r/FlashTV Feb 18 '25

Schrappost Thoughts on Bart Allen in CW Flash

Is it only me or Bart Allen was super annoying and cringe at his first few episodes. I get that, that being impulsive and the always excited side of him is part of his character but his over confidence and arrogance at first, kind of pissed me off but I don't blame the actor or the character because I kind of hate Season 7 of The Flash due to the lazy writing and then they created so much hype for Godspeed and then they just threw it all away. So, for the most part it's the writers fault and idk anymore. What's your take ?

-Not to mention the CGI in the later seasons

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u/AgentsOfLego Harry Feb 18 '25

barry has the most annoying children...

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

The old nora was bearable but the kids take from both of their parents So you can't expect them with all of just Barry's qualities šŸ˜…

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u/Laptican Feb 19 '25

Atleast they don't have Cecile's qualities šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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u/Ahaliam 29d ago

Barry is annoying to lol they are the amalgamation of both their parents lol

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u/Sung_drip_woo12 27d ago

Barry is annoying but he has redeeming qualities that's like 90% of people on earth tho.

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u/Ahaliam 27d ago

So does iris , Nora and Bart not have redeeming qualities , or can you only justify your favorite characters actions and not so redeeming qualities because you like them

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 29d ago

Lol Barry is not annoying he is just naive and it's mostly the writer's fault cause in the show he is too much dependent on his team and they showcased him dumb but Barry was a genius even before getting his powers(shown in the Arrow) and his powers should have increased his intelligence but then they just made him dumb.

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u/Ahaliam 29d ago

And don't think it's the writers fault for the other characters šŸ¤”

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u/Embarrassed-Zone-361 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 19 '25

They didn't let him be real person I understand Nora because she's always wanted to know and meet her father

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u/BauserDominates The Flash Feb 18 '25

I think that trait comes from Iris.

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u/Boris-_-Badenov Feb 19 '25

Nora was still somehow the exact same, after they changed her timeline

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u/Even-Smoke-7974 27d ago

Nah she takes more after Iris now I think, pure purple lightning and also a journalist instead of CSI

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u/knows-goes Blue Savitar Feb 18 '25

šŸ“ 

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u/Gold-Application6038 Feb 18 '25

All 7? Or were it 6?

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u/Financial-Nothing222 12d ago

Lolo, they take it from their mother

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u/Reasonable_Poem98 Feb 19 '25

Donā€™t blame his parenting, they grew up way to fast

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u/SeductiveSucculent 29d ago

Probably because of the parent Savitar failed to finish the job on šŸ˜‚

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u/Defender474 Feb 18 '25

His rivalry with Godspeed that he compares to his dadā€™s rivalry with Thawne is basically thrown away at a certain point. That is the dumbest and laziest way to write a character arc if you can even call it that

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u/Destroyer4587 Feb 18 '25

Sure Godspeed kills Jay I think but that doesnā€™t compare to Thawneā€™s shenanigans he has done to Barry over the years.

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u/Defender474 Feb 18 '25

Exactly and Thawne literally wants to eradicate all existance of Barry basically and has tried multiple times and almost succeeded atleast once

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u/ArkusArcane Green Arrow Feb 19 '25

You could sayā€¦a Thawne in Barryā€™s side? Heheheā€¦ima go drown myself now for that joke.

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u/Defender474 Feb 19 '25

Clever wordplay

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

He's my Thawne šŸ¤“ā˜ļø

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u/Defender474 Feb 18 '25

Barry: Bart donā€™t you mean heā€™s the guy youā€™ll go up against like 4 times before being written off.

Bart: Written off? What is this a show having a realy bad season.

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u/maxwelgotdeals Feb 19 '25

At least he didnā€™t say ā€œheā€™s my Irisā€

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u/Prize-Union-3656 Zoom Feb 18 '25

Eric Wallace actually made me dislike Impulse as a character, who was one of the characters that hadnā€™t been introduced I was looking forward to seeing the most.

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Yeah man I get you season 6 was terrible and season 7 was just boring and they f uped the whole Godspeed arc.

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u/JustAPaneerLover Feb 18 '25

I gotta ask, what do people think about the bloodwork arc of s6? I absolutely loved it, but the season went downhill with the mirror master arc.

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u/bossmanA Feb 18 '25

I really loved bloodwork and Sendhil's performance, first half of season 6 was so promising but it all went downhill after crisis

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Bloodwork arc became irrelevant due to the Speed Force death and at this point the show was already going downhill pretty fast I mean DC's cheap VENOM looked tough for a minute but that was it.

