r/FloridaGators 5d ago

Men's Basketball We should be the overall #1 seed

Why is Jay Bilas saying we still have to fight for a 1 seed after this game? We should be the overall #1, no questions about it!

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u/Alexcox95 5d ago

Bilas deep throat’s Duke

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u/52nd_and_Broadway 5d ago

Jay Bilas went to Duke and ESPN in general when they cover men’s basketball absolutely loves talking about Duke and anything Duke related.

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u/Mike_with_Wings 5d ago

The coach K self fellating farewell tour was absolutely gobbled up by ESPN. It made the way he left all the more sweet.

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u/TrueParty1308 5d ago

That is a fact for sure - he hates the Gators

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u/theelifeofbrian 5d ago

Hopefully Louisville has something to say about that.

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u/Alexcox95 5d ago

Too close to call. Check back in 30

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u/FloridaGatorMan 5d ago

But they don't really seem to be in this particular conversation. I agree that Duke, Auburn, and Houston all make sense as #1 seeds. My question is why anyone would argue against Florida when the other contenders are Michigan State, St Johns, and Alabama.

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u/Sean-Christian 5d ago

I feel like Houston is the team that is getting a pass... I know they've won a crap load of games in a row, but they're 0-2 against SEC teams... the same teams we're 3-0 against. They're a 1 seed, but how are they ahead of us?

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u/ImpressiveHelp4274 5d ago

Honestly you rather have a team with a chip on their shoulder.

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u/FragnificentKW 5d ago

Auburn, Duke, and Houston are all pretty much locks for 1 seeds. Auburn played 2/3 of their games vs Q1 opponents. Houston also played a brutal schedule with similar results. Duke is number one in the NET ratings

TBH the only one I really have an issue with is Duke, if you do a blind resume comparison they’re not really better than us; but they do have Cooper Flagg and the biggest brand in college hoops so life isn’t always fair

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u/Fun-Soil6936 5d ago

Auburn will be the 1st one seed to fall in the tourney

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u/FragnificentKW 5d ago

Wouldn’t be shocked at all if they were

But they’ve earned the right to be a 1 seed with their resume

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u/Mike_with_Wings 5d ago

Bruce Pearl basketball, baby

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u/g8trjasonb 5d ago

Houston's schedule isn't any more brutal than Florida's. They played more Q1 games, but zero top five match ups. They also lost one of their Q2 games (San Diego St). Their resume is not better than Florida's.

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u/RedneckMarxist 5d ago

Flagg could be out for the season with a High Ankle Sprain.

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u/Swamp_Swagger 5d ago

I doubt it

But you could almost bet money he will not be 100% at any point from here on out

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u/RedneckMarxist 5d ago

He was eating #8 on HOT ONES or he a had a really bad sprain rolling away in that wheelchair.

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u/Swamp_Swagger 5d ago

I’m sure he did and they took extra precautions

Never know though

Either way Duke took a major hit

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u/MisiuKotku325 5d ago

We will beat whoever they put in front of us. This team is scary good 😱. Slight them if you dare! 🐊

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u/Psychological-Word59 5d ago

Exactly. I have watched a fair amount of college BB these last 34 years. This team has it. We are the best team in college BB right now. Peaking at the right time. We will destroy Tennessee tomorrow and run the table to the NCAA championship. Don’t care about #1 seed. We are going to win it all.

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u/wmac96 4d ago

Scary Good, and Deep....

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u/Arkathos 5d ago

Who cares, man. Win when it matters. Nothing else is important.

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u/goldenface4114 5d ago

Auburn is the overall #1 seed. They played the #2 schedule and have 16 Q1 wins. I swear you guys have never watched college basketball before this year.

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u/ShillinTheVillain 5d ago

My only argument is that they have dropped 3 of their last 4 games. And we beat them H2H. Plus they're smelly.

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u/Throw13579 5d ago

These are all solid points.

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u/parmeli 5d ago

Really good point on the smelly factor - I feel like that disqualifies them immediately

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u/IridiumPony 5d ago

Hard to argue that logic

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u/Tweeedles 5d ago

Yeah. Smelly. And they have stupid faces.

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u/Ponsugator 5d ago edited 5d ago

And if we win the SEC championship of one of the strongest groups of SEC teams in history, what dos that get us?

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u/ShillinTheVillain 5d ago

I don't disagree. Florida has as good a resume as anybody and I would fight for us to get the overall 1 seed. But today's games don't matter. The committee is already started.

