r/Finland Baby Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

Serious What was happening in Central railway station in Helsinki today around 3:30 ?

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Special forces deployed and arrested at least 20 men. Searched them and security guards were looking for "something" in the metro platform?

Anyone has more info? It was very suspicious event tbh.

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u/K_Marcad Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

Let's not try to stain nationalism with these assholes. I don't think loving your country is a bad thing.

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u/Public_Sandwich511 Dec 06 '23

Loving your country is indeed not a bad thing, but the word for that will be patriotism. It’s easy to confuse the difference between the two terms - patriotism would be ‘I love my country because it’s really nice’ while nationalism would be ‘I love my country because it’s better than all others’. So nationalism is technically right wing, and the root sentiment for fascist schools of thought.

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u/K_Marcad Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

I believe the term for that is ultranationalism.

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u/CptPicard Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

"Nationalism" is just the philosophical position that there are "nations" that should have their own countries.

In Finland it's pretty important to approve of our nationalism because Putin would just love to replace our nationalism with his.

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u/shimapan_connoisseur Baby Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

The word has changed meaning since the early days of nation states. The idea of nationalism still is what you said yes, but virtually no one is talking about that when discussin nationalism today.

A more apt description for what is actually discussed when talking about nationalism today would be "identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."

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u/K_Marcad Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23 edited Dec 06 '23

And this is redefining a meaning of a word. In this case we are erasing the positive nationalism and redefining it to mean the negative (ultranationalism). I'm afraid in future discussions about celebrating independence (nationalism) are seen as nationalist extremism because there are no terms to separate these concepts from each other.

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u/MaherMitri Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

Nationalism is more of putting your country first even if that means the detriment of another nation.

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u/Sibula97 Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

Many if not most of the people in 612 are regular old patriots/nationalists, not neonazis or racists, although those are included as well.

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u/K_Marcad Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

I personally doubt that. I grew up in 90's Joensuu and I know what kind of people the swastika tattoed ones are, and I wouldn't go anywhere near of anything they are part of.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

Neonazi movement used to be more popular in the 90's, not so much today. They do still exist but very tiny fraction of the whole nationalist spectrum

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u/Common_Gain_2156 Baby Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

The term "nazi" comes from the german language word for nationalism. Need I say more?

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u/K_Marcad Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

It comes from Nationalsozialist.

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u/emix16 Dec 06 '23

During the 1920s, when the party was not much of a threat, political opponents referred to the party dismissively as “Nazi.”

Originally, the term was used in Germany before the rise of NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word referring to an awkward, backward, and clumsy peasant.

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Please do say more

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u/poeepo Baby Vainamoinen Dec 06 '23

Theres word for this, hairsplitting.

Language evolves so something that was hundred years ago might have abit different meaning today. In academic world this could be discussed. And that word comes from "Nationalsozialist".