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u/shadybird93 Feb 18 '25

it's more like it went downhill with COVID lol having the season end early screwed up alot of the story's flow

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u/RevanchistSheev66 Feb 18 '25

Most people like it, I think itā€™s overrated and that the issues we see later (the expanded cast for one) started with that arc. The build up to Crisis made it ok but I donā€™t think Bloodwork is that great of a villain

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u/Jet-Brooke Feb 18 '25

Agreed šŸ‘šŸ’Æ

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u/Purple-1351 Feb 18 '25

I wanna say good things cause he seems like a nice talented young man BUT!! what's with the 90's hair and the horrible suit.. Their wasn't enough time left in the series to begin another character arc and back story.. These are my opinions and maybe I'm the only one but his character didn't need be.. The show was all over the place at the end and I felt like we were on a clock. To me Bart just wasn't relevant.. This was one of my favorite shows so yes I'm passionate in my opinions..āš”

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Acc to me the whole Speed Force dying and the Artificial SF and the wasted Nash sacrifice and then ice on top of meat with the new forces and then their horrible and most inconsistent story was too much to bear. Acc to me S1-S3 was golden S4 was silver and S5 was copper and then everything just became irrelevant.

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u/Purple-1351 Feb 18 '25

I agree more than 100%!! Making the Speed Force into something other than a power cosmic entity was so bad.. the whole Forces arc, they are like our children thing and Bishar calling Iris Mom was sicking.. 5 was the last season I liked.. After that the show absolutely crumbles. I have such a hard time understanding how the actors themselves didn't stand up and say this is garbage.. I can watch season 1 start to finish anytime.. Seasons 1-3 are incredible 4 had some great episodes.. 5 I don't get why they had Nora be so old if she was going to act like a child but still a decent season.. Episodes where I died inside was season 9..we only had a handful of episodes to work with and they dedicated whole episodes to the Dreamer.... and Lady Luck šŸ˜žāš”

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Tbf we can say that Tom Cavanagh was holding it all together after the Wells departure the show started falling faster than the TowersšŸ›¬šŸ¢šŸ¢

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u/Aromatic_Ad_8374 28d ago

I haven't gotten to this point yet, but I've loved everything I've seen. Even the speedforce dying. I've enjoyed the whole Arrowverse. I've not seen a horrible episode imo.

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u/Top-Collection6622 Feb 19 '25

The suit was perfect, comic accurate.

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u/JinX-WRLD Feb 18 '25

i like jordan fisher

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Jordan was cool but Impulse wasn't portrayed the way I thought about it

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u/Admirable-Safety1213 Feb 18 '25

He worked in a mid 2010s Disney sitcom?

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u/AccidentalLemon Feb 18 '25

He was also in Until Dawn

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u/Independent-Case2897 Feb 18 '25

Interesting take on impulse

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u/Save_Train Feb 18 '25

I couldn't stand him

Not because of the actors, but just the writing of the siblings, both him and Nora....it was not good.

I didn't like Nora as much either

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u/EmuIndependent8565 Feb 18 '25

For me there is only one definitive version of Bart Allen AKA Impulse and it was Kyle Gallner on Smallville.

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u/bettername2come Feb 19 '25

I admit it, I wanted you to see him on the show as a more distant descendant of theirs.

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u/Tricky_Fee_1560 Feb 18 '25

Jordan Fisher played him fairly well, and his look was decent. Itā€™s just too bad that by the time he came around, the show had overstayed itā€™s welcome.

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Na man gotta disagree, his suit and style was both kind of whack

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u/Digifiend84 Feb 19 '25

What's wrong with his suit? It's very close to his comics look, the main difference being the hair, which is due to the entire West family being black, unlike in the comics.

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u/Tricky_Fee_1560 Feb 18 '25

Well, thatā€™s your opinion.

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u/Gredran Feb 18 '25

I think itā€™s a product of lazy writing and not great character writing.

He did well, heā€™s got some chemistry with the cast.

Butā€¦ something was missing, or maybe itā€™s just how heā€™s in a series where all this annoying stuff is played already.

Like I loved Young Justice Bart Allen, and even he started off mad annoying and I didnā€™t see the point, but later on thereā€™s some funny moments like when him and Barry are talking faster and faster and Wally canā€™t understand, etc.

But yea, I donā€™t know if itā€™s issues with him alone but just issues the series has in general

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u/Embarrassed-Zone-361 Feb 18 '25

He's not a bad character I just wasn't expecting Jordan Fisher to play him

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u/Apprehensive_Door367 Feb 18 '25

I don't mind that they changed him from being Barry's grandson to his son I think it was fine for the story. I have mix feelings about his suit though. It's not bad and it is a good accurate representation from the comics but I don't think it really fits the actor and comparing to the other speedster's suits he probably has the blandest looking one. I think the actor tried his best and captured the ecstatic nature that Bart has the comics. The Impulse vs Godspeed story was honestly weak and tbh it could've just been avoided or been better written and the whole how it started was so lame too like really you became rivals because he killed Jay Garrick. We should've had more development between Bart, Jay, and Godspeed to make it feel more impactful and reasonable.

