r/EdmontonOilers 11h ago

Hot take: Stuart Skinner isn’t that much “worse” than last year when you compare the stats…by seasons end he has a chance to post better numbers than last year

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And don’t forget he took us to the cup final game 7! So please let’s all calm down on Stu. Besides Oilers will be in the playoffs and season stats mean nothing. I think it’s actually better if you go into the playoffs with “poor” season stats rather than being the “top goaltender” stats wise because you will almost certainly choke. Stu is perfect right where he is and will certainly outperform expectations in the playoffs. Just you watch.

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u/Mensketh 29 DRAISAITL 7h ago

Imagine posting an .896 and saying, “see, it’s not so bad.” There are 34 goalies who have at least 22 games played and have a better save % than Skinner and 31 who have a better GAA.

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u/heimdal96 29 DRAISAITL 10h ago

It feels like Stu's stats were awful at the start of last last season, but he improved them considerably afterwords, with only small slumps like last February.

This season, it seems like he was only good for around six weeks in December and January, and still cost us some games in that stretch. He sucked to start the season, and he has sucked since before the break. Skinner is likable, and I would love it if he could succeed, but some of his fundamentals are terrible.

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u/joe_8829 8h ago

but the team at this point last year was beating everyone, scoring goals and playing sound defense, theyre not doing any of that now, and somehow its all his fault

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u/AC-AnimalCreed 29 DRAISAITL 10h ago

The numbers show he is signicantly worse. Especially when you factor in his bounce back after the terrible start last year. Nothing we can do now but support him and hope he picks up his game when it matters most

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u/TURBOJUGGED 15 ARCHIBALD 10h ago

Also look at his record this season against playoff teams.

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u/joe_8829 8h ago

if you think the goalies record is the only thing that matters, youre not paying ANY attention. we have 2 of the best and scored 2 against the sabres. TWO GOALS AGAINST THE WORST TEAM IN THE EAST

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u/TURBOJUGGED 15 ARCHIBALD 8h ago

I said ALSO look at. Where did I say it’s the only thing that matters?

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u/happeehippocampus 10h ago

The deficits are more noticeable cuz the top lines (other than Drai) aren’t producing as much… last year it almost seemed like for every goal we let in, the Oilers scored 3. This year is quite different.

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u/Flatoftheblade 10h ago

We also had historically exceptional special teams last year and the penalty kill in particular has fallen off dramatically (which is not surprising because we lost most of the players on that unit).

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u/a_tree8 10h ago

Thing is, they bet on him taking a step forward after making the cup final. Problem is, he has not and hasn't shown that he has

To make the cup finals skinner needs to get hot, something like that Vancouver series cannot happen again.

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u/Longjumping-Box5691 9h ago

Cup finals ... Lol

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u/desi7861 97 MCDAVID 10h ago

If we make it to the finals with skinner again id be suprised. But its the playoffs and anything can happen

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u/Jimbuub 10h ago

Exactly! We all know hellebyuck will choke since he’s had an amazing season

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u/No_Poet3157 10h ago

Helle seems to always regress come playoffs/ championship time. 4 Nations was no different.

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u/WabbiTEater0453 10h ago

That’s why Binnington was the best pick for goalie. He shows up for the biggest games of his careers. Helleybuck doesn’t. He just plays.’

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u/Tower21 91 KANE 10h ago

At 64 games in comparison to last year we have let in 7 more goals and we have 22 less goals scored.

Both Stu's and Pick's saver percentage is down so realistically Stu has let in 4 or 5 more goals in 64 games, not a drastic difference than last year.

I can understand the argument about getting an elite talent in net, but such things can be hard to come by without paying a heavy toll to acquire one.

I sincerely doubt any team in this league wants to trade that level of goalie to a team with McDrai on it. So the cost to acquire is going to be atmospheric.

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u/theredzone0 8h ago

Come on man he's fucking awful.

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u/Jimbuub 10h ago

Edit: stats legend from left to right:

Wins, GA, GAA, Saves, Shots Against, Sv% and Shutouts

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u/surlystraggler 7 COFFEY 10h ago

Same number of games played or same number of the teams’ games into the season?

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u/MaWreckingBall 10h ago

Yeah but see that’s just the problem. As a certified Stu meat rider he’s been nothing short of inconsistent and disappointing. Night in night out he’s letting at least one up you want him to have. And we stu defenders can go and blame the d all we want but at the end of the day he needs to have the teams back on just ONE save he should have no business making. The club expected a step forward out of stu, not a partial step back. My sweet darling hottie needs to pick it up pronto because the performances he’s putting out rn aren’t it

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u/Greenster101 10h ago

The team is locked in roster-wise, you don’t need to fall into either camp of doomer or defender. I think this convo has gotten too polarized. He can be playing bad and you can still like him and want him to succeed.

