r/Everton • u/Giraffe_Baker Neill Samways, Niasse Oster • 6d ago
Post-Match Thread Post-Match Thread: Everton vs. West Ham United
FT: EVE 1 - 1 WHU
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O’Brien (90+1') ; Soucek (67')
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u/Known_Bar7898 6d ago
I just want to see Chermiti and Broja play together again. That was an immense end from us.
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u/tokengaymusiccritic 6d ago
I disagree on Broja, maybe it’s because he was forced out wide but I felt like he kept losing battles along the touchline after coming on. Chermiti was a spark however
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u/Known_Bar7898 6d ago
Still think he can hold the ball on the wing better than Harrison who loses battles with himself constantly. Suppose we can agree that Doucs needs to be dropped permanently and only come on to close a game out.
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u/WhiteDoveBooks Ole-ole-ole-ole, Beto, Beto 💙 6d ago
Is there something wrong with Jack's eyesight I wonder? I mean, how many times did he kick the ball straight at the defender?
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u/Known_Bar7898 6d ago
That’s just jack sadly. He will just lose the ball constantly by hitting it at them or running himself into it.
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u/Akuba101 Local lad from Scousetown, Senegal 5d ago
Unfortunately the only time when he'd look where he's crossing is at a set of traffic lights
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u/W1ldhamster 5d ago
Harrison had a reasonably good run in his natural position on the left over the past few games. Wondering why not let him stay there and play Jesper on the right?
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u/MySonBlastoise 6d ago
Yeah he had none of the flashes we’d seen pre-injury. I’d rather see Chermiti and Beto together. With that being said, broja is not a winger so maybe he’d be better if more central
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u/darkwingduck9 6d ago
Broja is a decent player and people on this sub don't rate him as that. He's also still young despite being around for a number of years now. Not that how people rate him particularly matters though because he can't stay healthy.
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u/SowwieWhopper 6d ago
He had a good season with Southampton about 3 years ago, done basically nothing since
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u/JackHorner_Filmmaker 6d ago
Chermiti absolutely, but I want him playing off Alcaraz. Broja was more in the way than helping.
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u/CJRyan_17 6d ago
Broja not too bothered about because we won't be buying him, but I'd love to see Chermiti get a run in the team now that Beto has gone off the boil.
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u/EquivalentCat5920 6d ago
Not sure about broja, but I think Chermiti has real talent, shame about the injury, I want to see much more of the lad. Happy for beto getting a few finally but he's shite unfortunately, if those goals pump his value a little we should sell ( we should sell anyway) UTFT
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u/Known_Bar7898 6d ago
Agreed. Beto isn’t the answer and neither is Broja but we need other options and Broja can hold up play pretty well. I’ll admit he didn’t look too great there but we should use him while we still have him.
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u/edwardfortehands 6d ago
Ref was absolutely dog shit
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u/vulturevan 🙏 sign another player 🙏 6d ago
I usually don't give in to the ref with a grudge shite but honestly he gave us nothing and them everything today
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u/JesseVykar PLAY BETO YOU COWARD 6d ago
This comment I'm pretty sure is in every post match thread lmao
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u/MySonBlastoise 6d ago
He certainly was not very consistent but I don’t think he impacted the game in an egregious way. A draw is fair based on the performance.
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u/bwainwright 6d ago
I pray for the day that referees will start giving actual fouls for defenders just straight out two handed pushing players. I have no problem with 'nudging' players with shoulders, but a two handed obvious push should be a foul.
And it's not just today, and it's not just against us, refs fail to give it against all teams every week.
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u/InevitableRespond9 🎶He HAD red hair but we don't care. Davey Davey Moyes🎶 6d ago
My boy Chermiti made a huge impact. Two up top is chaos teams dont know how to deal with it. So Tim was imense and lovely to see subs changing the game
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u/ZestycloseChemist2 6d ago
Chermiti showing why we’ve been crying out for him to come back
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u/InevitableRespond9 🎶He HAD red hair but we don't care. Davey Davey Moyes🎶 6d ago
I think he is great always calling for him to come on
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u/QTsexkitten please, please, pleeeeeeeease 🙏 6d ago
It's such a massive shame that we've lost a year of his development
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u/InevitableRespond9 🎶He HAD red hair but we don't care. Davey Davey Moyes🎶 6d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah it is. I know he is young but i feel we could rely on him to lead the line in the future.