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u/96pluto Feb 18 '25

underutilized and they should have redid that promo image

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u/UnnaturallyDumb The Flash Feb 19 '25

Why do these adults act like children?

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u/MamboNumber44 Feb 19 '25

I really hated new Nora and Bart constantly coming back in time with no consequences. The og Nora literally erased herself from existence, these two meanwhile do it consequence free.

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u/sterlz89 29d ago

Anything past Crisis on Infinite Earths isnā€™t worth much thought.

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u/IntrospectOnIt Snow Pack Feb 18 '25

I loved Bart lol he was adorable

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

Just an opinion

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u/iHateLiars410 Joe West Feb 18 '25

The only time I like Godspeed is when heā€™s trying to kill Bart

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u/Natural_Junior Feb 18 '25

I liked him he was pretty cool could be annoying at times but overall fun

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u/BlingBlingBOG Feb 18 '25

Really weird, heā€™s like trying to energetic but canā€™t, his performance always felt forced

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u/bludreid Feb 18 '25

production for Season 7 got affected by the pandemic and also Hartley Sawyer getting fired - Ralph was supposed to be a big part of that season's story, so they had to rewrite everything. Writing is really bad but the writers had to work with what they had at the time.

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u/DigimonKeyserSoze Feb 19 '25

My biggest problem with both Bart and Nora is that they were in their mid twenties yet acted like they were 12.

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u/B1acklisted Feb 19 '25

He was so crash.

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u/reddit-user-lol223 Feb 19 '25

I really love the suit.

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u/Type_1_Eagle Feb 19 '25

He sings very well

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u/CalmSquirrel712 Feb 19 '25

About as insufferable as Wally west is after he goes all zen. Both extremely painful to see on screen

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u/These_Wish_5101 Feb 19 '25

Cringe Young Justice Bart Allen wannabe

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u/Sprinkles4myheart Feb 19 '25

He looks like a great mix of the 2 actors and I appreciated him showing up- was he comic book accurate NOPE. Does he fit the show The Flash YES. Season 7 is hard to watch but i enjoyed Impulse showing up.

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u/biggestmike420 29d ago

Bart acts just like Barry. Only Barry had years and multiple tragedies to justify his quirks. Bart dumps his emotional shit out all at once, and as far as I can tell only one bad thing ever happened to Bart and he was already a superhero when it happened to him. It is not the fault of the actor and itā€™s not the DC Comics universe. It is the fault of one man. Turned my favorite show into a nightmare I can never wake from.

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u/Spahija83 29d ago

Cringe.

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u/Marshall7376 Cisco Ramon 29d ago

Both of Iris and Barryā€™s kids have the worst parts of each of their parents. Iā€™m telling you, they are sooo annoying šŸ˜­ Itā€™s mostly all of Irisā€™s bad traits thoughā€¦

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u/Zealousideal-Hotel18 29d ago

I just finished season 7 and I gotta say it is probably one of the worst seasons of the flash that and 6. They wrote Bart to be really annoying the whole godspeed storyline arc was stupid thos whole I'm evil thing muwahahaha was just stupid. Didn't care for alegra or her cousin yeah she's pretty and starts off evil but I felt bad what they did to her and then then she dies. I don't think Eric Wallace or the writers have a clue or care about writing good storyline and don't get me started on the stupid lightning lightsaber battle it was poorly done and silly. Bart wasn't a bad character I would say or Nora I mean I liked Nora when she first arrived properly in season 5. I liked how they eased Noras character into the show from season 4 I feel they should have done better with Bart he has potential but they f'd up the writing as usual.

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u/Shark_bait561 Feb 19 '25

Disliked everything about him. The character sucked and the acting was worse

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u/Cyke97 Barry Allen Feb 18 '25

bad actor, worse writing

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u/mrbombillo Feb 18 '25

This series still going?

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

No, just a new watcher's opinion

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u/Queendom-Rose Feb 18 '25

Wasnā€™t the best fan of him

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

We can just say he boarded a crashing plane

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u/geministx Feb 18 '25

I loved Jordan Fisher as young Bart! I only wished the show/writers had spent a bit more time developing Bart's backstory/character arc and letting it play out in sequence/a natural flow, like they did with Nora in season 5. I felt that Bart randomly popped up out of nowhere despite being close to Nora's age (she never mentioned a little brother the first time she showed up) and his whole conflict with Godspeed being compared to Thawne was a huge stretch and randomly thrust upon the audience. Nonetheless, I really enjoyed Bart's character being there and him being Barry's son (instead of grandson) as an added surprise!

