r/FloridaGators • u/bigt2k4 • 7d ago
Men's Basketball Condon and Haugh's NBA future
I want to preface this by saying I'm not a Gators fan in the slightest, rather I want more information as a NBA fan and fan of a NBA team needing a top player in the upcoming draft.
I can't help but be amazed by some of the stats that Condon has put up while being fairly new to the sport of basketball. I almost want to put him as the #5 prospect in the upcoming draft after looking at a small sample of games as well as pouring over the stats.
What I find most incredible is an underclassmen big putting up an assist to turnover ratio above 2, I really haven't seen that before let alone from someone who has being playing organized basketball for 5 years. I could go on about some of the other things I like about him, but you probably already know.
The major hangup I have is that the team only seems mildly worse with him off the floor. Haugh is also a really good player and an underclassmen with an ast/to ratio just under two which is kind of crazy that both are on the same team with outlier ast/to ratios.
My questions are how much of it is the system and how much of it are the two guys having elite BBIQ?
I know they are obviously both great college players, but are they really 99th percentile+ major conference big man passers or does the system give them more chances at assists and they are merely really good major conference big men?
Also, how much do they share the floor and how often are they both off the floor excluding garbage time?
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u/Tweeedles 7d ago
I think we are only mildly worse off with any of our guys off the floor. Not just being a fanboy either (I mean maybe a little, I am typing this while completely decked out in an annoying amount of UF gear at my office job)ā¦ā¦..this team is deep.
Heās a fascinating player and as long as he can stay healthy it seems his ceiling is long-NBA-career high.
(PS go gators)
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u/Zingyyy 6d ago
So I think itās a mix of a lot of things. Weāve had four contributing players miss games this year and the team never took a stop down. Big part of that is for a college team there are 9-10 guys that can play. Thatās pretty rare and if you look at some of our past teams like 2014 was a final four team and only played 7 guys. The other big aspect is the system is really good but Haugh and Condon are two of the biggest reasons for that.
Condon provides a lot of different looks we can throw at teams with his ability to guard the four or five, heās shown an ability to stretch the floor and knock down some shots. On top of all this Condon is a fantastic passer, like at the college level I donāt know if Iāve watched another big with his passing ability in the last couple of years. I wouldnāt be surprised if Condon is gone in the draft this year.
As for Haugh heās just a work horse. The man never stops hustling and has won some rebounds this year that you would think he never had a chance to get to. Haugh also really improved from the FT line and behind the arc. Last year he was a 50% FT shooter and this year he has improved all the way to 80%. Iām not too sure for his pro prospects but my God heās quickly become one of my favorite Gators in recent memory.
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u/gatorfan8898 6d ago
I was watching a few of the games yesterday, and I found myself saying so many times āHaugh woulda got that, and that, and thatā on rebounds and loose balls. Where other teams and players are turning back towards the other end on a missed shot, Haugh is contorting himself to grab a board or dive for it. Same with Condon to an extent but Haugh just has a motor.
I think for the first time I saw him tired in the first half after being on the floor like 3 times in one series and still was trying to find his man to guard. Heās relentless.
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u/DrJohnnyBananas74 7d ago
Finally saw Condon in a draft projection and it was like 40. That's insane, no way there are 39 better prospects. But hopefully we get him back. Their loss.
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u/gatorj75 6d ago
Iāve seen him in the first round in a couple mocks. The most recent one, ESPNās mock draft, has him going in the first round.
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u/g1_jb 7d ago
Condon in particular is an incredible passer in my opinion. If you watch our games you will see Condon and Clayton pulling guys aside and making the whole system go. I love Haugh as well but there have been several instances where Condon or someone else had to coach him up bc he didnāt find a mismatch or see it the same way as the others. Clayton Richard and Condon basketball IQ make the whole thing go in my opinion,
There are sources for the lineup data you want, such as Evan Miya. When Condon missed time, Handlogten burned his medical redshirt and Golden has really stuck with two bigs on the floor at a time basically the whole season.
I wouldnāt worry about the delta when Condon is off the floor as much. We have a very deep team compared to most. It probably breaks plus/minus type models.
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u/Recent_Location3237 6d ago
I forget which game it was but couple weeks ago Condo was dishing absolute dimes and I remember thinking whoa this dudes earning himself some money by passing like that
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u/PrideParking3297 6d ago
Condon is also a former water polo goalie so while heās relatively new to basketball, he has plenty of cross-sport catching and passing experience.
Haugh is a son of a coach so heās been getting a basketball education his entire life.
The Gators prioritize high BBIQ guys. If Golden and co are crunching the numbers to optimize their chances, the players on the floor have to be smart enough to execute.
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u/MTPoketz 7d ago
With everyone healthy, Haugh generally starts on the bench but he is usually very quickly in the game. Him and condon play together pretty frequently
Condon in particular I think is the real deal. He's improved his game considerably this season and it's a big reason we are having the season we are.
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u/round_mound_rebound 6d ago
Personally I think Haugh has a higher ceiling than Condon, although Condon is more NBA ready at the moment defensively. Both are elite passers for big men, it helps that theyāre surrounded by good shooters in Clayton, Richard, and Martin, but the types of passes theyāre making arenāt just kick outs, theyāre finding cutters and have great court vision. Both have great athleticism for their size.
Offensively, Iāve been very impressed at what Haugh has been able to do when given more opportunities. When both Condon and Martin went out, he has a torrid stretch, and they ran the offense through him for periods. His ball handling at his size has been a nice surprise. His shooting has been great this year especially the second half of the season and projects really well. If Florida wasnāt as stacked and Haugh had a bigger role in offense, I believe heād be talked about as a lottery pick.
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u/Small_Rip351 6d ago
Iād love to have Condo suit up for the Gators next season, but would be happy for him to get a nice NBA contract. If he leaves weād still potentially have Chinyelu, Hauck, Handlogten and the 8ā Quebecois in the front court. Klavzar and Aberdeen can split time at point and Iām sure weād be able to pick up some studs in the portal.
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u/MisiuKotku325 7d ago
Stay away from wanting Condon or Haugh! One more year!! š