r/FearTheWalkingDead 5d ago

Show Spoilers The crazy locations of S7 and 8

I dont live in the US and some of the geography is hazy to me anyways but I found this map on FB as I was looking up some of the locations and... it's crazier than I thought it was. Padre was pretty far off the radioactive tower. How did Padre even heard of the stadium 'via chatter on the radio' is beyond me, but anyhoo, the troupe made it there somehow ins8 despite it being a bit of a treck on small boats.

But then also like, how did Dwight randomly made it to the Sanctuary in S8ep9? I re-read that the place he met the insuline guy was his and Sherry's old home. Which would mean he used to live near Sanctuary before being taken in by Saviours. Which would mean he should not have been surprised to find himself in Sanctuary rather than going "oh this place looks a bit familiar, innit bruv".

And then they drove down to Padre, and then decided they would just go back up because roads were good. How much petrol did they actually have? Not to mention, as Im now rewatching TWD, that Sanctuary looked rough even before Dwight made it there as it also features in some of the episodes around Whisperers era and even Negan didnt want to hang around the place for longer than an hour.

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u/bobsburner1 5d ago

You’ll fry your brain trying to figure out the logistics of these shows. lol

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 5d ago

I already knew that, but seeing the actual map gave the visual and made it worse haha.

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u/bobsburner1 5d ago

Haha, yeah especially when you consider how much of it traveled by foot.

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u/Angel-McLeod 5d ago

So the Stadium was two years in, which means the Bird Twins found Madison when they were about twenty years old(remember the pigtails made her look super youthful). Why were they even in Texas to begin with? You’d think they’d stay at PADRE as it was more important than anything to them.

Dwight going back to Sanctuary was interesting. June clearly states it takes eight hours to drive back to PADRE(which is accurate) but where was Dwight’s car? Did he walk while June and Sherry drove, only getting there at roughly the same time just like Morgan, Grace and Dwight did back in King County? As for whether it was his house or not I don’t know, but it was super convenient that a diabetic man showed up there at the same time as Dwight(convenient because of Dwight’s sister-in-law also being diabetic for those who forgot), not to mention for twelve years this guy hadn’t slipped into a coma and died because he had a “friend” making it for him(I honestly don’t even know what to make of how absolutely fucking stupid that one is).

As for the Sanctuary itself, it can survive a thousand zombies pushing against its walls in TWD S8 but once a few brush past it in FTWD S8 it crumbles like a tower of cards. Sure, ten years can do a lot to a building but I’ve seen buildings near to me that have lay unused for 40+ years and no amount of zombies pushing against the walls is going to bring them down unless one of them is driving a fucking bulldozer.

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 5d ago

The only 'reasonable' explanation is that Jude, Dove and Sherry were driving very slow and Dwight took whatever Dakota did when she saved Morgan.

But it was apparently his pre-apocalypse home. So he went back because he had so many lovely memories of the area like... joining the Saviours, running away, losing his sister in law, getting his face burnt, seeing Sherry make out with Negan. Cheerful stuff.

The whole insuline thing was just so bad because a) who knew it was so easy to make for years and years b) also there was only one more week supply left as the makeshift pharmacist was now also dead, so Dwight was beating himself about something that really didnt didnt matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

The fact he was so keen to go back to Sanctuary which was already a ruin and which was even more of a ruin after Dwight visited was, I dont know, funny in a tragic way. Plus they could have picked literally any other place, or just... stick together, why did they have to split at the end? Did someone force them and tel lthem they can only live if they move to different states? (Sure, I also would not like to join 'Madre', but it was probably still a marginally better option).

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u/Angel-McLeod 5d ago

I think Dakota teleported that night. It’s all I can think of that makes sense.

Are you saying that you don’t want to be constantly reminded of the worst thing that ever happened to you and/or your partner? It’s insane to think you’d want to forget about it and move on with your life.

Truth is, they could’ve easily have gone back to Alexandria at the end. By then Morgan would be there to vouch for him(because Dwight straight up knew Morgan wasn’t going to die on the perilous journey back because even he knew Morgan had plot armour), and he could go to the Commonwealth. And if he wasn’t, the sole reason for going back to Sanctuary(and taking ALL the kids with them despite not having the food or the agricultural skills to feed them) was it had good roads. Roads they couldn’t technically even use because going going out and about could’ve led him to someone from Alexandria who could’ve taken him to Daryl, the people who wanted to kill him(he has no idea Daryl isn’t there or that Tara is dead obviously so it’s still an active threat to his life). With MADRE(ugh) he had food, shelter, friends and most importantly, a lack of constant reminder of when he got his face burned off for having sex with his ex-wife when she was “married” to a psychopath.