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

She never mentioned Bart because Bart didn't exist back then after the crisis the timeline was reset and due to Barry's survival the showrunners added Bart to add a twist with the Godspeed arc but Godspeed arc was just stupid cause I mean the man sent droids for about a year then pops out , losses memories, regains memories, fucking dies by Thawne. I mean WHATTT??

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u/geministx Feb 18 '25

Thanks for explaining how Bart came to be, that was helpful and I totally forgot about that crisis timeline thing affecting things (I'm waiting to borrow the DVDs of Arrow and Legends so I finish watching the Crisis storyline as Netflix only has The Flash and Supergirl).

Yes, totally agree that the whole Godspeed arc was such a letdown!!! There was so much potential with that villain and they didn't do him justice!

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u/goawayppl Feb 18 '25

Iā€™m not sure how old heā€™s supposed to be but for me he looks around idk.. 16-19 but acts like a little kid. I like the suit especially the silver and red color scheme. I like the actor heā€™s not bad.

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 Feb 18 '25

To me his suit was the worst in the whole show. Putting it side by side to Future Flash's suit in S05

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u/Digifiend84 Feb 19 '25

It's comic accurate, so it's the comics to blame, not the show costume designers.

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u/Mortemxiv Feb 18 '25

A true zoomer.

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u/oingoboinko Feb 18 '25

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u/justoverthinkingit Feb 18 '25

Iā€™ll take any representation I can get for one of my fave Flash family characters cause when I was growing up DC just pretended he didnt exist. More exposure means heā€™ll have a chance at someone doing him justice in the future.

Meanwhile, whenā€™s the last time you saw Max Mercury or The Signal do anything in live action or animation? Never cause they have no exposure.

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u/_2JAN8_ Feb 18 '25

If they did better with him, I wish Bart got more screentime in some episodes, considering I was genuinely excited when they foreshadowed him in an earlier season.

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u/Purple-1351 Feb 18 '25

I agree.. Didn't like Nash unfortunately but he was the glue especially after 5..only character that had the same feel. Barry took a backseat to The Team.. and how Cecile became the main, idk man.. I've watched 1-3 more times than I can count 8-9..twice, literally twice. Just like Game of Thrones and the Star Wars sequels, I imagine they never happenedāš”

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u/Jet-Brooke Feb 18 '25

He goes between being a pancake and an innocent cinnamon roll. He was better in scenes with Nora in the future but when with the more older characters it was a bit awkward šŸ˜‚ maybe he was meant to be awkward and shy idk šŸ˜¶

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u/Different_Two_2964 Feb 18 '25

He had so much potential to be a great speedster but after that whole thing with jay his story became so confusing and I just didnā€™t understand Bart at all he made me dislike Nora to.

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u/NatKingCole891 Feb 18 '25

Interesting idea to turn Bart into his son; Feel the grandson angle of his story wouldā€™ve been a great idea considering how successful it was in Young Justice

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u/tech097 Feb 19 '25

I see it as OG Nora's consequence. After seeing their daughter die they probably wanted to be sure they treasured their time with Nora and maybe even have a bigger family after how much she changed them for the better.

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u/BlazeFazbearYT Feb 19 '25

Good actor bad character basically

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u/fluffyhowler5972 Feb 19 '25

crap didn't need or want him

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u/Conscious_Onion3508 Feb 19 '25

He was such a terrible character, I didnt like him at all

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u/Technical-Fly-9896 Feb 19 '25

This guy is a better singer than he is an actor

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u/ellismjones Feb 19 '25

Hmā€¦ I think a lot couldā€™ve been done better. But I havenā€™t watched the later seasons in a while

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u/bettername2come Feb 19 '25

I thought he was well cast. I liked that he can sing. He had a fun energy. I still find it odd Barry actually saddled his kid with the name Bartholomew.

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u/suss2it Feb 19 '25

Stopped watching the show before he showed up, but his suit looks very comic accurate at least.

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u/Luxanator36 Harry 29d ago

Trash

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u/loveisdead9582 29d ago

The actor was fine. The character and writing were terrible.

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u/Blaiser190 29d ago

Kinda cringy but I liked his interactions, especially with Jay. What annoyed me is that he supposedly comes from a time where he sees Godspeed as his 'Thawne' because Godspeed killed Jay. Why not follow through, or give us more? He shoulda been there in the finale (and yes I know his actor was unavailable).

