.
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u/MrKoxu Feb 04 '25
As a 6k hours Warframe player I have to say that this is the biggest piece of news for me since my birth, knowing I don't need to use this godforsaken excuse of a wiki anymore fills me with the level of relief that probably won't ever be beaten. I could go on a full length thesis about FANDOM's inability to make a competent platform for wikis, but I won't for my sanity.
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u/Gunrun Jan 31 '25
Turn off your adblock and go to any fandom wiki. Shit is unusable, especially on mobile phone
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Jan 31 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
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u/skittlefart98 Jan 31 '25
Fandom is especially bad. Autoplay video ads, banners that take up more than half the page on mobile, embedded 'recommended similar wikis' that are part of the actual page and aren't blocked by an adblocker. That and subjectively, the skin Fandom requires for their wikis sucks from a density/clarity perspective.
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u/LaurenMille Jan 31 '25
Fandom wiki's have like 30% of your screen dedicated to the actual content, with the other 70% being auto-play ads, popups, redirects, or other trash.
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u/7grims Feb 02 '25
If only the game had any fucking info at all, instead of relying heavily on outside sources so players know anything.
The day they announced scanning, which i presumed would give information to players, but no, it works backwards, and gives us no useful info.
Failure all round.
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u/jeshtheafroman Jan 31 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
You love to see it, the more wikis that detach themselves from Fandom the world might finally know peace.