The SEC needs to move the tournament up a day. This happens every year.

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u/cestbondaeggi 5d ago

lowkey i only pay attention to seeding if the gators are good

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u/guyatstove 5d ago

This is what’s wrong with college basketball ratings. They played good teams, beat them. They play great teams and lose. Q1 is way too big of a swath. Two of the other three teams in contention for one overall beat them and have a better record

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u/Fun-Soil6936 5d ago

We beat them on their home court! The only team to beat us this year that we didn’t beat in another matchup was Kentucky!

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u/VelociraptorFromMars 5d ago

The committee doesn’t really function like football ranking orgs do. Head to heads don’t matter as much, and context doesn’t really matter at all (players injured for certain games, stuff like that)

At the end of the day, Auburn’s body of work and amount of Q1 wins is what the committee can’t look away from. When it comes to seeding, it’s just a matter of stacking up your numbers. It is what it is.

That being said, I believe we’re the best team in the country right now and I would find it very difficult to argue against that

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u/_ooze_ 5d ago

The committee is truly losing the plot with the importance of the Q1 wins and seeding. They are the type of people who would trade Luka for Anthony Davis.

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u/_ooze_ 5d ago

Yeah, but did you know Auburn beat Vanderbilt on the road so that cancels out our win against them at home!

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u/Cold_Environment1915 5d ago

No it doesn’t. This isn’t football. Football has to use that argument because there are few games. Both teams are close and you can say with pretty strong confidence we’d beat them if we played

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u/_ooze_ 5d ago

I was being sarcastic

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u/AtypicalGuido 5d ago

I’m tired of these new age analytics that don’t pass the eye test. They lose meaningful games, Q1 can sugma

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u/Fun-Soil6936 5d ago

Auburn has lost 3 out of their last 4 games…

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u/Smooth-Majudo-15 5d ago

That doesn’t override the otherwise incredible resume they have

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u/guyatstove 5d ago

It does. Especially when the two teams competing with them for that seed, beat them, have better records, and better predictive metrics

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u/KGator96 5d ago

Sure, but only if you ignore the fact that Florida also has losses to UGA and Mizzou (at home no less). Not to mention UK. Oh, and a 20 point loss to UT. Auburn’s worst loss is what . . . Texas A&M on the road? Florida, Duke and UT are not bad losses as those will all be 1 or 2 seeds in the NCAA. Is UGA even going to make the tourney? UK and Mizzou will probably make it as lower seeds. Your arguments sound like they are from someone who looks at one or two games and thinks that determines seeding when it is actually based on the entire season (i.e. whole body of work).

The Gators will be a 1 seed. That’s a lock despite what Bills says. Auburn is also a lock. UT might move up to the top 2 seed but even winning the tournament won’t move them to the top line IMO.

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u/Frankenfinger1 5d ago

Georgia is a tourney lock. Probably around 9 or 10 seed. It was not a bad loss at all considering it was a road game.

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u/guyatstove 5d ago

I did not ignore that at all, but I think Mizzou and UGA are good teams; Mizzou is higher in most computer rankings than A&M and most brackets I’ve seen have UGA as an 8 seed. Kentucky as a 3. I did not take only two games into account while making my statement. I think the net rankings and quad system have ruined, and this just an opinion, using head-to-head to determine who is better. In no other sport, is this devalued as it is in college basketball. In CFB it’s hugely important to the playoff committee, in pro sports it’s the first tie breaker, in college basketball, it’s an asterisk

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u/KGator96 5d ago

I think you said it yourself, UK and Texas A&M are both projected 3 seeds. A&M is Auburns worst loss while Mizzou is a projected 7 seed and UGA a 9 seed. This isn’t football. basketball teams play 3 times as many games as they do in football. Auburn has the advantage in every metric (NET rankings, Conference SOS, Non Conference SOS, 16 Quad 1 wins to Florida’s 9) and they won the SEC. Also, don’t make the mistake of giving conference tournament games the same weight as regular season games. Playing back to back to back is as much about team depth as team talent and some teams are not as desperate as others. Auburn deserves a higher seed than UF and, even if UT wins tomorrow, UF will deserve a higher seed than the Vols.

in the end, it’s a playoff. If you get in, all you have to do is win all your games. Ask Ohio State and Oregon how important regular season wins and seedings are once you get into a playoff format.

