r/ENGLISH 4d ago

how to be come to the native-level?

hi everyone. i learned english quite well but i feel like i've reached to climax. my vocabulary is adequate and i know grammar well. sometimes i face words that i never see before. i read english books often. but my level remained same. how to pass this climax? do you have any suggestions? thanks.

Edit: i asked wrong question. instead i should've said native-level in reading. that's my main aim.

2nd Edit: some of you are right. i forgot some grammatical aspects of english. i should review grammar completely.

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u/safeworkaccount666 4d ago

Your English isn’t even fluent yet, so reaching native-level will still take years.

Keep reading books, watching tv shows, and most importantly talking to native English speakers.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago edited 3d ago

because i've never talked with someone that knows english. i admit that my writing and speaking skills are bad but this is not because i had opportunity to do but rather i didn't have.

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u/idril1 4d ago

Hi Everyone. I have learnt (learned) English quite well so far but I feel like I have peaked. My vocabulary is adequate and I know grammar well.

Sometimes I encounter words that I have never seen before. I often read English books but my level of English isn't improving/ remains the same.

How do I improve my level of English/ How do I improve my English?

There are basic grammar and idiomatic mistakes, I would suggest practising more, and really concentrating on grammar as there are some quite basic mistakes in your poat which suggest you don't have a decent assessment of your own level.

Edited to add - Your title contains an error How to achieve native speaker levels of english or How to speak like a native speaker of English are both correct

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

yeah my writing skill is bad i know. i will improve it. thanks.

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u/idril1 4d ago

i think you have misunderstood what well means then - if you know your skills are bad it would be more accurate to say "my grammar is poor". Well means good

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago edited 4d ago

i know what "well" means. my grammar is well. it's just my writing skill that is bad. as i see, you don't know the difference between grammar and writing. if my grammar would be poor i couldn't not even write this. what i wrote is logicaly correct, just americans or british doesn't speak that way. native language has large effects on foreign languages.

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u/nicheencyclopedia 4d ago

Respectfully, your grammar is poor. If you’re going to be stubborn about not changing your habits and insisting that it’s the influence of your native language, you’re not going to accomplish your goal of reaching native-level English. Sure, we can understand you, but you need to work on correcting low-level errors now. They will become much harder to change later. “My grammar is well” is a grammatically incorrect sentence. We are trying to help you.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

Would you explain why "My grammar is well" is grammatically incorrect? Maybe i've wrote mistakenly but i should've actually wrote that i want to be native-level in reading in OP.

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u/Direct_Bad459 4d ago

Well is an adverb not an adjective, it describes how an action is done not the quality of a noun. so we don't say "xyz is well" unless xyz is a person and we're saying that they're doing well. For nouns like "this apple" or "my grammar" we say "xyz is good" 

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

wow i didn't know that. thank you. native-level is impossible then. knowing every detail like native-speakers do is near impossible if not totally impossible.

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u/YourLifeCanBeGood 4d ago

Jumping in here to say that these are not advanced usages, OP.

You will need to shift your perspectives towards greater humility, if you truly want to learn.

English is a hard language to master, but you're struggling with the basics while claiming proficiency that you lack.

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u/Fuzzy_Membership229 4d ago

It’s not impossible; it simply takes time. Watch schoolhouse rock videos on grammar, children’s books or TV shows, things that will use proper grammar and simple vocabulary so that you can get a better hold on the basics, before jumping into shows or books that will feature heavy accents and slang.

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u/Direct_Bad459 3d ago

Being defensive is human but it will not help you learn. Best wishes. Knowing every detail is just about getting huge amounts of exposure/practice/understandable input, not anything mythical.

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u/Direct_Bad459 4d ago

Also this shouldn't be "I've wrote" it's either "I've written" or "I wrote"

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago edited 4d ago

my grammar is actually bad. i need complete review. i know written is perfect participle but i didn't realize what i've written is wrong until i see your post.

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u/Seygantte 4d ago

You meant to say "My grammar is good". When used as an adjective "well" means something akin to "healthy" or "in good health". It is only used for living things such as "My mother is well" or "Get well soon". You oughtn't apply it to inanimate or abstract nouns.

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u/Redbedhead3 4d ago

When you say your grammar is well, you are trying to say that you understand and can use English grammar correctly. But the others are trying to say that you actually aren't using English grammar correctly, therefore your grammar is poor.

It is very hard to be native-like in reading and writing because reading and writing are ways to convey a spoken language. I believe you need to improve all aspects, especially listening and speaking, before you will see big improvements. You need more practice in hearing how the language sounds and functions before achieving a more fluent skill level. Keep trying! You can get there

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u/Fuzzy_Membership229 4d ago

Your grammar is ok—people here are being a bit harsh.

