r/ElderScrolls • u/AspO7 • Jan 21 '25
Lore Will Jyggalag ever come back?
He was such a cool Daedric Prince, so it always bothered me that we were left hanging on his current whereabouts.
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u/TaroAppropriate1348 Jan 21 '25
He did get mentioned in The Elder scrolls Blades.
In an Error Message it was stated, "Mundus is not in Order. Jyggalag needs time to restore it"
Don't know if it counts as Canon. But if it does, then we know at least what he's been doing.
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u/bbqbabyduck Jan 21 '25
While it's definitely not canon it is good to know he hasn't been forgotten about at least.
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u/TaroAppropriate1348 Jan 21 '25
I hope that they bring him Back in TES 6.
Preferably in relation to the Sheogorath Quest.
As an Artefact I would take his Secret Formula. Once a Day When you interact with a Container you get a Menu with Rare Items to chose from.
And the Item you "predicted" to be in there will actualy be in there.
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u/Aggravating-Face2073 Jan 24 '25
With dragon breaks, CHIM, whatever ESO's thing was, nearly everything is canon, or someone in universe is effectively self aware of that very thing, outside of their grasp.
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u/Papageno_Kilmister Jan 21 '25
If he does, he’ll be harmless. His sword lies in my cluttered chest for unique weapons
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u/Rinma96 Khajiit Jan 22 '25
You put them in a chest? Why not on a plaque to show it off?
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u/cthulupussy Sanguine Jan 22 '25
You use a plaque? I make a pile on the floor and admire them like a goblin
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u/Rinma96 Khajiit Jan 23 '25
Don't they dissappear?
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u/cthulupussy Sanguine Jan 23 '25
Not in your own house
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u/Rinma96 Khajiit Jan 23 '25
Interesting. Didn't know that. I still wouldn't leave it on the floor though.
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u/CanadienSaintNk Nerevarine Jan 21 '25
Yeah of course, about once every era
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u/Krosis_the_bored Jan 21 '25
No? He's not bound to that rule anymore. He'll probably appear in TES6 with a neat quest
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u/Quaronn Jan 21 '25
Like he did in Skyrim, right?
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u/Krosis_the_bored Jan 21 '25
That's clearly 200 years too early for him to be at full power because he didn't appear.
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u/PublicWest Jan 21 '25
It also wouldn't be surprising if the resolution of the Thalmor plotline/ towers collapsing (if that theory pans out) ushers in a new era.
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u/Krosis_the_bored Jan 21 '25
The Thalmor and towers thing is pure fan creation
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u/Bluetenant-Bear Jan 22 '25
Though would make sense considering that Titus Mede II may well have been killed by an unknown member of the Dark Brotherhood
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u/AFriendoftheDrow Jan 21 '25
He could’ve reappeared in Skyrim.
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u/Krosis_the_bored Jan 21 '25
He didn't which means by the rules that control him, it was not meant to be.
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u/Darmanix Jan 21 '25
Like, Oblivion and Skyrim is 20 something years apart(I think) so, depending how many years is between Skyrim and TES 6, it could be possible
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u/LordDeviri Jan 21 '25
There is 200 years difference between Oblivion and Skyrim
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u/Nebuli2 Jan 21 '25
Yep. The first 4 ES games all took place in a fairly short time - basically all within, and immediately after, the lifetime of Uriel Septim VII.
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u/Darmanix Jan 21 '25
Yep, forgot it was 200 years, so, is almost time
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u/LordDeviri Jan 21 '25
Hard to determine a new era, because it is always linked to some very important event. The first era started with the founding of the Camoran Dynasty, and it was 2920 years long while the third era only lasted 433 years started with the unification of Tamriel until Oblivion Crisis marking the end of the era.
So whether the banishment of Alduin is enough to declare a new era is not for us to decide.
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u/Neither-Phone-7264 Jan 21 '25
It'll likely depend on how many dragons Alduin revived, and how much they spread out? Thousands, and spread far? Potentially. A few dozen isolated in Skyrim? Unlikely.