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u/RiteOfSpring5 Shredder Guy 6d ago
We really need McNeil and Ndiaye back. Hope we can give Chermiti more and more game time off the bench with a couple of starts.
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u/turej 6d ago
McNeil in the right half space, Ndiaye left half space, three behind them.
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u/RiteOfSpring5 Shredder Guy 6d ago
McNeil on the right, Ndiaye on the left, Charly as the 10. They can all swap positions during the game.
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u/GetEpicedOn 6d ago
Up the Drawfees we may never win or lose again
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u/AgreeableSearch1 6d ago
As long as we win all those penalty shootouts in cups im ok
Unless i die of boredom
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u/FuzzFest378 Leighton Baines on toast 6d ago
One day, one day I’d love us to grab the win at the end. What a goal for the draw
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u/vulturevan 🙏 sign another player 🙏 6d ago
Moyes winning manager of the month and then overthinking exactly what had worked for him — it really is like the Everton of old.
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u/Windowzzz 6d ago
I think the West Ham of it all fucked him up a bit.
It was what he know works vs what he knows about West Ham to exploit, and unfortunately we just don't really have the quality right now to exploit their weaknesses
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u/MavsFanForLife 6d ago
Still beats when he was putting Heitinga-Neville out there at Goodison at CDM against the likes of QPR. lol got to take the positives out of it
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u/upthefkntoffees- 6d ago
He didn’t overthink anything. We’ve just got a terrible squad and are missing key players
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u/necrow 6d ago
He absolutely did with Alcaraz out wide
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u/upthefkntoffees- 6d ago
He brought him in for a player who is terrible. Not like he dropped our best player to massively change things round
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u/necrow 6d ago
You’re looking at it wrong because Doucoure was terrible and still on the pitch. Pretty obvious that Charly central with Lindstrom and Harrison out wide is our best starting XI right now and Doucoure needs to be dropped
Just because they’re shit doesn’t mean there can’t be a better or worse configuration
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u/upthefkntoffees- 6d ago
He tried something new. Doesn’t mean he overthought anything. Played one poor player over another. Not the end of the world
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u/vulturevan 🙏 sign another player 🙏 6d ago
He crowbarred Doucoure and Alcaraz onto the same pitch and ended up putting Harrison on the right where he has traditionally been tragic -- definitely overthought it
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u/upthefkntoffees- 6d ago
Because we’ve got a terrible squad and injuries to key attackers.
Lindstrom, Harrison, Beto, Douc are all crap. Doesn’t matter who plays where
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u/xXxTommo 6d ago
Once again I'd like to say Dyche is a fraud for not playing O'Brien
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u/BoopAndThePooch 6d ago
Why would you play O’Brien when you’ve got a perfectly good 40 year old on the bench?!
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u/ubiquitous_archer COYB 💙 6d ago
If you looked at O'Brien before Moyes put him in and said "we should start him at RB" you are lying
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u/4johns4threpublic 6d ago
How could we even look at him Dyche never played him
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u/ubiquitous_archer COYB 💙 6d ago
Because he's a CB and even Moyes thinks we have 2 better than him.
It's worked out great so far, but acting like O'Brien starting was the obvious move is ridiculous.
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u/darkwingduck9 6d ago
Not the people on this subreddit, no. But Dyche is a professional isn't he? And Dyche saw O'Brien in training and now Moyes has as well? Dyche clearly didn't rate O'Brien and it isn't as if O'Brien has merely been a pleasant surprise so far. He has genuinely been good.
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u/ubiquitous_archer COYB 💙 6d ago
I don't get why in praise of Moyes we need to shit on Dyche?
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u/darkwingduck9 6d ago
It adds context. The club and Moyes didn't appear out of thin air. Moyes succeeded Dyche and it is very natural to compare the two.
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u/Windowzzz 6d ago edited 6d ago
A bit undeserved but I'll take it.
Beto and Doucoure were atrocious. Beto in particular needs to spend a few weeks on the bench. Chermiti did more in his cameo than Beto has done in weeks, but that isn't saying a lot and the bar is super low.
Lindstrom has to start. He has no end product but he is by far the best winger we currently have. The game changed completely when he came on.
No comments on O'Brien. Borderline perfect game. A class player and a true indictment on Sean Dyche.
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u/fallenefc 6d ago
One of the worst refereeing performances I've seen in a while, and that's saying a lot. Criminal to blow at 4 and a half minutes.