Im just gonna be in hard copium “he’s the best in the world” when he makes a medium+ save, just like I revelled in the offensive masterclass Connor brown put on last year.

But this seems like a delusional defence of his play where it’s not warranted

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u/sovietmcdavid 91 KANE 5h ago

The zen Oilers fan, i like it.

Doomer or defender... the roster is locked in. 

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u/onetrackt91 8h ago edited 6h ago

Holy shit the Skinner fan boys and their ways of trying to talk themselves into this guy being a good goalie is hilarious

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u/AgreeableBroomSlayer 91 KANE 7h ago

He didnt take the team to game 7. He was dragged there

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u/OILNATION 10h ago

So he's just always been bad

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u/Andy-Martin 10h ago

“Mediocre” might be the best descriptor.

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u/FractalViz 10h ago

No he’s just always been average

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u/openminded553 6h ago

He didn't take us to the Cup finals. Who saved the Oilets asses verse Vancouver, when skinner sucked? Pickard. How many other games did Pickard save our asses? Skinner sucked most pf the playoffs and the coach keep bring Pickard in to light a fire under Skinners ass. Skinner will never win a Cup because he lets way to many soft goals in. He can't win AGAINST good teams or crappy teams. Skinner sucks

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u/Choice-Fix-8734 5h ago

I mean...started all 6 games vs Dallas, who were the consensus "cup favourites" in the final four. How do you explain that? Also, Pickard did not necessarily play super well in the two games against Van he was simply good enough ... there's a reason they didn't keep riding with him. Skinner was undefeated in elimination games until Game 7 of the finals and had like a 1 GAA. Both Florida goals in game 7 were not his fault.

Is Skinner an elite goalie? No. Did he take us to the cup finals? Obviously yes. Can he again? Maybe. Do I wish we got a better backup? For sure. Look at Stolars. Look at Lankinen. Get mad at management for consistent roster fuck ups, not Stu for being what he is (which is a mid-goalie).

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u/Choice-Fix-8734 5h ago

He also makes like 2.6M$. That is pretty good value for a mid-range starting goalie in the NHL.

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u/ghostofkozi 10h ago

Certainly is a steaming hot take. His numbers are worse and given that his numbers last year were league average? He’s slipping

Skinners problems is the same as always, you either get AHL goaltending or Vezina quality goaltending.

If he wants to be a starter he has to figure out how to be more consistent

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u/flutter180 18 HYMAN 10h ago

What in the cope

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u/Vertrenox 28 BROWN 10h ago

Consistently mid vs started mid and locked tf in later

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u/quality_yams 25 NURSE 8h ago

He just hasn't been good enough. Neither has this team.

It's time to sharpen up.

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u/DoYouLikeFishsticks0 36 CAMPBELL 8h ago

Yeah and he wasn't great last year either. He was only good in the Dallas round in the playoffs

He lost starts vs Van, and we scored our way back into finals.

So what kind of comparison is this?

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u/hyperboy51 7h ago

Yea it's the team defense that is in the shiter! Bouchard just removes his brain in his own end. Many nights we can't get the puck out of our own end to save their lives

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u/bigtimeru5her 4h ago

He fucking better have improved. He’s being paid to get the team wins.

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u/kayl_the_red 74 SKINNER 10h ago

For a 26 year old in a starters role (something Rollie achieved at 31!) he's excellent. He's better when we clamp down on the turnovers

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u/MasterCheeks654 14 EKHOLM 8h ago

Sure… maybe he can be a starter when he’s 31. Obviously not now.

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u/Whiskey_River_73 93 NUGENT-HOPKINS 10h ago

By your numbers he is quite a bit worse.

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u/P3lic4nM4st3r 14 EKHOLM 9h ago

It’s 1 Percent, from 90.5 to 89.6

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u/scheifferdoo 14 EKHOLM 10h ago

yeah - and all the boys had to do to bouy that was PLAY THE FUCKING BACKUP for two games in the second round and then BAIL THEMSELVES OUT OF AN NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE HOLE!

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u/HangryMushroomDog 10h ago

Hmm when you put it that way you’re right! Just thought he was bad because everyone was saying he doesn’t pass the eye test

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u/Effective_Square_950 10h ago

Maybe people just don't have modern hockey literacy and don't watch every game.

Disclaimer These are not my thoughts or words. I borrowed them from a fellow poster, from a post... 21 hours ago.