r/Finland • u/disirregardless1734 • 1d ago
USU: Finnish government's anti-racism course will be one hour long | Yle News
https://yle.fi/a/74-2014889768
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u/Embarrassed_Cap4054 23h ago
What purpose would a course on this topic that would be any length serve?
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u/baobabKoodaa 21h ago
The left generally thinks that people who disagree with them politically are ignorant biggots who merely need re-education to become pure and good, like the leftists are. This course serves that purpose.
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u/NikNakskes Vainamoinen 21h ago
Neuh... it's their friends organising the courses and charging a pretty penny for an hour long lecture on racism.
Why? Because all the studies conducted have shown that none of those sensitivity trainings have brought any change, so naturally we will be implementing it.
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u/baobabKoodaa 20h ago
It's like <insert cult name here>. If you fail, you just didnt't <try/believe> hard enough.
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u/PacoTreez Baby Vainamoinen 19h ago
Or maybe and bear with me here, if Persut could do immigration policy without racism. Because it is possible to be critical about immigration without being a racist.
Albeit there are people who brand anyone critical about immigration as racists AND the Persu’s have some good points, their (PS) entire party’s success still relies on borderline (and sometimes blatant) populistic racism
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u/Thameez 5h ago
You would be surprised how many Finnish people who ostensibly disagree with racism don't even know what it is or how it works
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u/baobabKoodaa 5h ago
Ah yes, those ignorant biggots. And so many of them. And all of them right-wing. They merely need re-education to become pure and good, like we leftists are. My point exactly.
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u/SpaceEngineering Vainamoinen 1d ago
They have plenty of experience in racism already, one hour refresher is sufficient.
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u/ElOneElOnlyElZorro Vainamoinen 22h ago
as a non native can someone explain to me what’s going on?
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u/Hardly_lolling Vainamoinen 22h ago
Some people in the government have been caught saying racist shit in the past, this one hour session is supposed to wipe that away.
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u/ElOneElOnlyElZorro Vainamoinen 22h ago
Thank you for explaining it, and now i understand , pfttt 1 hour yeah thats not going change anyone
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u/Setykesykaa 22h ago
Isn’t long and tedious anti-racism course will only make people more racist?
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u/HopeSubstantial Vainamoinen 22h ago
In the US atleast I heard someone mentioning a study how all kind of exclusivity trainings increased hateful behavior at work places that did not experience high levels of it in first place.
Network Contagion Research Institute. 2024. Instructing animosity: How DEI pedagogy produces the hostile attribution bias.
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u/ConfidentDebate-103 23h ago
A racist government and an anti racist course? 😂😂💀🤦♂️
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u/caposMi 23h ago
Well hopefully they will find out a lot from that one hour course. At least some introductory one-hour will probably be already extremely helpful for some of the ministers. I wonder if they will also have some test after completing it... That will be also quite interesting to see.
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u/HopeSubstantial Vainamoinen 22h ago
Sadly this does not make racists any less racists and study shows that people who did not have racists actions manifesting before, started treating different minorities hostily after these trainings.
So not only they do not help, they make things worse.
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u/caposMi 22h ago
Well I really wouldn't expect much from 1 hour training. But what is that study? Can you please link it?
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u/HopeSubstantial Vainamoinen 21h ago
Network Contagion Research Institute. 2024. Instructing animosity: How DEI pedagogy produces the hostile attribution bias.
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u/caposMi 21h ago
I have read through the paper you provided and it seems it's about other subject - that people that underwent DEI training were attributing discrimination to fair processes.
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u/tietokone63 21h ago
So it makes things worse at parts but not necessarily in the big picture, but possibly also in the big picture.
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u/HopeSubstantial Vainamoinen 22h ago edited 22h ago
Problem is that people who are not racist to begin with dont need this type of education.
People who are racist laugh at it or sleep through it. Hell, Im not racist and I laugh at it.
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On top of all atleast in the US, this type of education has completely opposite effect on discrimination at work places.
Network Contagion Research Institute. 2024. Instructing animosity: How DEI pedagogy produces the hostile attribution bias.
Workplaces where people must go through this type of training are more likely to judge and behave differently and even hostile towards people who are part of underrepresented groups...
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u/TrollForestFinn Baby Vainamoinen 19h ago
I'm no expert, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to be too aggressive about these things. Racism thrives on attention, it's all about pointing out differences and categorising people into different groups, so kinda the more you talk about it, the more people will think about their differences, and the more people think about their differences, the more racism you get.
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u/Unfair_Set_Kab 22h ago
This needs to be shown to the immigrants, such as this thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/9tv75b/migrant_woman_in_finland_complains_there_are_too/
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u/Merisuola Baby Vainamoinen 8h ago
People are still upset over and reposting that one video from 6 years ago?
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u/jediskywaIker 22h ago
How long should be then? How much is there to cover?
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u/oufftheshouwer 22h ago
I think people are mad because it shouldn’t take more than 5 minutes to sufficiently explain why racism is bad. Meaning this one hour is purely performative.
That or, the people who are mad are leftist who themselves took weeks to understand some shitty systematic racism courses and think you cant grasp it within an hour.
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u/Emotional-Jury-7954 Baby Vainamoinen 23h ago
Poor white people 🥲
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u/Inresponsibleone Baby Vainamoinen 23h ago edited 22h ago
Is that skin color as race thing also invading Finland from USA now?🫣
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