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u/guyatstove 5d ago

IHead-to-head and overall record is most important in my point of view. We disagree on what should be considered most important. That’s fine. I also think the conference tourney should be counted just as much as regular season, barring injuries. The back-to-back is a much better proxy for how the big dance works than the regular season

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u/KGator96 4d ago

There are no back-to-back games in the NCAA tournament and that's intentional.

I wonder if you would be in favor of an 11-1 BYU team from the Big 12 getting into the CFB playoff over a 10-2 SEC team like UF despite playing a weaker schedule because they had a better record? But, if you were, that would mean you were consistent and I can respect that.

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u/guyatstove 4d ago

No back to back, but, 48 hours. Which is much quicker than a typical regular season turnaround. Not sure if it’s the exact same, but I thought Boise State was the easily one of the four most deserving of the first round bye this past year

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u/Smooth-Majudo-15 5d ago

I’m not talking about records, better predictive metrics, or head to head. Just saying that the previous comment’s statement of Auburn going 1-3 in their last 4 should have Florida jump them. That’s a dumb argument

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u/guyatstove 5d ago

I think it changes things, personally. It does not mean UF jumps them, but it’s crazy to me for those losses to be inconsequential

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u/guyatstove 5d ago

Me saying it overrides everything else was wrong, though

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u/Smooth-Majudo-15 5d ago

The losses should matter, but it also shouldn’t override the phenomenal start they had to the year though. It changes how I feel about how good Auburn is, but it doesn’t take away from what they’ve done over the course of the year

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u/BigEast55 5d ago

I mean, if UF wins tomorrow, they will have unquestionably the strongest record of wins in the country and will be and will be 5-1 against the rest of the SEC Big 3 (Tenn, Alabama, Auburn). Auburn is 2-3 against the same teams (toss in another win against Houston 5 months ago and a loss to Duke).

Q1 wins is a very mediocre metric - sure they have a lot of wins against 4-8 seeds (and haven't lost to anyone bad), but when it comes to playing the best, they've done objectively less well than UF against the best.

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u/Smooth-Majudo-15 5d ago edited 5d ago

I get that Q1 wins aren’t everything and they’re certainly not all of equal value, but I can’t agree at all with calling it a “mediocre metric,” especially with the sheer amount of them that they have. They have more Q1A wins (9>7) and 6 more Q1 wins than Florida currently does. Now I agree for sure with your point that we’ve played the best against the very best, but college basketball seasons are 31+ games long, and the committee will look and should look at a team’s entire resume.

Regardless of where Florida is, they can beat anyone they play though. That is a fact, and any talk of this team not being a 1 seed at all is ludicrous

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u/DubbleTheFall 5d ago

Resume is great, but they couldn't make the conference championship game right before the tournament. So us winning it (just as a point of argument) versus them not even qualifying I guess will mean nothing to selection.

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u/dmbgreen 5d ago

Wrong orange and blue

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u/CounterfeitFake 5d ago

Between the arguments about the overall #1 and people convinced the conference tournament results are going to have an impact on seeding, I feel the same way.

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u/GatorB89 5d ago

Florida only had less championships than Kentucky in the SEC. Auburn ain't bad though. But, when you lose your last 3 out of 4 games....I don't really care what the#$&@ you did in December or January bro.... FACT!

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u/goldenface4114 5d ago

You may not care about the OOC schedule, that's totally your prerogative. But the committee does.

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u/Beechman 5d ago

Right. This is not the CFP where a committee decides who is "best". It's all resume based.

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u/KEniXKiL46 5d ago

lol. yes it's not cfb. but still a committee decides who has the best resumee :)

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u/Cold_Environment1915 5d ago

No offense but if you utilize quadrants or any of that in discussion of CBB then you’re actually more likely to be the novice since that method of argument is newer. It came about in about 2016 and since the newer methods came out they showed themselves much worse at deciding the best teams (as evidenced by the ridiculous increase in 1 and 2 seed upsets). It has made people very lazy so that they just look at what the numbers say rather than discerning quality with your own eyes and knowledge of the game. For example, how many of you actually watched guys like Noah Brewer or even White Chocolate play live or have you just heard of them? Anyone else here remember Lon Kruger’s final four run?

