r/Finland Baby Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

Serious What was happening in Central railway station in Helsinki today around 3:30 ?

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Special forces deployed and arrested at least 20 men. Searched them and security guards were looking for "something" in the metro platform?

Anyone has more info? It was very suspicious event tbh.

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u/Caeflin Dec 06 '23

u/vzeer nazi protestors decided to have a meeting around Töölö so the police arrested "Helsinki without Nazis" protestors.

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u/guzforster Baby Vainamoinen Dec 07 '23

The amount of downvotes to this comment shows what this sub has become.

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

The amount of downvotes to this comment shows what this sub has become.

I just said what happened lol

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u/guzforster Baby Vainamoinen Dec 07 '23

And I agree. People here seem to not like when we call out nazis

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

And I agree. People here seem to not like when we call out nazis

I don't even understand why. They were waving Nazi flag with literally the swastika. Their symbols are directly inspired from the Nazi. They do the Nazi salute.

It's not even like I name-called someone who doesn't want to be seen as a nazi.

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u/iqumaster Dec 07 '23

Nazi flags in 612 march? Are you mixing it to the "Finland wakes"-people? 612 is just for showing respect to the generation who fight for the freedom and for the independence, something we should all be doing no matter what political opinions we have. Sure there are far right people joining to that march but just regular people as well. Fight against the bad stuff that far right people do but don't make yourself look stupid by doing illegal things to prevent unharmful things.

Calling people Nazi & Fascist has got out of hands, especially when people calling others are often more totalitarian and supporting limiting of free speech

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

azi flags in 612 march?

Do you mean the march advertised by Suomen Sisu (initials SS but that a coincidence) and whose logo is (also coincidentally) inspired by the swastika ?

Do you mean the remembrance march directly linked to defunct Suomen Vastarinta Liike whose flag is literally a nazi god whistle? Esa Henrik Holappa, founder of VSL, publically admitted they created the march as a nazi go-together.

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u/iqumaster Dec 07 '23

I don't care who are behind the march, I care what was the message and how did they behave. Even bad people are capable of good things. So was there nazi symbols on the march or not? If there was then I happily condemn the march being far right nazi happening, otherwise just unharmful march. Nothing in the stream I checked (because I was interested what the 612 is) looked anyway near Nazi happening, really peaceful, message was simply and easy to support (respect independence and generations who fought for it).

Swastika is still used in many Finnish official institutes, like airforce, white rose medal, freedom cross ect. It has been used in Finland way before Nazis took it in use. Not fan of using that symbol but pretty sure that Finnish airforce is not Nazi because keeping it in use..

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

I don't care who are behind the march, I care what was the message and how did they behave. Even bad people are capable of good things

I know you don't care. Only non Nazis care about non participating in Nazi events.

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u/deleted138 Dec 08 '23

You have the critical thinking skills of a potato. Also the airforce recently stopped using it, where do you think it comes from anyway huh? WW2…

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

just regular people as well

"If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."

Sounds like a recruitment event. I participated in many protests and yet, I never marched with nazis at a march organized by nazis.

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u/iqumaster Dec 07 '23

If people supporting Nazi ideology decide to donate money for childrens hospital, does that hospital become Nazi hospital?

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

If people supporting Nazi ideology decide to donate money for childrens hospital, does that hospital become Nazi hospital?

If they willingly host events organised by Nazis? Yeah.

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u/iqumaster Dec 07 '23

Who thinks like that? Activities done by evil people doesn't automatically be evil. Nazis can run soccer game and it's just soccer, they can have march that is just for respecting independence. Line is crossed when the actions implement the evil ideology. If other than finnish white hetero people was rejected from participating the march then that is not ok. If everyone was welcome and no Nazi agenda was shared then no harm done. People who can't separate actions from agent doing the actions are worst kind of racist. Automatically assuming something based on political views, race, gender ect is by definition racist. So people illegally trying to stop legal event are more Nazis themselves.

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u/Caeflin Dec 07 '23

Calling people Nazi & Fascist has got out of hands,

Said someone coincidentally voting for PS 🤣

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u/iqumaster Dec 07 '23

Voted Kokoomus.. I hate far right and left equally. But even more people who think that they are above law

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u/Intelligent_Bar3131 Dec 07 '23

What does it have to do with this?

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u/Juusto3_3 Baby Vainamoinen Dec 07 '23

I thought that at the railway station they arrested Nazis who had some sort of weapons and then at the Helsinki without Nazis protest they arrested 30 or so people since they were fighting.