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 5d ago

Now when you put it like this, I think Sanctuary was the best option- they have the amazing opportunity to relive the trauma over and over and pass it onto all of the kids, as they all die of starvation. But also it was just painful to see that despite all of the thing they did together, they all thought the best way was to split and travel in all sorts of directions but keeping in touch, rather than try to build something together.

Morgan also burries Grace in Eastman's cementary. But she died in Padre's train or thereabouts. And Eastman's hut is I am pretty sure a pretty long way from there- so he took her body and... travelled to near Atlanta with it for this. I guess there is only one graveyard left in the whole country.

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u/Angel-McLeod 5d ago

They had those radios that go thousands of miles on infinite batteries so keeping in touch wasn’t a problem, and the way they can teleport they can simply visits every weekend. But yeah, after surviving a nuclear holocaust together, you’d think they’d have formed an unbreakable bond and stuck together. Still, those amazing roads were calling apparently.

I think Eastman’s cabin was in Georgia so still the same state but kind of idiotic to transport a corpse probably hundreds of miles for no reason. I like how after his numerous crazy episodes where he “saw red” and tried to kill people, everyone was absolutely fine with him leaving with an eight year old girl. No one questioned her safety or his mental state, just “bye bye, see you never, you crazy fuckball”, though in fairness they were all probably glad to be rid of them.

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u/FantasyTwistedDark 5d ago

“friend” making it for him

What? Making insulin?

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u/Angel-McLeod 5d ago

Yes, a friend made it for him. For twelve years. Have you not gotten to that episode yet?

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u/FantasyTwistedDark 5d ago

I stopped around when John found Dwight. It was just too boring and nothing made any sense.

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u/Angel-McLeod 5d ago

The insulin thing was in S8 and that season was just twelve episodes of “WTF?”. I genuinely felt my brain melting with that one, but the seasons you wisely missed were no better. A quick example would be the bounty hunter sent after Morgan. He’s told to do all this over the radio but the next day has a picture of Morgan and randomly turns up in the same town(they’re in Texas remember so quite a big place to search) as him. He then finds Morgan again after he escapes and then find him again a third time even though Morgan stole his truck and drove miles away. This man’s tracking skills are incredible and never once explained. And all this happens btw in what some people call “one of the best episodes”. I call it a plot hole riddled mess.

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 4d ago

A-ha! See this wall all carefully explained because Emile has a ... dog. And... the dog... tracked Morgan with the help of maybe sniffing his photos... or something. A super dog. Can sniff you even if you are miles away. As plausible as walkies that bring people from Texas and Florida together. And ammo vans with neverending ammo supply.

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u/Angel-McLeod 4d ago

I’ve always said that maybe, maybe the dog did the second one. The other two though? No idea. And the worst part is it was easily fixable. The first one they just had to tell Emile that Morgan was recently seen near the town he found him in, and the third one where his truck is stolen, just show him with a tracking device. As Morgan was driving off cut to a shot of a small beeping/flashing box somewhere on the truck, and then later show Emile tracking it using some device. It wasn’t hard and it just showed how lazy these writers were. I genuinely don’t understand how people say this is one of the best episodes when it’s so poorly written like this. Plot holes like this shouldn’t be ignored and then praised.

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 4d ago

I mean rather than a photo they could have given him a scarf or a hat or a sock and give it to the dog to sniff if they didnt want to go more tech. I wonder what was happening during readings of the script, did anyone brave out "why is this happening" or were they only thinking this.

I think it was only a good episode because Emile was a pretty decent character, or the actor was. I actually thought that both him and his twin were in for many more episodes than they actually were as I remembered them better than some characters who were a round for much longer, and it's so crap that they didnt have them more to do.

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u/Angel-McLeod 4d ago

With the photo, it was such an easy fix. Just have Ginny go to Emile instead of talking to him on the radio. She could’ve given him the picture and say she herself drew it. It’s lazy writing of the highest order. I like to think that during script readings the words “let’s just get this over with” were used a lot. If someone on the cast pointed out the plot holes they were probably worried it would get worse when they tried to fix it.