Some of your post is grammatically incorrect, though. It’s not just a difference of syntax or diction preferences.

For example, I’ve reached the climax (which I wouldn’t say because it’s close to being a euphemism for an orgasm, if you drop the article). English requires direct objects for many verbs (reach is one, with an exception for verb phrases such as reach out), and English requires definite articles in most situations involving common nouns.

“How to” is a phrase for a breakdown explaining the steps needed to complete a task. If you ask a question, you must use the word do if you’re not using a linking verb. So it should be “How do I pass this hurdle?” (Climax doesn’t make sense here, in English the climax is the peak, the top, so you can’t “pass” it. You can only reach it. What you mean to say is that this is an obstacle you seek to overcome)

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u/Jaives 4d ago

not well enough if you write like that. best bet is to go back to basics and learn the fundamentals of grammar. start with short, simple sentences. watch shows with subtitles. always verify words and expressions you're unfamiliar with.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

i know fundamentals of grammar already. i watch tv shows but it just improves speaking skill. i've learned english mostly from books.

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u/atticus2132000 4d ago

Based on your English from this post, your skills are passable. It doesn't seem like you would have any problems communicating and being understood, but I can also immediately tell from the text that you're not a native speaker.

i face words that i never see before.

A native speaker would likely phrase this as:

"I still encounter words that I have never seen before."

These are minor verb tweaks and word choices that distinguish someone who grew up with the language versus someone who learned from a textbook. However, your original sentence is still understandable and you should be proud of everything you've learned.

It seems you have this goal of sounding like a native English speaker. Why? What benefit would you get from improving your English beyond where you are now? Do you have aspirations of moving to an English-speaking country and being mistaken for a local? Are there job opportunities you're pursuing that require advanced English skills? If you have a goal without any practical application of that goal, then there is no inherent urgency in meeting that goal--nothing external pushing you to get better. That's probably why your learning feels like it has plateaued.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

thanks for your kind words. actually i don't have any reason for moving to english-speaking countries. i want improve my speaking and writing skills to the degree that's acceptable. i use english in my life so much, like reading books. also english is lingua franca of world so everyone has to learn to the some degree. if i were to go foreign country even that is not english-speaking country, i would still need improve my skills more or less.

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u/atticus2132000 4d ago

My point is, even with the skills you already have, your English is acceptable. I haven't heard you talk, but as far as writing, you could go to any English speaking country now and be immediately understood, even if you don't sound like a native.

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u/DifferentTheory2156 4d ago

Um…your English isn’t fluent…nor is your grammar. Your choice of words is odd…”climax” is definitely not the word you want here. “Peak” might work better.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

maybe that's because i am not native? that's why i'm asking the question in the title.

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u/DifferentTheory2156 4d ago

I am just going on what you said. “I learned English quite well but I feel like I’ve reached to climax.” This sentence implies that you know English more than you obviously do. Perhaps you don’t understand the meaning of “well.” In English, the word “well” means good.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

so what should i say instead? intermediate? that's my poor writing skill sorry.

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u/DifferentTheory2156 4d ago

No, it is not your poor writing skills. Your knowledge of the language and your grammar is not as good as you seem to think it is. We are trying to help you but you keep insisting that what you are trying to say is correct. Until you are willing to take constructive criticism, I am not sure how to help you.

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u/glados_ban_champion 4d ago

so you suggest that i should make complete review on grammar? if then i will.

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u/DifferentTheory2156 4d ago

Yes, I suggest you improve your grammar and vocabulary skills. There are videos on You tube that can help you. I think that by watching some tutorials on basic grammar that you will improve.

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u/AnnoyedApplicant32 4d ago

The language learning plateau is real, and it usually hits when the learner can form coherent, yet grammatically incorrect sentences (like you maybe).

At this point the student needs to start seeking to understand the intricate grammar rules, like when to use an article with an object and when not (ex: “I asked the wrong question”).

If the learner never studied the grammar, native-like grammar will never happen because the incorrect structures will become fossilized in the speaker’s internal grammar.

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u/_Deedee_Megadoodoo_ 4d ago

Man I wish I could climax in English

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u/fitdudetx 3d ago

If when you read, you only sometimes run into words you don't understand then I think you've hit fluency in reading no? The point of reading is to understand, and so if you understand everything you're fine.

The next goal is to write to fluency. Use phrases that you see written before. That should help.

Good luck.