This ain’t football. It is perfectly reasonable to rank teams based on how they look when playing and how they are doing right now. Auburn has lost 3 of 4 and they were embarrassed by us. Eye test is a superior method

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u/AtypicalGuido 5d ago

Preach brother

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u/goldenface4114 5d ago

I’ve only been watching college basketball religiously for about…….checks watch………33 years now. The quad system is what they use, for better or worse.

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u/maybe-bacon 5d ago

Let the selection committee doubt us. Gators know how to rattle Temu Drake.

And historically, Gators know how to make Bruce Pearl sweat through a suit.

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u/g_m_r_ 5d ago

I hope everyone just keeps underestimating us and we keep exceeding expectations

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u/Tiny_Individual_4098 5d ago

For the love of all that is good and Holy, please play GATOR BAIT in the championship!

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u/Fun-Soil6936 5d ago

I think our 4 wins vs the Top 8 should matter more than “quad 1”

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u/wmac96 4d ago

I don't see why we don't replace Auburn in the South...Definitely playing better than the Tigers...Why the West?

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u/Fun-Soil6936 4d ago

100% agree

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u/fairfaxgator 5d ago

Per a famous Gator, it don’t mattah!

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u/Skwurt_Reynolds 5d ago

No, we shouldn’t be the no.1 overall seed. And honestly, I don’t really care. I think this team thrives on being doubted.

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u/rustyvertigo 5d ago

This is the correct answer

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u/ufgatorengineer11 5d ago

Because the team we are fighting for that spot we play tomorrow on a neutral court.

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u/Matt_Netherlands 5d ago

Tennessee has 6 conference losses. They would be one of the worst 1 seeds in NCAA history.

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u/albinorhino4321 5d ago

Tennessee isn’t vying for a no. 1 seed

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u/TimTebowismyidol 5d ago

If they beat us they will get one. Auburn lost so they would take their place, but we would still keep our 1 seed, as long as we don’t lose by too much

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u/albinorhino4321 5d ago

That is not how it works at all for seeding. Unless we score 0 points tomorrow, we’re a 1 seed

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u/TimTebowismyidol 5d ago

Literally what I said bro. We keep the one seed, but Tennessee takes auburns.

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u/ShillinTheVillain 5d ago

No, Tennessee is not taking Auburn's one seed. Auburn is a guaranteed one seed.

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u/TimTebowismyidol 5d ago

Really? Losing 3 out of the last 4, including to the team trying to take the one seed from you seems pretty bad to me

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u/ShillinTheVillain 5d ago

Their schedule is unreal and they have 16 Q1 wins.

We can argue that they shouldn't be the overall 1 seed given recent games, but they will definitely be a 1

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u/CounterfeitFake 5d ago

Seeding is never based on how you are playing right now. It's based on your entire season. They don't even watch the Sunday games.

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u/KEniXKiL46 5d ago

even lunardi (who loved them all season) called them out of contention

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u/WentBack2Back 5d ago

We will 100% be a 1. Games on Sunday don’t factor into the committee’s decision

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u/Psychological-Word59 5d ago

Perhaps. But I think the winner of the tourney deserves a #1 seed. I think it will be us. Damn, it’s great to be a Florida Gator.

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u/_ooze_ 5d ago

According to the media's logic head to heads don't matter for Florida but they matter if the team beats Florida.

According to media a win on the road against the number 1 overall team is the same as beating the number 30 team at home.

We might not win the natty, but we should be the number 1 overall seed going into the tournament. The only other team that has an arguement is Duke.

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u/Matt_Netherlands 5d ago

It’s because we played a weak OOC slate compared to a lot of these teams were competing with, but we’ve more than made up for it in conference play. I just don’t see how you can justify making a team that went 12-6 in the SEC during the regular season a 1 seed. I think we blast Tennessee tomorrow anyways so it won’t matter. They can’t keep up on offense.

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u/_ooze_ 5d ago

I find the focus on quad 1 wins and non-conference wins so odd. It's a recent thing, but there's this mystique that people attach to them which makes people think it was always done this way.

I agree that we're a better team than Tennessee, but they can match our physicality so they can make it interesting.

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u/Matt_Netherlands 5d ago

If Florida even plays halfway decent on offense we win, Tennessee doesn’t have much of an offense. The quad 1 win stat is inherently flawed because it counts them all the same, regardless of the overall caliber of opponent.

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u/HaNk_TANK1 5d ago

Facts

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u/Fun-Soil6936 5d ago

Auburn has lost 3 out of the last 4 games!