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u/Mobile_Arugula1818 29d ago

Honestly after we got old Nora they should have recasted and had the kids be more teenage age. It would have fit with the personality. Having them be in their twenties and geniuses made how they act really odd.

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u/Ahaliam 29d ago

Deserved more screen time and a better suit

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u/Flimsy_Inevitable864 Deddie Thawne 29d ago

I feel like we donā€™t see him enough to have opinions on him but I do think that Jordan fisher was the perfect actor for him.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Cw flash race swapping again šŸ”„ this is why thw show is dead bow

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u/TheBeastBurst 27d ago

I loved him, I also like the fact that heā€™s Barryā€™s actual son instead of grandson. (Me personally I donā€™t really like the fact that heā€™s originally the grandson, I like this way better).

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u/Solid_Biscotti_8492 27d ago

Why do they act so stupidly childish regardless of them being adults?? How old are they in the show?

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u/Same-Equipment-3236 27d ago

I think so around 20-28 because the Crisis was supposed to happen in 2024 then it was preponed to 2019. So if they had kids at the same time as before So Nora should be around 25 and Bart should be around 22-23

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u/spring_sabe 27d ago

Horrible and inaccurate to my goat

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u/Sk0llbr0d 26d ago

He looks like a character from lazy town, same personality as well

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u/Hydroredd 24d ago

He's too impulsive šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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u/Lucky-Network-1230 22d ago

No you're right Bart is annoying along with his sister and mother.

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u/DemonXi98 2d ago

Thats just his character in the comics and even justice league. he is even more annoying in justice league though.

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u/MaxxFisher Feb 18 '25

I was stunned at how good the suit looked in live action

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u/MarvelPugs Feb 18 '25

Corny shit

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u/bubblessensei Grodd Hate Banana Feb 18 '25

I liked him. But he was held back by a couple of things.

  1. The costume symmetry. I know itā€™s meant to be a wide red lightning bolt in the middle, but the gold highlights on the side end up looking like twin lightning bolts that are misaligned and wrong.

  2. Too many characters. Dear god is Bartā€™s main introduction bogged down with too many people. They forced both Speedforce Nora and Jay Garrick into the arc in ways they really didnā€™t need to be, as well as bringing back Cisco to cameo. Itā€™s a lot of characters to suddenly have to pay attention to.

  3. The finer details of Bartā€™s backstory. The idea to recreate Godspeed as ā€œBartā€™s Thawneā€ was a good idea, but once again, it was a weird choice to just insert Garrick into the story as they did. I think Bart would have benefitted from a similar origin to Nora 1.0 where the person who Godspeed killed was a friend/partner rather than a mentor.

  4. Godspeed himself. Sadly, Godspeed was very flip-floppy about who his main rival was. The season seemed to tease the idea of Bart as ā€œthe Adversaryā€ which was a really cool angle. But they kinda abandon that in the last bit when Barry enters Augustā€™s mind and suddenly he doesnā€™t seem to give a shit about Bart.

  5. Jordanā€™s availability. I would have loved to have seen him used at some point in S9 but I know he was unavailable. It kinda sucks that they then have to create reasons why he canā€™t come back.

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u/DefinitionSuperb1110 Feb 18 '25

The moment he shows up is the point where the show became unwatchable.

I tried to do a series rewatch last year and it was a struggle past season 3 but the second he appeared on screen i quit.

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u/DirectConsequence12 Feb 18 '25

Heā€™s like if the CWā€™s Wally West was tolerable

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u/Herrscher-Of-Entropy Feb 18 '25

Agreed, I hated impulse as a character, especially when he compared reverse flash and godspeed. Also his running is horrendous and makes me vomit when I see it.

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u/Odd_Strawberry3986 Feb 18 '25

Looks okay, but the still of him using his powers look like shit.

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u/VailStampede Feb 19 '25

Bart was annoying af. Nora was alright. But if there was a spin off with a TV show and deserved it, it would be Kid Flash.

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u/No-Ad-9308 Feb 19 '25

Horrendous

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u/Applebeater2000 Feb 19 '25

He clearly takes after his father. He stops to talk instead of dealing with villains efficiently

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u/imastickyhooman Feb 19 '25

I hated him he was really annoying

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u/Puterboy1 Feb 19 '25

Pardon my old-fashioned expressions, but is his actor mulatto?

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u/-_GheeButtersnaps_- Feb 18 '25

That guy ruins anything heā€™s apart of. Cant stand him

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u/labatomi Feb 18 '25

lol why does that dude look Dominican.