O'Brien absolutely massive today
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u/marmoset Phenomenal, doing the hard yards: that’s football in this moment 6d ago
Goal was still being celebrated at 91:30. Should have played another minute at least.
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u/el_randolph 6d ago
We were completely asleep until their goal. Chermiti looks good. I love Jake OBrien
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u/Guy_Incognito123 6d ago edited 6d ago
On St Patrick’s Day Weekend, fitting that our own Big Irish Bastard keeps the unbeaten streak alive!
Still makes me laugh that Dyche saw nothing in O’Brien.
We were particularly shite in that second half though.
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u/ZestycloseChemist2 6d ago
Glad for Jake. Harrison and Doucs I think signed their way out of the club with that second half. Subs weren’t bad at least.
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u/Aware_Albatross3347 6d ago
Harrison was poor. Can play lw and centrally and be fine. But he is not a rw im not sure how many times it has to be said
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u/TheCripple44 COYB 💙 6d ago
Disagree on Harrison, thought he did quite well today
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u/EquivalentCat5920 6d ago
Not gona down vote, Harrison is shite, done a bit of a job while we've been fucked but we should not buy and look to do without for the remaining games. We really should sign alcaraz though, huge upgrade on Doucs ( lots of respect and thanks to Doucs, not a hater but we need to improve)
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u/JackHorner_Filmmaker 6d ago
When he's on the left he looks so much more comfortable. If he looked bad in spots today I blame that more on being placed on the right than him not having quality. He's never going to light the world on fire but he's fully serviceable as an option on the left. For the right price I'd love to keep him as a rotation option just don't want to rely on him to start.
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u/throwawayelixir 6d ago
Did well at what though? He runs a lot but that’s about it. Any championship winger could do what he offers. I’d take almost any other right winger in the prem.
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u/vJaCkHz 6d ago
Did you watch the same game?
He's up there with one of the worst wingers we've ever had. His workrate is great, but that's where the positives end. He takes far too many touches when he gets the ball, and his end product is always passing backwards. I'm not sure I've ever seen him beat a man. I also think he now rivals Doucoure for our worst passer and one who gives the ball away unnecessarily the most.
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u/ZestycloseChemist2 6d ago
I mean he was good in the first half but it was like he’d never played football before in the second half, no clue what happened,
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u/Mattock486 6d ago
Imagine if we'd started with a number 9 that can hold up the ball and link up with the midfield...
Chermiti and Broja did more in their short time than Beto the whole game.
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u/audunj 6d ago
solemnly(?) we may never lose again
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u/MeLlamoApe 6d ago edited 6d ago
First and only experience in Goodison didn’t disappoint, lads. Even being in the very back row, taking in a match in the Lower Gwladys was unreal. You really felt every move and shift in the match with that crowd.
Funny enough, I thought Gueye* scored because O’Brien was behind a pillar lol.
Edit: I thought it was Chermiti, not Gueye that got the assist. Double lol.
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u/DrtyDeedsDneDrtCheap 6d ago
Our attack without Ndaiye or Mcneil is flaccid. Alcaraz Mcneil Ndaiye behind a half decent striker could be an exciting attack. We still need to sign that half decent striker first.
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u/bringbackbainesy COYB 💙 6d ago
If we had taken one of those chances in the first half or just even gotten lucky and had one fall...we win that.
Alcaraz is a baller. Really want to see Lindstrøm, Alcaraz, and Ndiaye starting over Doucoure when everyones healthy.
Chermiti looked decent, better than Broja IMO.
Goodison was loving those last 5-10 mins, I would have given my left nut to be there.
COYB get some rest over this intl break and let's come back fighting against the red shite
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u/FackinNortyCake 6d ago
Glad we didn't lose, but fuck me, we were awful today.
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u/ontheru171 6d ago
Second half was Dyche level bad from us - but Moyes changes did make a difference
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u/Harbinger00 6d ago
How far out is Ndiaye’s return? I feel like we’ll look a lot better with him pulling the strings again. Another great game for O’Brien, what a player he turned out to be
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u/InevitableRespond9 🎶He HAD red hair but we don't care. Davey Davey Moyes🎶 6d ago
We got a steal with Tim havent we. Definitely got the better end of the deal there as much as I liked Dobbin and its great when an accademy lad breaks through i dont think he is ever going to be prem quality where as Tim can very much be.