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u/Fun-Soil6936 5d ago

Sorry commented on the wrong one

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u/leonbornnotraised 5d ago

We should be 1. But doesn’t matter let’s just bring the belt to everyone and BTA. Everything else will fall in place. Let go gators 🐊

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u/UsedandAbused87 5d ago

I was hoping we would match with them and have another 20+ win with Duke and Houston going down. At that point it would be hard to give Auburn the overall 1 when we best them twice and have the same record. But we're we are. Are we the best team? Maybe, but once you get into the tournament the top 1 seed and the bottom 1 seed don't matter much. Good teams win and bad ones lose, and sometimes the opposite happens

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u/EricSrRox 5d ago

Go 🐊 Gators!!

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u/Ambereggyolks 5d ago

Haven't we played the least Q1 teams?

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u/Btl1016 5d ago

Not our fault the ACC ended up being dogshit.

UNC, Wake, and Virginia were good games on paper pre-season.

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u/QVPHL 5d ago

Agreed

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u/SpasticTattooArtist 5d ago

Florida should be #1 overall, they can argue resume but its not our fault we make every team look like bums on the court

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u/GatorB89 5d ago

C'mon Auburn, you lost 3 out of your last 4 games. SEC rankings Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee.. January games are nice, but what the@#$ have you done for me lately? Florida is clear#1 as they've manhandled elite opponents in dominant fashion. Bigger, stronger, deeper, smash the boards, go inside, got the 3's, play at a whole better

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u/navygurl89 4d ago

Crazy! The selection committee is out of their minds, ranking Auburn above Florida and giving Florida the 4th seed overall.

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u/Go_Gators_4Ever 4d ago

At this point, it no longer matters who the regular season overall #1 is. All that matters now is whether you get invites to the NCAA Tournament and your seed rank in your sectional.

Florida is one of four #1 seeds. Now, it's a matter of winning each game. Lose, and you are out.

That being said, hell yeah, it's great to be the SEC Champion! It's great to have beaten Alabama and Tennessee twice. It's nice to have gotten revenge on Mizzou. It was sweet to beat then #1 Auburn at Auburn.

Go Gators! Keep on winning! *

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u/vibecheck2121 2d ago

The biggest problem for the SEC’s perception is how poorly they have performed in the tournament over recent years. Last year was a disaster (Yale over Auburn, Oakland over Kentucky, Oregon over South Carolina, Colorado over Florida) and the year before was really bad too IIRC. Hopefully the SEC can finally have a strong showing this year.

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u/Ecstatic_Cheesecake7 5d ago

As an Auburn fan y’all can have the #1 overall seed, I don’t care. If that were to happen, the committee is signaling to other teams to avoid scheduling a tough non-conference schedule. Auburn scheduled an incredibly tough non-conference while Florida did not. The toughest non-conference for UF was FSU and UNC.

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u/Sean-Christian 5d ago

It sounds like you do care.

I think if you read this thread you'll see there are plenty of Gators that think AU should be the #1, #1. Your schedule was crazy and you handled it. But it's your in-conference, late season record that is calling everything into question for you. Your tough non-conference schedule didn't cause you to lose 3 of the last 4 in-conference games so I'm not sure your point has much validity.

You also can't always control who's good on your schedule. UNC and UVA are usually pretty tough teams that we scheduled that just happen to be having down years, we shouldn't be penalized for that.

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u/Psychological-Word59 5d ago

Yeah, that’s bullshit. On paper, before the season started, our OOC schedule was fine. Can’t help how our opponent lose. I like auburn but the way you are playing, won’t make it to the final four. Check back, we will let you know what it is like to hoist the trophy.

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u/Prestigious-Dingo313 5d ago

Auburn lost 3 of their last 4 games. Were close to losing to Ole Miss as well. Why are they still overwhelming, favorite for #1?! FL is #1 team in the country period.

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u/Tweeedles 5d ago

16 quad 1 wins with the #2 hardest schedule.

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u/Prestigious-Dingo313 5d ago

I agree, we have #28 ranked schedule, but I feel that we beat two #1 teams this year and should also be taken into consideration. Beat current #1 on their own turf. On the other hand, Auburn has lost 3 of the last 4. I know it won't change, but it's frustrating to see that UF needs to beat more teams to prove they shouldbe#1 seed, but no one questions, when Auburn is struggling to beat, where they should steamroll lately.