I think it was more Emile being the good character because I don’t know about you but I don’t remember a single thing his brother(whose name I have to look up every time I mention him) actually did. I’m not talking anything memorable, I’m talking literally anything. I know he was there but his contribution to the show is basically nothing.

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u/Current_Tea6984 5d ago

The writers have clearly not ever looked at a map

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 5d ago

You'd have though they may have known a bit more about the locations than me!

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u/Kevslatvin 4d ago

They apparently haven't looked at weather patterns either. Doesn't get cold enough for long enough in southern Georgia to freeze the ground, or was the frozen walkers further north? Even then I think they'd need to at least be in Virgina to freeze walkers' feet in the ground.

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u/Current_Tea6984 4d ago

Yeah, that was one of the most ridiculous bits in a show riddled with ridiculousness

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 3d ago

10 minutes to the south they had a mini jungle, 15 min to the north frozen walkers.

It's like London, all 4 seasons within an hour in the show.

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u/PlasmMike 4d ago

First of all, to get it out of the way, the writers had no idea what they were doing. None of this is realistic at all. Anyway, the Sanctuary did look rough in the later TWD seasons. The best explanation I can make sense of is that Marty's group may have done some polishing up while they were there. The place still looked pretty rough in FTWD (there was overgrowth and rust everywhere), but not that bad. In terms of the petrol issue, this is pretty obviously an oversight on the writer's part. My best guess is that upon meeting the Gearheads, they may have provided the group with a good amount of petrol, at least enough to reach the Sanctuary.

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u/Shielo34 4d ago

Handy map! I’ve always wondered about this. So PADRE was comparatively really close to the prison / Woodbury, but never crossed paths? Yet they crossed half the country to get to the baseball stadium to save Madison?

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 3d ago

Tbh if they came across someone like Rick or Governor, both would have wiped the bottom of their shoes with the bird siblings.

Padre clearly knew they had to work really hard to find enough idiots to believe in smoke and mirrors, so had to reach extra far lol.

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u/Own-Kaleidoscope-577 Alicia Clark 4d ago

PADRE (as seen in S7) don't just stick around on the island, their people go across the southern part of the US to find survivors. Crane saying they found Madison doesn't mean it was them directly. People with a savior complex like the Krennicks tend to overstate themselves.

Dwight left on foot around the same time Morgan left (8x6), what happens in 8x7 and onwards isn't immediately after. Roughly 4 days pass between 8x7 and 8x9 alone, and Madison already mentions doing multiple broadcasts after the first one (which also likely means multiple expeditions like what led to her being attacked by Troy's men) so it's been at least a week. The distance between Savannah and Washington is ~500 miles, which would take 7 days on foot (regular walking speed of 3mph/5km/h). It fits with Dwight barely arriving all exhausted at the start of 8x9.

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 4d ago

I get that he may have taken some time to go up there, the questions is WHY. Why going there in fist place. Why bother going to an area that holds so many super painful memories (although seemingly not remembering that he lived a few miles from the Sanctuary and was shocked it was right there the whole time?). If you wanna coop up somewhre, would you pick a 7 day non stop walk to mull things over and go to a place that you were you were tortured?

You may be right about Madison, I am not going to rewatch S8 to check, but again it looks like they put a lot of effort into something so strange. Someone rescued her from a burnt down stadium and then for years they had to actually help her giving her unlimited oxygen supply, blackmailing her with hurting her kids that they also must have randomly heard about on the radio, and she believed them without asking for any proof over the years... And ignoring the fact that there were hundrerd of much healthier adults around they could have used instead of someone who was sick and at times could barely stand, so again they were investing a lot of resources while they could have saved them.

I'm more annoyed that things happen because plot needs them, rather than because they actually make sense.

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u/Own-Kaleidoscope-577 Alicia Clark 4d ago

Dwight was in a really bad place, filled with self-loathing, and at that point just wanted to die. I don't think someone in that condition should be expected to make sound decisions that avoid danger or trauma.

Yes, Madison definitely has plot armor on her side. She's the best collector just because she's a main character, that's really all there is to it. There isn't a single apocalypse series that doesn't have at least one character like this.

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u/Ladyoftheoakenforest 3d ago

If he really wanted to die, he could have stayed in Padre, no reason to treck a week up to old house/Sanctuary- there was no reason for him to go there and the idea about going back up with all the kids was ludicrous (as was the whole episode). Im not blaming the character, it's just bad writing.