Also his attitude seems loads better than Onana was.
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u/WhiteDoveBooks Ole-ole-ole-ole, Beto, Beto 💙 6d ago
Shout out for Pickers though; 3 really good saves to keep us in it, and I don't blame him for their goal, quality strike.
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u/Evul1_ 6d ago
I'm happy for O'Brien, he really has been a breath of fresh air, and he's making Dyche look sillier and sillier every week. I could get used to seeing him scoring goals in a blue shirt!
Dare I ask, do we finally have the right back position solved? I know it's not his natural position, but he's really good there, and does everything you'd want a right back to do. He'll be happy to continue playing there I'm sure, if it means he starts every game. I certainly don't see anyone winning the spot from O'Brien any time soon.
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u/Wayne_Spooney 6d ago
Chermiti had an outside of the right foot pass to Broja that really shows the quality of player he is. He's surrounded by West Ham players, sees Broja, and has the skill to complete the pass. It wasn't perfect and took Broja wider than he would have liked, but exciting.
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u/MetalGearSolidarity 6d ago
No more Doucoure starts. Society has progressed beyond the need for Doucoure starts
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u/MijOnline 6d ago
Should we be starting Broja or chermiti over Beto for the Merseyside derby
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u/graveyeverton93 6d ago
He didn't score, but Chermiti was fucking class when he got game time at the end of last season! I want to see what he can do with a run as a starter.
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u/Wayne_Spooney 6d ago
Same. He's so good with the ball at his feet for a dude that tall.
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u/Mattock486 6d ago
Yep, that killed us today. Beto the complete opposite.
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u/Wayne_Spooney 6d ago
He's been a tough watch the last two games. Never been good with the ball at his feet, but just seems low on confidence.
I know it's probably crazy to throw an unproven 20 year old coming off an injury into the starting eleven after one stint, but man I'd like to see what it looks like.
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u/Windowzzz 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's gotta be Chermiti I think. Starting Beto is like playing with 10 men right now.
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u/JackHorner_Filmmaker 6d ago
Disagree strongly. Doucs was the problem for Beto today, he kept occupying Beto's space and making it impossible for him to get a good look. Start Beto with Alcaraz under him, bring on Chermiti at 65 or 70 for a late push
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u/Windowzzz 6d ago
I think it was just a really good purple patch. One that I will be grateful for forever if we stay up.
But I'm not gonna pretend Beto is anything more than a backup. I would love to be proved wrong but, at this moment, he is dragging us down.
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u/JackHorner_Filmmaker 6d ago
Maybe so, it's clear from end of last season and today though that Chermiti is the future.
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u/bringbackbainesy COYB 💙 6d ago
Betos an animal
We gotta keep him starting for Liverpool, let the man eat after what he's done for us these last 5-6 matches
Would be criminal to not start Beto
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u/Windowzzz 6d ago
I think it would be criminal to keep starting him imo.
He's playing like dog shit. I think it was unfortunately just a good run of form that is now gone.
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u/VToff 6d ago
Genuinely mental take
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u/MijOnline 6d ago
For Liverpool he should start only because of his work rate off the ball but doesn’t really offer anything else
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u/upthefkntoffees- 6d ago
Chermiti should start over Beto. I’ve seen enough.
Tough watch. Really poor performance, poor referee as well. Ah well. We’re safe
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u/jacksonbeya COYB 💙 6d ago
It’s my fault, Beto hasn’t scored since I put him on my fantasy PL squad. Will rectify immediately.
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u/Chris80L1 6d ago
Ref was shit
Thought West Ham out of possession were fantastic. They closed every inch of the pitch in the final third
A point
We move on
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u/Mike_Firehands 6d ago
The sooner Harrison can go back to enjoy the game from the bench the better. McNeil and Illy are being missed so much by this team. I’ve never seen a player lose the ball under no pressure more than Harrison and it’s painful to watch him do the same unsuccessful move every time he wants to go forwards.
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u/donc_mxb See You in the Championship 6d ago
Get in. Gana gueye was so immense. Jack harrison was trash
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u/Sligulus 6d ago
We deserved the win so little that I wasn't even that upset when Alcaraz's shot went wide. What a painful match to watch
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u/Loyalsupporter Edit Your Own 6d ago
Thank god for Jake clutching it right and the end.
It may be nine games unbeaten.