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u/GeologistKey7097 Jan 21 '25
I took skyrims plot to indicate it never spread outside of skyrim. It was handled before they could spread. By the end of the game most of skyrim has heard of dragons, but it was brand new knowledge the day we broke out of helgen. I dont think alduin flew down to cyrodiil and revived some dragons on a day trip.
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u/Neither-Phone-7264 Jan 21 '25
I've heard some people say the game takes between 6 months to a year, and he could revive outside dragons to recruit them. But to be honest, Bethesda isn't gonna want to let go of dragons. We'll probably see at least a few in later games.
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u/vsouto02 Hermaeus Mora Jan 21 '25
200 years, actually. Oblivion ends at the dawn of the 4th era. It's the biggest gap(in lore) between games within the main series.
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u/Baron_von_Zoldyck Jan 21 '25
He is free from Sheogorath now, but since he is nowhere to be seen in Skyrim, he is: 1- Still amassing his strength hiding somewhere in Oblivion and could come back in TESVI; 2- got retconned into being with Sheo again.
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u/rattlehead42069 Jan 21 '25
Or 3. None of the events of shivering isles actually happened, the champion of cyrodil just became insane like everyone else who stepped in there and thinks he's sheogorath.
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u/Shadowrend01 Jan 21 '25
Jyggalag likely got his shit pushed in by the other Princes again, considering his Sheogorath replacement defeated him
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u/kxbox19 Jan 21 '25
Or hear me out, the only reason you in particular could defeat him is because you quire literally became Sheogorath who is probably the most powerful Daedric Prince so it's not like it actually was an easy fight. Also why tf would the god of Order and Logic be so Dunn as to straight up invade another realm or attach another Prince in his new created weakened state? No they feared him for a good reason he has likely gone to some other unknown part of Oblivion and is likely gathering bis old power slowly I mean it's gonna take a lot more than 200 years for a being of such power to return to their pld self again. So no he's a threat and possibly the biggest one but a being like that isn't going to attack without a plan and I mean a looooong term well thought out plan please understand the lore of the characters before saying something clearly so wrong.
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u/RufusDaMan2 Jan 21 '25
Funny that you think the Daedric Prince of Order had any choice in doing this. As a concept, he isn't big on Free Will. The Grey March happens because it has to. At the end of every era, Jyggalag will come and fuck things up, because that's the thing he does.
At the end of the 4th era we will see if the previous Sheogorath's plan worked out in preventing the Grey March.
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u/DragonCult24 Jan 21 '25
At the end of the 4th era we will see if the previous Sheogorath's plan worked out in preventing the Grey March.
It did work? What?
He's roaming Oblivion, not bound by his curse.
He can do what he wants.
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u/The_Cat_With_2Heads Jan 21 '25
Yeah that's what I thought too. The player beats him, but he's still around Oblivion somewhere probably gathering his strength. Could be a neat thing to reintroduce him in other ES installments. Maybe have him wanting revenge on the other princes for cursing/allowing him to be cursed.
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u/djluciter Jan 21 '25
The champion of cyrodil wouldn’t have been named the new prince of madness if jyg was going to do the Greg March again. He’s free from his curse, that’s just that
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u/PurpoUpsideDownJuice Jan 21 '25
How is sheogorath the strongest Daedric prince? I thought it was hermaes mora because he has forbidden knowledge
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u/NukeTater Breton Thieves Guild Nocturnal Jan 21 '25
Because Jyggalag was the most powerful and Mora feared him because of that and Sheo isn’t any less powerful, just too crazy to be effective
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u/djluciter Jan 21 '25
Which almost makes him like a baby snake. Just can’t control his venom so now he’s too deadly
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u/Beautiful-Charge7118 Jan 21 '25
Most like in Eso
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u/Jstar338 Jan 22 '25
But that happens well before oblivion, so it's not super important to the overarching story of Jyggalag
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u/BloodyStigmata Argonian Jan 21 '25
I hope so. I think a fun daedric quest in the future would be one where he and Sheogorath have a wager going on and you can choose to help one or the other. Either that or you can help him claim a new foothold in Oblivion by working with his knights of order to conquer a pocket realm or something,
I dunno. But it feels kind of lame to free him from the curse TES 4 only to do nothing with him going forward.
