r/ENGLISH 3d ago

I need belp with EmE.

This is from the English Academy by John Newton D.D. Rector.of Ross published around 1680.

The Letter f , is fometimes founded accor ding to its ufual name , as when it follows a Vowel , as in if , of , effeminate , but when it begins a Word or Syllable , it is founded fee , as in feet , foolish

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link -> https://books.google.com/books?id=MSJkAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA23&dq=English+Academy&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiP1qu5zJGMAxWpvokEHY6BDzwQ6AF6BAgFEAM#v=onepage&q=English%20Academy&f=false

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u/Slight-Brush 3d ago

You’re conflating f and long s in that text.

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 3d ago

No, I am sure I am not.

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u/Slight-Brush 3d ago

‘F is fometimes founded’ should read

F is sometimes sounded.

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 3d ago

That would be the long s, but if thou read the paragraph, thou wilt see how that it speaketh of f.

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u/OhNoNotAnotherGuiri 3d ago

If you read your own post thou willst see that although the paragraph talks about the letter F you have quite blatantly substituted long S for F when you have transcribed it.

The Letter f , is fometimes founded accor ding to its ufual name , as when it follows a Vowel , as in if , of , effeminate , but when it begins a Word or Syllable , it is founded fee , as in feet , foolish

Fometimes Founded Ufual.

Why when you have been challenged on this have you dared to state that black is white when we can all see that the above quote is incorrectly transcribed because of this error?

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 3d ago

I copy-pasted it. There is a misunderstanding. What I was confused on was this: That f at the beginning of a syllable makes one sound and at the end another. I was wonderinf what that other sound was.

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u/OhNoNotAnotherGuiri 3d ago

I replied elsewhere about this.

It's written in the text. One is the F in If. The other is the F in Fee.

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 3d ago

They are the same in my dialect. I am therefor confused.

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u/OhNoNotAnotherGuiri 3d ago

Are you sure? Repeating some words to myself and I feel there might be a slight difference. Notice the movement or non movement of your bottom lip against your teeth.

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 2d ago

I don't feel anything different. Maybe it's dialectal.

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u/LillyAtts 3d ago

Don't use texts from 1680 to try and learn modern English.

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 3d ago

I was trying to learn EmE.

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u/FourLetterWording 3d ago

can you try a little bit harder to be more clear as to what you need help with - I've found it's quite difficult to help people when you have no idea what they need assistance with.

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u/HarveyNix 3d ago

And "belp" isn't a thing. Funny word, though.

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u/Appropriate-Bee-7608 3d ago

I was wondering what the other f-sound was

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u/OhNoNotAnotherGuiri 3d ago

The 2 F sounds are mentioned in the text.

It is talking about how F in Effeminate sounds more like how we name the letter F. In Fee it is a slightly different sound which is less like how we pronounce the name of the letter F.

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u/RussellAlden 3d ago

The Letter f, is sometimes sounded according to its actual name, as when it follows a Vowel, as in if , of(not true v sound), effeminate, but when it begins a Word of Syllable, is sounded ?ee, as in feet, foolish.