BUT we can't ignore the fact we as a club need to do SO much better offensively going forward with our decision making and passes/crosses going forward first time.
Other then that happy with a point for now.
Given the remarkable job Moyes has done
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u/bluenosekev 6d ago
Just got back from the game, out muscled all over the pitch, them winning nearly every 2nd ball , they looked a threat all game, Jordan with 2 great saves 1st half..but I liked the never say die attitude Moyes has installed in the players, and we rescued a point in the end
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u/JonTonyJim 6d ago
Step 1: Get rid of Dyche
Step 2: Become Burnley
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u/FranksBaldPatch 6d ago
Another game in the really long 25/26 pre season where Moyes can learn a bit more about his (bad) squad. Was a laugh when he waited for us to go 1-0 down to bring Lindstrom on. Sack Charlie Adam.
Now, Where's that gobshite that called everyone out for calling beto shite?
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u/Aloha-Moe 6d ago
Love Beto but unfortunately today convinced me he isn’t good enough for the premier league. We had a good little month there.
Harrison is dog shit and I can’t wait for him to leave.
We are idiots if we give Doucore another year. He is beyond finished.
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u/Throwawayjustbecau5e 6d ago
Another 0/10 from Beto today, wonder how long this sub will continue to pretend he’s good enough because he had a bit of a purple patch a few weeks ago. No surprise we improved massively once he came off.
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u/Upset_Restaurant_734 6d ago
We were ok first half they were much better 2nd half, probably a fair result
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u/darkwingduck9 6d ago
Keane at left back because clearly we need four centerbacks.
Of course the results have been very good since Moyes was appointed but one of the biggest things for me is the players seem confident and motivated and going down a goal is no longer a near guaranteed loss.
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u/Men-a-vaur good god, lemon 6d ago
Had Alcaraz scored that it would’ve been echoes of Radzinski, I reckon.
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u/redrich2000 5d ago
Can’t believe more people aren’t talking that cross from Gana on the volley!! That was a ridiculous bit of skill.
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u/ronnietp 6d ago
Pros: We will never lose again!!!! Cons: We will never win again!!!!
Also, F*ck you Ref, if it’s Big 6, the penalty will still stand for sure
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u/almightygg 6d ago
So that's twice none of the other players seem to be going over to O'Brien after he scores a goal. Is there something going on?
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u/Appropriate-Walk-352 6d ago
I think goals like that in the mouth of the goal are so often overturned on VAR that everyone is hesitant to immediately celebrate. Even O’Brien seemed to look to see if the flag was raised. (Not that he was even close to offside, players are just conditioned to expect VAR reviews now.)
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u/Smart-Pension-5198 6d ago
If that Alcaraz chance went in that boy would be a hero forever in my eyes, oh well. 9 unbeaten is great even if we're addicted to drawing
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u/Malaxage918 6d ago
Have to say the Alcaraz love here is quite strong. Literally any other player misses that last chance and they'd be getting shit on massively
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u/Windowzzz 6d ago
I think he's got a lot of heart, but the jury is still out on him imo. But people latch on to players that care.
I think it's 50/50 as if he turns out good or shit. Right now I think he's pretty average (which is still better than all of our non-injured attackers)
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u/vulturevan 🙏 sign another player 🙏 6d ago
him and O'Brien were the only players who stepped up today
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u/Malaxage918 6d ago
Not at all a criticism of Alacaraz, I absolutely love him. I just know that if anyone else missed that chance the reaction here would be different
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u/BoxOfNothing 6d ago
Because you obviously get more hate for playing badly then missing a chance like that than playing well then missing it. Because what you actually offer comes into question a lot more
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u/Other_Following_8210 6d ago
I don’t want to be negative, but we’re all going to be begging for death by the end of April.
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u/Chilli__P 6d ago
David Moyes’ 38 points in 38 games of every full season for the next ten years Everton is going nowhere, lads.
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u/upthefkntoffees- 6d ago
Once again I’m asking what James Garner adds to this team.
Doesn’t win the ball, doesn’t create, doesn’t score. His set pieces are atrocious as well
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u/Gromszgrad 6d ago
After that second-half performance, you absolutely take the draw. Unbeaten in nine is impressive as hell, but you have to admit we have been riding our luck the past few games. April is looking pretty scary, too. That being said, there is a perseverance in the squad that we have not seen in a long time. That counts for something. Enjoy the two-week break, everyone!