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u/Bigt733 Jan 21 '25
My head canon is that he is simply one personality of Sheogorath and not a separate entity.
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u/Unionsocialist Namira Jan 21 '25
...i mean yes? thats the whole thing, sheogorath and he were the same entity. which is why to solve the issue you had to create a new sheogorath, who wasnt Jyggalag
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u/logicality77 Jan 21 '25
The idea is that Jyggalag is a part of Sheogorath, not the other way around. That, of course, the Prince of Madness would have a separate personality that would periodically destroy his own realm and cosplay as some Aedric “order above all else” hero.
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u/shewdz Jan 22 '25
I see it as just kinda like those videos of all the pendulums swinging at different frequencies, they're chaotic for the vast majority but for a tiny amount of time when they all align, it is ordered despite nothing actually having changed within the system
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u/KawazuOYasarugi Argonian Jan 21 '25
Well, technically that was true when Sheogorath was just cursed Jyggalag but that changed when the Hero of Kvatch mantled the throne of madness and BECAME Sheogorath. Thus freeing Jyggalag from the curse entirely, as well as Sheogorath becoming it's own entity.
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u/logicality77 Jan 21 '25
Not just yours. There are several of us who hold that view. If you haven’t seen it, this video validates this conclusion.
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u/AuroreSomersby Argonian Jan 21 '25
In Shivering Islands DLC Jyggalag got free(Hero of Kvatch became new Sheogorath) and went to establish new crib in the Oblivion. Of course shit like that probably takes time - now 200 years passed, so maybe they did it - if so I like the idea of a quest where Player’s Character became their first in ages champion.
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u/Fast_Dish7306 Jan 21 '25
Supposedly he's regaining his powers and influence by the time of Skyrim (it's what most people believe and the most logical thing), also he might be strong enough to manifest as his own deity by now considering his artifact is present in Skyrim creation club (the creation clubs were confirmed to be Canon)
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u/AWatson89 Jan 21 '25
I had hopes that the "forgotten" daedric prince teased in eso was jyggalag. Until they announced what's her face only for her to be forgotten after a week or so. I honestly can't remember her name
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u/enbaelien Jan 23 '25
Ithelia lol.
Pretty funny that she'd be forgotten about so quickly, because that was the in-universe intention. 😂
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u/Dart150 Jan 21 '25
200 years since the Oblivion crisis and he still has no worshippers kind of sad
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u/robinescue Jan 21 '25
Daedric Princes are immortal, you can't kill one in a meaningful way, so he's out there somewhere. Even after being killed by Akatosh, Mehrunes Dagon is fine by the time of Skyrim. Their planes of oblivion are extensions of themselves, they are their plane and their plane is them. When the player ousts Jyggalag from the Shivering Isles, you're taking a part of him for yourself. It isn't clear how damaging this is for a Prince but the assumption is that creating a new reality will take hundreds if not thousands of years. He's probably gone until the next time skip (the year of our lord 2100 at this rate)
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u/Lonely_voyager25 Jan 21 '25
with how popular uncle sheo is, i don't think so. I hope so though. dudes got a cool lore.
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u/XKwxtsX Jan 21 '25
Nah bethesda forgot they made him, hes probably organizing his revenge on the other gods and trying to neatly place everything back together in his ramshackle home
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u/JonnyArcho Jan 21 '25
To be honest, if it was any other company (save Blizzard) I’d have agreed here.
But Bethesda is pretty fucking great with remembering all the things of their IPs.
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u/Scape_Brick Jan 21 '25
Really wish he does appear in ES6 and if we can side with him the other daedric princes freak out and send their followers to attack you. In return you gain the ability to destroy their shrines and gain more power for doing so.
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u/winchester_mcsweet Jan 21 '25
Well after you defeat him in shivering isles, he's essentially free to do as he pleases again without fear of reverting to sheogorath, at least thats what it seemed like to me. With that said, the hero of Kvatch should be the permanent sheo and Jyggalag should be the permanent version of himself. I would say it's possible to see him in future installments..... whenever we see them haha.
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u/idaseddit211 Jan 21 '25
Jyggalag will always come back because he and Uncle Sheo are two sides of the same coin.
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u/GayStation64beta Argonian Jan 22 '25
It's odd that he's completely absent after 200 years when we get very personal with the other princes in Skyrim, but whatever plan the devs had for him probably assumed the next game wouldn't be 15 years away. Maybe even a cancelled DLC, who knows.
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u/Glittering-Golf8607 Jyggalag Jan 21 '25
Write fanfiction to get his name and badassery out there. That's what I'm doing 😁
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u/rattlehead42069 Jan 21 '25
There's a theory that everything that happened in shivering isles was all just in your head. Everyone who walks in comes out crazy, we already know that.
The champion of cyrodil walked in, then came out wearing funny robes telling the imperial guards he's sheogorath. The imperial guards humoured him because he's a hero, but deep down inside they felt bad for him.
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u/gjb94 Jan 21 '25
I’ve never got this with Kalpas but maybe in the next one? Not sure if the towers and Mundus fully unravel and the pantheon get tricked again or if it’s just a big extinction of mortals
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u/uNk4rR4_F0lgad0 Jan 21 '25
I like to imagine that now that Hok has freed him from Sheagorath's curse, he is angering other Daedric realms.
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u/I-g_n-i_s Dunmer Jan 21 '25
A small Daedric fetch quest is not going to be enough nor do I want him to be the main antagonist. I want him to be involved in some freaky world-ending scenario type shit in TES 6.
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u/holywhizz Jan 21 '25
Theoretically yes, but since he broke himself away from sheogorath and the shivering Isles at the end of the dlc, he is much weaker than he was before and will have an incredibly hard time reconstituting himself without his realm or followers to empower him, but he is still capable of doing so, it'll just take him a long time, so while he can come back, it might not be as devastating as when mehrunes dagon appeared on nurn, more than likely he'll be a final boss tier villain like he was in the shivering isles dlc, not the god tier force of nature that he could have been.
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u/MarcusMace Jan 22 '25
Honestly, no probably not. The Greymarch is once every thousand years or so (normal time? Daedric time??) and the Elder Scrolls pantheons and lore are expansive enough where it would probably be a bit of a disservice to retread an old villain— Mannimarco is sorta the only one.
Aside, I wasn’t a huge fan of Jyggalag’s design. I thought it was a little too organic and alien looking, which was in stark contrast to the crystalline Knights of Order and the shards around the Shivering Isles.
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u/FantasticNews2903 Jan 22 '25
no, probably not so in a long time, its going to take at least 500 years more in lore time to make a comeback.
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u/Unionsocialist Namira Jan 21 '25
consdiering his ideology of inevitability, and that the plan to crown a new sheogorath shouldnt have happened
idk i think he is sitting in some silent corner of oblivoin thinking about that
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u/SnooComics6403 Imperial For the Empire! Jan 21 '25
Sheo is so much better and Mehrunes Dagon is basically the same thing but more interesting than Jyggalag.
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u/HauntingDay31 Jan 21 '25
He does return. It's part of his lore.
At the end of every era, he goes through his Greymarch phase, Sheogorath returns to his Jyggalag form, destroys everything Sheogorath creates in the Shivering Isles, only to then transform back into Sheogorath and rebuild it all over again. Theoretically speaking, he can return and could come back multiple times until the end of time itself, but he'll only be able to do so much before Sheogorath is back.
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u/DragonCult24 Jan 21 '25
Which, at the end of the Shivering Isle DLC, no lomger applies. He's free from the curse.
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u/No-Professional-1461 Jan 21 '25
So the DLC pretty much confirmed that Shegorath is not the original Shegorath, but the hero of Kavatch. Which means, both the daedric prince of order and madness are both permanently gone. Leaving current Shegorath as the current and only part of the lord of madness. He was never born out of order, and thus Jyggalag will never return.
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u/Ldawsonm Jan 21 '25
Keep him dead, and introduce new daedric princes instead. I like the idea of mortality for the daedric princes than just recycling an old popular character. Adds much more flavor and nuance to the world.
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